Any Atheists? And why?
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As societies became more connected and centralized under a single metropolitan city the evolution of dieties came with.
As people's lives became more connected they didn't require as many specialized gods so the fewer dieties left developed to have greater responsibilites. You see the movement from multiple gods, down to three, then down to one.
And it became more efficient. If you're making bread for your family and it doesn't turn out right do you really want to pray to the god of the harth, the god of the wheat, etc to make your next batch turn out good?
If a heavy majority of the world believed it existed and have believed it for how long they claim time and humans have existed, and I prayed to it and my prayers came true, then yes, call me a Sixxplopolious follower.
There is just no proof that can be made, other than the individuals faith and experiences. As a satanist (which I may be mistaken, but I do believe you study it) you should not believe anything other than your own experiences in your life only. So what it comes down to, is you proving to yourself, not others proving to you.
The thing is, followers do have a clue what God is. As well as you having a clue of God is supposed to be, or the concept of it in a whole. You just want stronger evidence, which is respectable. I just can't think of any fact that could come out making ALL people say "there is a GOD". Anything that happens, science will continue to try and explain it, and if it cannot be explained they will just come up with theories and the possibility of it being a spiritual intervention is not even on the list of things to consider. Therefore, I seriosly believe that no "solid proof" will ever come about.
You shouldn't force yourself to believe in anything. Studying different God's wouldnt do anything for me. It all comes down to what the individual believes (as I am sure you can relate to being a Marxist in regards of a religion). What is there to study? Books are just the authors opinion. When it comes to religion, it is you that finds it, no text studying will do anything to bring you closer to believing.
An Atheist, Satanist, or any other belief system can influence a follower of God because the claims are so realistic and make sense in modern life and survival. The vice-versa cannot be done. Everything that a religious person says, is complete nonsense to an Atheist, Satanist, etc. So all I am saying, is that no one (nor anyting) will ever prove anything to a non-believer, they have to prove it to themsevles.
There is just no proof that can be made, other than the individuals faith and experiences. As a satanist (which I may be mistaken, but I do believe you study it) you should not believe anything other than your own experiences in your life only. So what it comes down to, is you proving to yourself, not others proving to you.
The thing is, followers do have a clue what God is. As well as you having a clue of God is supposed to be, or the concept of it in a whole. You just want stronger evidence, which is respectable. I just can't think of any fact that could come out making ALL people say "there is a GOD". Anything that happens, science will continue to try and explain it, and if it cannot be explained they will just come up with theories and the possibility of it being a spiritual intervention is not even on the list of things to consider. Therefore, I seriosly believe that no "solid proof" will ever come about.
You shouldn't force yourself to believe in anything. Studying different God's wouldnt do anything for me. It all comes down to what the individual believes (as I am sure you can relate to being a Marxist in regards of a religion). What is there to study? Books are just the authors opinion. When it comes to religion, it is you that finds it, no text studying will do anything to bring you closer to believing.
An Atheist, Satanist, or any other belief system can influence a follower of God because the claims are so realistic and make sense in modern life and survival. The vice-versa cannot be done. Everything that a religious person says, is complete nonsense to an Atheist, Satanist, etc. So all I am saying, is that no one (nor anyting) will ever prove anything to a non-believer, they have to prove it to themsevles.
To me, Religion is like Santa Claus. I believed in him while I was younger and it was shoved down my throat by my family and society. But, when it came time to really rationalize what's really true, it's easy for me to see that we're on our own in this earth. So people need to quit living a fantasy life and come to reality. People are either just ignorant and happy about it, or too scared to admit it. But on the other hand, Religion makes some people good too. I know I have uncles and shit that would probably be alcoholics and just become low lifes if it wasn't for religion. It is a tool that people can use to help them out in life, but that's it. I think most people know it's all bull shit.
Good post Coldblooded. I had trouble putting my thoughts into words, which you were able to do for me. Thanks.
1). Just because the majority of humans believe in something does make it true.
Think 'the earth is flat.'
2). A belief that has lasted for a long time (such as the belief in Jesus (2000 years)) does not make something true.
Think all previous religions prior to Christianity. Did they too not last hundreds, if not thousands of years?
3). Personally I do not believe your prayers come true, but I suppose this is besides the point since neither you nor I can prove or disprove these claims. If you don't mind, out of my own curiosity, please share with us some personal examples of prayer coming true.
Then no logical thinker will ever be a believer. Faith is the opposite of logic and reason. Faith is to believe in something without, or in spite of reason.
I am not, nor have I ever been a Satanist. I have never studied Satanism, I know very little about it.
NOTE: You may be mistaken because my brother is a Satanist and I have brought this up before in the past. I defended Satanism because a lot of people have many misconceptions regarding it and I merely pointed out where and why they were wrong, but I never endorsed it or claimed to follow the philosophy.
If that is true than why do you believe in your god? You speak of your experiences but who told you about him? Who introduced your god into your life?
And my argument is not one rational thinker in the world can honestly prove to themselves in the existence of a god without lying or tricking (or forcing) themselves into the belief. It's like when I knew Santa Claus was a lie. I continued to believe because I wanted to believe, even though deep inside I knew it was not possible.
Please explain to me what god is. Also, if you can, please provide examples on how you have obtained the knowledge of god.
I somewhat understand the concept, but I have no knowledge of what this god actually is, and I'm willing to bet that you will not be able to explain to me what exactly god is.
Not stronger, the SLIGHTEST bit of evidence. Give me something; a tiny shred of evidence would be good enough.
Of course science doesn't consider spiritual intervention because no one even knows what that means! Scientists may try to prove spiritual intervention, but unfortunately for them, so far there is nothing to test.
Thus making the argument of why it is irrational to belief in god.
Comparing Marxism to religion is just silly. Marxism, in its most basic definition is the study of economic philosophy based on the work of Karl Marx. Religion on the other hand is a belief concerning the supernatural, something I remind you again has no real meaning or definition…cannot be proven, no evidence, etc. Marxism is based on logic of what already exists; religion is based on irrational thought, faith, etc.
Don't understand the question. We study science, medicine, physics, mathematics, etc. etc. etc. Fields that can actually produce something. The study of religion cannot produce anything.
Then I don't understand how one believes in the first place. If reading religious text doesn't bring you closer to believing, what does? Your parents? Word of mouth? One day you woke up and said, “Gee, I’m going to believe in God for now on!”
Just to verify – Atheism is NOT a belief system. Atheism is a lack of a belief.
Personally, I've brought a number of people away from religion by pointing out the flaws and holes, as well as introduced them to rational thought. Atheism does not claim anything; an Atheist simply rejects an irrational thought.
Question: How does the belief in god make sense in modern life and survival? What purpose does the belief in god serve, other than possibly making a warm fuzzy feeling inside of someone when the think they are going to a better place when they die? If anything, that's called false hope and is negative on society (we should work to make life on earth a better place, not suffer and wait for death).
As I mentioned before, religion is only a reflex of the real world. Or it is "a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself."
Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions. - Karl Marx
As Marx pointed out, religion is like opium or painkiller for the people in the suffering world. If we had peace on earth, we probably would not have religion, at least not nearly as much.
This is why the poorer you go into Amerika, the more religious the people get. This is true for most of the rest of the world- venture deep into poverty and you’ll find the most ‘holy of holy men.’
Because it is complete nonsense. Offer me one shred of evidence. Just one.
This is not true. If god came down and intervened, I would believe. If Jesus came back to earth, I would believe. If I had some sort of sign or proof of the supernatural, I would likely believe. If something unnatural occurred, like my keyboard started flying in front of my eyes, I would believe in the supernatural.
1). Just because the majority of humans believe in something does make it true.
Think 'the earth is flat.'
2). A belief that has lasted for a long time (such as the belief in Jesus (2000 years)) does not make something true.
Think all previous religions prior to Christianity. Did they too not last hundreds, if not thousands of years?
3). Personally I do not believe your prayers come true, but I suppose this is besides the point since neither you nor I can prove or disprove these claims. If you don't mind, out of my own curiosity, please share with us some personal examples of prayer coming true.
Then no logical thinker will ever be a believer. Faith is the opposite of logic and reason. Faith is to believe in something without, or in spite of reason.
I am not, nor have I ever been a Satanist. I have never studied Satanism, I know very little about it.
NOTE: You may be mistaken because my brother is a Satanist and I have brought this up before in the past. I defended Satanism because a lot of people have many misconceptions regarding it and I merely pointed out where and why they were wrong, but I never endorsed it or claimed to follow the philosophy.
If that is true than why do you believe in your god? You speak of your experiences but who told you about him? Who introduced your god into your life?
And my argument is not one rational thinker in the world can honestly prove to themselves in the existence of a god without lying or tricking (or forcing) themselves into the belief. It's like when I knew Santa Claus was a lie. I continued to believe because I wanted to believe, even though deep inside I knew it was not possible.
Please explain to me what god is. Also, if you can, please provide examples on how you have obtained the knowledge of god.
I somewhat understand the concept, but I have no knowledge of what this god actually is, and I'm willing to bet that you will not be able to explain to me what exactly god is.
Not stronger, the SLIGHTEST bit of evidence. Give me something; a tiny shred of evidence would be good enough.
Of course science doesn't consider spiritual intervention because no one even knows what that means! Scientists may try to prove spiritual intervention, but unfortunately for them, so far there is nothing to test.
Thus making the argument of why it is irrational to belief in god.
Comparing Marxism to religion is just silly. Marxism, in its most basic definition is the study of economic philosophy based on the work of Karl Marx. Religion on the other hand is a belief concerning the supernatural, something I remind you again has no real meaning or definition…cannot be proven, no evidence, etc. Marxism is based on logic of what already exists; religion is based on irrational thought, faith, etc.
Don't understand the question. We study science, medicine, physics, mathematics, etc. etc. etc. Fields that can actually produce something. The study of religion cannot produce anything.
Then I don't understand how one believes in the first place. If reading religious text doesn't bring you closer to believing, what does? Your parents? Word of mouth? One day you woke up and said, “Gee, I’m going to believe in God for now on!”
Just to verify – Atheism is NOT a belief system. Atheism is a lack of a belief.
Personally, I've brought a number of people away from religion by pointing out the flaws and holes, as well as introduced them to rational thought. Atheism does not claim anything; an Atheist simply rejects an irrational thought.
Question: How does the belief in god make sense in modern life and survival? What purpose does the belief in god serve, other than possibly making a warm fuzzy feeling inside of someone when the think they are going to a better place when they die? If anything, that's called false hope and is negative on society (we should work to make life on earth a better place, not suffer and wait for death).
As I mentioned before, religion is only a reflex of the real world. Or it is "a symptom of the disease, not the disease itself."
Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions. - Karl Marx
As Marx pointed out, religion is like opium or painkiller for the people in the suffering world. If we had peace on earth, we probably would not have religion, at least not nearly as much.
This is why the poorer you go into Amerika, the more religious the people get. This is true for most of the rest of the world- venture deep into poverty and you’ll find the most ‘holy of holy men.’
Because it is complete nonsense. Offer me one shred of evidence. Just one.
This is not true. If god came down and intervened, I would believe. If Jesus came back to earth, I would believe. If I had some sort of sign or proof of the supernatural, I would likely believe. If something unnatural occurred, like my keyboard started flying in front of my eyes, I would believe in the supernatural.
Reasons I am not an Athests.
1. I know all the answers in the world have not been discovered through Science. Anyone here just watch any tv program on a scientific topic and I am sure you will here, "we belive" or we "asume" plus of course you will hear theories. Also how many times have scientific "truths" been changed because some scientist has came up with a new theory. Science does not have a monopoly on human knowledge and existence, nor will it.
I would rather go to the woods and commune with nature then read about it in a book and read dry useless informations about trees and birds. Emotions and feelings cannot be placed into a microscope. Science fails to find the orgin of these feelings all of us as humans experience.
2. I do feel that there is a reason to "evil" in life. I feel that God and Satan are working together. Although I dont fully understand it, I do belive that life could not exist unless there was evil in it. So when the huricanne hit New Orleans, God just sat back and watched.
I belive in re-incarnation, so my opinion is that God compensates all of those who die in lets say a huricane is by giving them a new life. Better or worse then the one they left, based upon karma.
1. I know all the answers in the world have not been discovered through Science. Anyone here just watch any tv program on a scientific topic and I am sure you will here, "we belive" or we "asume" plus of course you will hear theories. Also how many times have scientific "truths" been changed because some scientist has came up with a new theory. Science does not have a monopoly on human knowledge and existence, nor will it.
I would rather go to the woods and commune with nature then read about it in a book and read dry useless informations about trees and birds. Emotions and feelings cannot be placed into a microscope. Science fails to find the orgin of these feelings all of us as humans experience.
2. I do feel that there is a reason to "evil" in life. I feel that God and Satan are working together. Although I dont fully understand it, I do belive that life could not exist unless there was evil in it. So when the huricanne hit New Orleans, God just sat back and watched.
I belive in re-incarnation, so my opinion is that God compensates all of those who die in lets say a huricane is by giving them a new life. Better or worse then the one they left, based upon karma.
Defining yourself is stupid and pointless no one cares what you think you are. Isn't that the point of faith trying to get people to recognize your inherently good nature. "I set myself apart by accepting what I am told to accept. Im safe in society, I can lay claim to eternity." The truth is useless to a person who cant understand why the truth is true. "I mean science hasn't been able to _____________(insert statement)" If you dont understand that science is not a thing it is a process and it isn't interested in answering your ?'s its only interest is continuing to progress then you dont understand the value of science and should probably ask god to get rid of it.
Science is only a small part of human logic. It cannot, and will not ever be able to explain more than its fair portion of any topic. Thats where spirituality fills the gaps that most people have in defining their reality. I see an open minded person as having access to both spectrums and interchangeably using the cumulative knowledge of both to formulate concepts. 2-0 you seem too logical, which in itself is illogical in my opinion. Hardly different than relying on a bible and prayer to make "wishes" come true.
I'm sorry, I didn't answer my question. Why am I an atheist? Because I feel that there wasn't a divine force that created me or my world. I feel that the fact that I exist (and the rest of humanity) is a result of random chance. Certain things in the natural environment occurred and allowed for the existence of the human species and after thousands of years we developed the concept of God to comfort us, give us hope, and ease our pain. In essence, this concept is a result of our desire to believe that life has purpose and meaning. It's all man made, but we don't want to admit to this, since this would conclude that life is hopeless and meaningless.
Keep hope alive.
Keep hope alive.
Agreed, but some people will only put faith into what is immediately tangible. Is that not understandable as well?
Now heres the reason I had to reply... having basic bio-physiology knowledge you would know that emotions and feelings are actually very simple functions of the hypothalamus region of the cranium. Serotonin, Dopamine, Adrenaline are just a few of the chemicals that i can name off the top of my head that cause different emotions and feelings. It's other functions of the mind that are less explainable.
Now heres the reason I had to reply... having basic bio-physiology knowledge you would know that emotions and feelings are actually very simple functions of the hypothalamus region of the cranium. Serotonin, Dopamine, Adrenaline are just a few of the chemicals that i can name off the top of my head that cause different emotions and feelings. It's other functions of the mind that are less explainable.
You see, this is where you are wrong... even if there is no god or afterlife, there'd still be purpose in life.
One purpose, would definately be deflowering the most Christian girls as possible.
I value organized religion, because it usually keeps stupid people from doing horrendous things. Sure, many people do horrible things in the name of religion, but I could only imagine how many more rapes/murders/public displays of defecation there would be if people didn't have 'god' spanking them mentally all the time.
To everyone who believes in god, I praise you... please, take your guilt very seriously as I'm sure you'd be a worse person with out it. To those who don't believe in god, do you believe in sending me money for no reason at all? If you do, send $20.00 to [email protected] via PayPal for no reason whatsoever. For all Christian believers, please send $20.00 to [email protected] and all your prayers will be answered A.S.A.P.
One purpose, would definately be deflowering the most Christian girls as possible.
I value organized religion, because it usually keeps stupid people from doing horrendous things. Sure, many people do horrible things in the name of religion, but I could only imagine how many more rapes/murders/public displays of defecation there would be if people didn't have 'god' spanking them mentally all the time.
To everyone who believes in god, I praise you... please, take your guilt very seriously as I'm sure you'd be a worse person with out it. To those who don't believe in god, do you believe in sending me money for no reason at all? If you do, send $20.00 to [email protected] via PayPal for no reason whatsoever. For all Christian believers, please send $20.00 to [email protected] and all your prayers will be answered A.S.A.P.
^^ haha Awesome shirt.
It wasn't that I wanted to not believe. I actually really tried. I had faith for awhile. But it was like believing that one day, when you threw the rock into the air, it was not going to fall. And over and over it kept falling back down. I was raised Christian by very Christian parents. My mother is attempting to become an ordained minister. I used to think there was just something wrong with me and god didn't want to talk to me.
It wasn't that I wanted to not believe. I actually really tried. I had faith for awhile. But it was like believing that one day, when you threw the rock into the air, it was not going to fall. And over and over it kept falling back down. I was raised Christian by very Christian parents. My mother is attempting to become an ordained minister. I used to think there was just something wrong with me and god didn't want to talk to me.
@KrypticFlowz,
Did you see my previous response to you? If so, please define "spirtuality."
My response in case you missed it:
"I don’t understand the question.
According to dictionary.com, spiritual means:
spir•i•tu•al (sp r -ch - l)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
Under these definitions I have absolutely no “spiritual knowledge.” I do not believe in souls, gods, spirits, or the supernatural. I am a materialist - Everything that actually exists is material, or physical, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, all can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena."
Like what?
Again, until you define spirtuality, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Did you see my previous response to you? If so, please define "spirtuality."
My response in case you missed it:
"I don’t understand the question.
According to dictionary.com, spiritual means:
spir•i•tu•al (sp r -ch - l)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
Under these definitions I have absolutely no “spiritual knowledge.” I do not believe in souls, gods, spirits, or the supernatural. I am a materialist - Everything that actually exists is material, or physical, including thought, feeling, mind, and will, all can be explained in terms of matter and physical phenomena."
Like what?
Again, until you define spirtuality, I have no idea what you're talking about.
@206
Let's keep it simple, so we arent influenced by other relgious beliefs (God is mighty, Reincarnation, etc.)
Atheist and Agnostic
Something (the universe, humans, trees, matter of any sort. etc.) cannot come out of nothing. Scientifically, that is proven.
SOMETHING created this, and that is God in a nutshell (forget about sins, commandments, etc.). A creator, nothing more nor less, which still exists today.
Can that be accepted by an Athiest or are we still on the big bang and big crunch theory?
Let's keep it simple, so we arent influenced by other relgious beliefs (God is mighty, Reincarnation, etc.)
Atheist and Agnostic
Something (the universe, humans, trees, matter of any sort. etc.) cannot come out of nothing. Scientifically, that is proven.
SOMETHING created this, and that is God in a nutshell (forget about sins, commandments, etc.). A creator, nothing more nor less, which still exists today.
Can that be accepted by an Athiest or are we still on the big bang and big crunch theory?
Wow, that was a weak ass response. I’m sorry I wasted my time responding to you.
But I will answer your questions even though you didn’t answer mine.
If this is true then the universe has always existed.
If this is true and you believe in god, then something must have created god and something created that and so on and so forth.
Simple logic.
You can’t say something cannot come out of nothing, suggest a creator is responsible and then not suggest something created it. That, comrade, is what we refer to as being illogical.
If something can't come from nothing, then the very fact that there is something means that there couldn't have once been nothing.
Absolutely not, since I have shown your reply as being illogical.
But I will answer your questions even though you didn’t answer mine.
If this is true then the universe has always existed.
If this is true and you believe in god, then something must have created god and something created that and so on and so forth.
Simple logic.
You can’t say something cannot come out of nothing, suggest a creator is responsible and then not suggest something created it. That, comrade, is what we refer to as being illogical.
If something can't come from nothing, then the very fact that there is something means that there couldn't have once been nothing.
Absolutely not, since I have shown your reply as being illogical.