Are downloads really killing the music industry? Or is it something else?

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Are downloads really killing the music industry? Or is it something else?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/jun/09/games-dvd-music-downloads-piracy



The music industry does like to insist that filesharing - aka illegal downloading - is killing the industry: that every one of the millions of music files downloaded each day counts as a "lost" sale, which if only it could somehow have been prevented would put stunning amounts of money into impoverished artists' hands. And, of course, music industry bosses' wallets. But we won't mention that.

Take the story that appeared in this paper last week:

At least 7 million people in Britain use illegal downloads, costing the economy billions of pounds and thousands of jobs, according to a report.

Shared content on one network was worth about £12bn a year according to the research commissioned by the Strategic Advisory Board for Intellectual Property.

David Lammy, minister for intellectual property, said: "Illegal downloading robs our economy of millions of pounds every year and seriously damages business and innovation throughout the UK. "It is something that needs tackling, and we are serious about doing so."


Well, up to a point, minister. Ben Goldacre took apart the rather dodgy calculations behind the claims on Saturday.

But it left me wondering. Why does the music industry persist in saying that every download is a lost sale? If you even think about it, it can't be true. People - even downloaders - only have a finite amount of money. In times gone by, sure, they would have been buying vinyl albums. But if you stopped them downloading, would they troop out to the shops and buy those songs?

I don't think so. I suspect they're doing something different. I think they're spending the money on something else.

What else, I mused, might they be buying? Hmm... young.. like the entertainment industry... ah, how about computer games and DVDs? Thus began a hunt for the figures for UK sales of games and of DVDs and of music to see if there was any consistent relationship between them. And since this was about filesharing, it seemed sensible to analyse it since 1999 - when Napster started and blew up the CD business model.

(It's surprising how hard it was to find these statistics. You'd think someone like ELSPA, the European Leisure Software Publishers' Association, would have them. Nope: instead initially I had to track them via press releases. The BPI, representing British record labels, said that it didn't have numbers going back before 2004, which seemed a bit 1984-ish to me; it turns out the BPI doesn't like to release those figures because it changed the methodology for recording sales in 2004, effectively reducing the number. At least DVD data are easily obtained from the British Video Association and the UK Film Council. Thank you.)

The first clue of where all those downloaders are really spending their money came in searching for games statistics: year after year ELSPA had hailed "a record year". In fact if you look at the graph above, you'll see that games spend has risen dramatically - from £1.18bn in 1999 to £4.03bn in 2008.

Meanwhile music spending (allowing for that * of adjustment in 2004 onwards) has gone from £1.94bn to £1.31bn.

DVD sales and rentals, meanwhile, have nearly doubled, from a total of £1.286bn in 1999 to £2.56bn in 2008.

If we assume that there's roughly the same amount of discretionary spending available (which, even allowing for the credit bubble, should be roughly true; most of the credit went into houses), then it's clear who the culprit is: the games industry. By 2009, the amount spent in games and music is almost exactly the same as 1999 (though note that the music industry changed its methods from 2004).

Yes, downloaders aren't spending money on the music industry, and in that way they are hurting it. But I'd argue that the true volume of "lost" sales is nowhere near the claims made. Assume that music couldn't be copied (as many games can't). I don't think that the volume of music sales would equate to all those downloads. At best, it would be £600m larger.

But the reality is that nowadays, one can choose between a game costing £40 that will last weeks, or a £10 CD with two great tracks and eight dud ones. I think a lot of people are choosing the game - and downloading the two tracks. That's real discretion in spending. It's hurting the music industry, sure. But let's not cloud the argument with false claims about downloads.
 
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blowing someone's head off in all its pixelated glory in one of the fabulous new FPS games or listening to shawty in the club, candy paint on dubs 20x in a row...

I think i'll go with the blowing off of the head in all its pixelated glory... and dl shawty in the club for free
 
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what killed tha music industry is record executives just throwin together whatever clone they could find of tha hot rapper at the time and spending millions of dollars tryin to make a quicc bucc instead of finding artists that actually give a shit about their craft and take time to make a "great album" instead of just making a "hot song"......
 
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its not JUST downloading. the music industry, like all media nowadays, is oversaturated with content that makes it impossible for just a FEW people to divy up the pie. major labels that once held a monopoly on music are now competing head to head with tennage myspace bands and indie lablels. same goes for newspapers, film companies, etc.

So the internet has changed media, but in less direct ways that just enabling free downloads...
 
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I lean more on the fact that for years and years we paid close to $25 a cd (in the 90's).

As times changed the music changed too. It began to really suck, or we buy a disc and like 1 to 2 songs period. That's where the downloading came in.....just keep the songs you like and save yourself $20 plus dollars.

Now, we can purchase a brand new / new release Cd for the low, low price of $9.99, BUT!!!!! if you want the bonus tracks you have to go to iTunes (or where ever) to purchase them. Which eliminates the "cheap deal". Plus if you want the ringtones etc etc.....it's gonna cost you, so the company's are still hustling the consumer.

Just like DVD's, they release a movie and 2-3 months later they come out with the 2 Disc deluxe edition / added scenes (9 outta 10, it's a scene that made no big difference) whatever whatever.....

I think I speak for a lot of people when I say: Everytime people download, it's the attitude where the people are saying, "This is for all the years I over paid you, so consider this paid in advance."

The reality and sad part about it is, the artist has no fault for the industry's faulty business. Yet, the artist today is now paying back the consumer for the industry's debt.
 
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i know a lot of people that download shit before they buy it just to see if its dope.....and if it is they go buy it.....i know i do....Problem is nobody is puttin out dope music anymore....

someone should ask Eminem how he feels about the state of tha musicc industry....he put out a dope disc and his sales arent low by any means.....

so obviously if people would put out good music people will still buy it....but thats a big IF with all the Soulja Boy's and Lil Wayne's running around this mutha fucca
 

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promotional copies of albums = 'leaked' album

media duplication and advanced copies killed the music industry. if mp3s didnt exist id burn a cd from the homie or something.

that was going on with cassettes already.

i didnt buy ready to die, i dubbed it

you mighta bought it, i dubbed it
thats no different than years later when i downloaded it

only difference is i can download, or have my album quicker than dubbing let me do

i actually somewhat know the solution to the music industry but they aint payin my ass so..fuck them

i download 90 percent of my music and the other 10 percent is local independent rap that i pay for hand to hand

if mcdonalds was free through the backdoor i wouldnt go to the front either
 

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its the shit the industry spews out of its mouth, not the downloads. Plus dime a dozen rappers that say the same old shit or come out and try and be new with a gimmick.

I will just download and get shit for free unless is a classic.

dvd rentals, nobody wants a scratched dvd fucking up their dvd player
 
Apr 16, 2003
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In these times of economic hardships i'd rather pay 0 dollars a month for unlimited music.
True, but shit I'd rather pay a few bucks not to have my door kicked in and fined. Not to mention you are putting a little at least back into the artists pocket. Also you dont have to dl the music. I stream the majority while on my computer to my stereo system which makes for a great jukebox since I have millions of songs at my fingertips.

I used to be a huge music down loader, but that shit ain't worth it anymore.
 

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I'm telling all you monkey asses. Get Zune Pass or Rhapsody. Pay $15 a month for unlimited music!
why the fuck would you pay 15 dollars a month for unlimited music when unlimited music is free?

the way i see it, i pay my cable/wireless bill monthly for unlimited music..

edit: oh somenoe already said that

lol no ones kickin your door down for music dude..hahaha

you probably live next to 4 parolees a child rapist and a cokehead and youre worrying about going to jail for dls ha
 
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why the fuck would you pay 15 dollars a month for unlimited music when unlimited music is free?

the way i see it, i pay my cable/wireless bill monthly for unlimited music..

edit: oh somenoe already said that

lol no ones kickin your door down for music dude..hahaha
Are people not getting fined or sued? That's some shit I can't afford to happen regardless.