Antonio Margarito vs. Sugar Shane Mosley
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@ 714 .. in a big show like that how hard is it to see the action? Is it worth it getting the cheaper seats? I've only gone to MS/NO fights and none and big arenas and I've always wanted to go to something like that. Was just wondering if it was worth it.
.. and Mosley was extremely impressive. Excellent performance by him and got a stoppage over a guy a lot of people considered to have a brick chin, with good reason. I downloaded the Korobov fight but haven't peeped it out yet. Dude looked impressive last time I saw him on the JCC Jr undercard in, I think, his debut. It's not a big file so if anyone wants me to throw it up let me know.
EDIT: Also fuck Margarito for plastering his gloves. I've always respected fighters that made there way through the ranks of boxing when they didn't have great promotion/backing at the beginning of their careers. Shit is disgusting.
.. and Mosley was extremely impressive. Excellent performance by him and got a stoppage over a guy a lot of people considered to have a brick chin, with good reason. I downloaded the Korobov fight but haven't peeped it out yet. Dude looked impressive last time I saw him on the JCC Jr undercard in, I think, his debut. It's not a big file so if anyone wants me to throw it up let me know.
EDIT: Also fuck Margarito for plastering his gloves. I've always respected fighters that made there way through the ranks of boxing when they didn't have great promotion/backing at the beginning of their careers. Shit is disgusting.
For boxing events like that, ya better seats really do matter.
I've had seats way in the back at the MGM before, and you try to justify it with "eh, these aren't that bad, I can still see, etc." and you can see much better on the jumbo tron. When I have good seats, like this time around I don't even look at the big screen. Huge difference in my opinion.
The only case where it is worse is in a UFC event. I've had really close seats at a couple UFC events, and you can't see a damn thing because you are pretty much looking through a fence. The best seats at a cage match are 2 levels up, since you are looking down inside the cage.
I have 20/20 vision and I still can't see punches bieng thrown or landed at the MGM in the cheap seats. I just see two bodies moving around and go off the crowds reaction. It's definately worth the extra money to sit closer...
I've had seats way in the back at the MGM before, and you try to justify it with "eh, these aren't that bad, I can still see, etc." and you can see much better on the jumbo tron. When I have good seats, like this time around I don't even look at the big screen. Huge difference in my opinion.
The only case where it is worse is in a UFC event. I've had really close seats at a couple UFC events, and you can't see a damn thing because you are pretty much looking through a fence. The best seats at a cage match are 2 levels up, since you are looking down inside the cage.
I have 20/20 vision and I still can't see punches bieng thrown or landed at the MGM in the cheap seats. I just see two bodies moving around and go off the crowds reaction. It's definately worth the extra money to sit closer...
WOW, definitely not lookin good for Margarito. smh I hope his ass gets suspended for at least one year, his trainer even more.
Naazim Calls Doctored Gloves "Deliberate"! READ!
The trainer for Shane Mosley on Monday said two blocks of a plaster-like substance discovered in Antonio Margarito's gloves before their welterweight championship fight Saturday night at the Staples Center was a "deliberate" act that deserves a thorough investigation.
"It was deliberate, but on whose part? I don't know," said Naazim Richardson, who worked Mosley's corner and was the one who discovered two blocks of hardened gauze wrapped around the knuckles of Margarito's fists. "For all I know the corner could have been wrapping it that way for all of his fights, and Margarito could have been just as surprised as anybody that it was wrong."
The California State Athletic Commission confirmed on Monday it has sent "two samples" to its offices in Sacramento to be examined. "We are investigating, but I'm not authorized to say any more," said Dean Lohuis, chief inspector of the CSAC, who worked the fight won by Mosley on a ninth-round technical knockout.
Here's what happened. The controversy began when Richardson was in Margarito's dressing room to witness the wrapping of his hands. One hand already had been wrapped and approved by the CSAC before Richardson's arrival.
In the process of wrapping the other hand, Richardson questioned the amount of tape going directly on Margarito's skin, and asked for a rewrapping. During the rewrapping, it got to a point where a cushion was placed across Margarito's knuckles. But when Richardson asked if he could "feel" the cushion that's when the Margarito camp began to protest.
Margarito's co-manager Francisco Espinoza was the most defiant telling Richardson, "I expected this from you," to which Richardson said: "You should expect me to do my job."
Over protests from the Margarito camp, Richardson was allowed to feel the cushion. "It was brick hard," said Richardson, who told the Lohuis to feel it himself. Once Lohuis felt the cushion he ordered that it be "opened up," Richardson said.
"When he opened it up, a little square block of old wet gauze packed real tight came out," Richardson said. "It was like it had plaster on it. I think it had an old dried up blood stain on it."
Richardson asked Margarito's previously wrapped hand be inspected as well, and another hard block of gauze was found in that wrapping. According to witnesses, a doctor for the Mosley camp inspected the two blocks of hardened gauze and said, "This is what we use in the hospital to make casts."
Both samples were given to Mosley's lawyer Judd Burstein, who said they felt like "plaster of Paris." He then gave them to Lohuis with the assurance they would be secured it such a way they wouldn't be tampered with. "It looked to me like the kind of thing that if the fight went on when (Margarito's) hands got sweaty and it would harden so it would feel like a cast," Burstein said.
Richardson said the blocks of hardened gauze had been packed and treated in such as way that it could make Margarito's punches feel like bricks especially in later rounds. "As you fight the natural cushion in the gloves wear down," Richardson said, "so by the later rounds you're basically getting hit with that plaster in there. That kind of stuff is ridiculous."
Margarito and his handlers face possible suspensions and fines if they are found to have deliberately broken rules. Margarito's co-manager Sergio Diaz was not in his office on Monday and he didn't return a message left by the Post. A spokesman for Top Rank Inc., Margarito's promoter, said the issue is between the trainer, Javier Capetillo, and the CSAC. "We'll see what happens," the spokesman said.
Margarito's hands were wrapped a third time and approved for the fight, which Mosley dominated en route to the surprising victory. Margarito was coming off a career-defining win over Miguel Cotto last July were Margarito's thunderous punches battered Cotto into an 11th round TKO. Don't expect the Margarito camp to confess how the fighter's hands were wrapped for that bout.
"I can only imagine what Cotto is thinking now," Burstein said. "I've never seen somebody not working out sweating as badly as the guy who was wrapping Margarito's hands when this was going on. It was like they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar."
Richardson has served as a long-time trainer to Bernard Hopkins and raised a similar issue before Hopkins' fight with Tito Trinidad 2001 at the Garden. Richardson objected when Felix Trinidad Sr. was wrapping Tito's hands with layers of gauze, then layers of tape, then more gauze and tape, etc., which was against rules of the New York State Athletic Commission.
"I've been through this before," Richardson said. "I don't want to tarnish nobody's image. Margarito might not have known what was going on because he wasn't really objecting to being rewrapped. But somebody did it."
Richardson isn't sure how the fight would have been affected had the blocks of hardened gauze not been discovered. "I don't think anybody would have beaten Shane Mosley that night," he said. "But with that plaster in there, it might have made it a little rougher."
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/willis/archives/2009/01/naazim_calls_do.html
Naazim Calls Doctored Gloves "Deliberate"! READ!
The trainer for Shane Mosley on Monday said two blocks of a plaster-like substance discovered in Antonio Margarito's gloves before their welterweight championship fight Saturday night at the Staples Center was a "deliberate" act that deserves a thorough investigation.
"It was deliberate, but on whose part? I don't know," said Naazim Richardson, who worked Mosley's corner and was the one who discovered two blocks of hardened gauze wrapped around the knuckles of Margarito's fists. "For all I know the corner could have been wrapping it that way for all of his fights, and Margarito could have been just as surprised as anybody that it was wrong."
The California State Athletic Commission confirmed on Monday it has sent "two samples" to its offices in Sacramento to be examined. "We are investigating, but I'm not authorized to say any more," said Dean Lohuis, chief inspector of the CSAC, who worked the fight won by Mosley on a ninth-round technical knockout.
Here's what happened. The controversy began when Richardson was in Margarito's dressing room to witness the wrapping of his hands. One hand already had been wrapped and approved by the CSAC before Richardson's arrival.
In the process of wrapping the other hand, Richardson questioned the amount of tape going directly on Margarito's skin, and asked for a rewrapping. During the rewrapping, it got to a point where a cushion was placed across Margarito's knuckles. But when Richardson asked if he could "feel" the cushion that's when the Margarito camp began to protest.
Margarito's co-manager Francisco Espinoza was the most defiant telling Richardson, "I expected this from you," to which Richardson said: "You should expect me to do my job."
Over protests from the Margarito camp, Richardson was allowed to feel the cushion. "It was brick hard," said Richardson, who told the Lohuis to feel it himself. Once Lohuis felt the cushion he ordered that it be "opened up," Richardson said.
"When he opened it up, a little square block of old wet gauze packed real tight came out," Richardson said. "It was like it had plaster on it. I think it had an old dried up blood stain on it."
Richardson asked Margarito's previously wrapped hand be inspected as well, and another hard block of gauze was found in that wrapping. According to witnesses, a doctor for the Mosley camp inspected the two blocks of hardened gauze and said, "This is what we use in the hospital to make casts."
Both samples were given to Mosley's lawyer Judd Burstein, who said they felt like "plaster of Paris." He then gave them to Lohuis with the assurance they would be secured it such a way they wouldn't be tampered with. "It looked to me like the kind of thing that if the fight went on when (Margarito's) hands got sweaty and it would harden so it would feel like a cast," Burstein said.
Richardson said the blocks of hardened gauze had been packed and treated in such as way that it could make Margarito's punches feel like bricks especially in later rounds. "As you fight the natural cushion in the gloves wear down," Richardson said, "so by the later rounds you're basically getting hit with that plaster in there. That kind of stuff is ridiculous."
Margarito and his handlers face possible suspensions and fines if they are found to have deliberately broken rules. Margarito's co-manager Sergio Diaz was not in his office on Monday and he didn't return a message left by the Post. A spokesman for Top Rank Inc., Margarito's promoter, said the issue is between the trainer, Javier Capetillo, and the CSAC. "We'll see what happens," the spokesman said.
Margarito's hands were wrapped a third time and approved for the fight, which Mosley dominated en route to the surprising victory. Margarito was coming off a career-defining win over Miguel Cotto last July were Margarito's thunderous punches battered Cotto into an 11th round TKO. Don't expect the Margarito camp to confess how the fighter's hands were wrapped for that bout.
"I can only imagine what Cotto is thinking now," Burstein said. "I've never seen somebody not working out sweating as badly as the guy who was wrapping Margarito's hands when this was going on. It was like they got caught with their hands in the cookie jar."
Richardson has served as a long-time trainer to Bernard Hopkins and raised a similar issue before Hopkins' fight with Tito Trinidad 2001 at the Garden. Richardson objected when Felix Trinidad Sr. was wrapping Tito's hands with layers of gauze, then layers of tape, then more gauze and tape, etc., which was against rules of the New York State Athletic Commission.
"I've been through this before," Richardson said. "I don't want to tarnish nobody's image. Margarito might not have known what was going on because he wasn't really objecting to being rewrapped. But somebody did it."
Richardson isn't sure how the fight would have been affected had the blocks of hardened gauze not been discovered. "I don't think anybody would have beaten Shane Mosley that night," he said. "But with that plaster in there, it might have made it a little rougher."
http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/willis/archives/2009/01/naazim_calls_do.html
Well I guess that explains why Cotto got all busted up. As the fight went on, Cotto couldn't take Margarito's punches. It was like that fool Margarito had a cast in his gloves and as the fight goes on the gloves padding wears off.... they should take away Margarito's victory over Cotto because that was Margarito's last fight so of course he wrapped his hands like that.
This is getting a lot of coverage now. ESPN Sportscenter just told the story that they are investigating the alleged illegal hand wraps and an announcement of the findings will be made soon (sometime today or later this week?). They said they will have an interview with Margarito on Sportscenter today at 3pm pacific time. stay tuned!
The California Commission has promised “prompt” results the investigation into the pads from the handwraps confiscated from Antonio Margarito prior to his loss to Shane Mosley. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer decribed the material removed to the LA Times as “a white pad with a substance that was a grayish, concrete color on it” and added “…you wonder now how many times he did it before.”
damn, it's really not looking good. Margarito is screwed. They were saying Kermit Cintron contacted The California Commission as well to stay informed and I suppose possibly investigate his losses to margarito if anything illegal has been found.
I know this does not PROVE anything, but this photo was posted on a boxing website. It's two pictures of Margarito's hand wraps after beating Miguel Cotto. Interesting to note that the color is not white, it's a grayish color which is the same as described by Richard Schaefar and Nazim Richardson. They also look hard as a rock but that's pretty hard to tell from a picture
I know this does not PROVE anything, but this photo was posted on a boxing website. It's two pictures of Margarito's hand wraps after beating Miguel Cotto. Interesting to note that the color is not white, it's a grayish color which is the same as described by Richard Schaefar and Nazim Richardson. They also look hard as a rock but that's pretty hard to tell from a picture
interesting. got this from other site. not my translation.
Javier Capetillo (margarito's trainer) Talks About The Wraps Issue
It's in spanish.
(excerpt about the wraps)
Con respecto al controversial tema de los vendajes de Margarito, Capetillo le restó importancia al asunto. Dijo que "cuando Tony entrena siempre lo hace con unos cojinetes que son de la misma gasa. Se planchan, se mojan, entonces quedan aplanados. Es algo válido en el boxeo". Reiteró que Margarito no perdió por esa razón, " perdió por que se vio débil y le falló el aguante " reiteró.
"with respect to the hand wrap controversy. when tony trains, he uses the same wraps and gauze. you iron the gauze, they get wet, etc. it's something valid in boxing. i reiterate, margarito did not lose because of this, he lost because he seemed weak and couldn't take the punches"
that's basically what it said. if anyone's spanish is better and can better translate it, be my guest.
Javier Capetillo (margarito's trainer) Talks About The Wraps Issue
It's in spanish.
(excerpt about the wraps)
Con respecto al controversial tema de los vendajes de Margarito, Capetillo le restó importancia al asunto. Dijo que "cuando Tony entrena siempre lo hace con unos cojinetes que son de la misma gasa. Se planchan, se mojan, entonces quedan aplanados. Es algo válido en el boxeo". Reiteró que Margarito no perdió por esa razón, " perdió por que se vio débil y le falló el aguante " reiteró.
"with respect to the hand wrap controversy. when tony trains, he uses the same wraps and gauze. you iron the gauze, they get wet, etc. it's something valid in boxing. i reiterate, margarito did not lose because of this, he lost because he seemed weak and couldn't take the punches"
that's basically what it said. if anyone's spanish is better and can better translate it, be my guest.
Man, I really like Tony too. But really, I think they'll have a hard time proving anything because of the fact that the plaster material was found before the fight, and not after.
As far as the previous fights, good luck with that Cintron & Cotto, they'll have a tough time proving anything from pictures alone.
As far as the previous fights, good luck with that Cintron & Cotto, they'll have a tough time proving anything from pictures alone.
Yeah, I know. I'm not saying it was right, which it obviously wasn't. I'm just saying that there is a bit of a gray area in this case because technically, he didn't use those plaster things.
They were found before the fight.
But if he was knowingly cheating, then he deserves whatever is coming to him, for sure.
They were found before the fight.
But if he was knowingly cheating, then he deserves whatever is coming to him, for sure.