^^i aint gonna lie i hated this place when i first moved from the south bay, but fresno/madera startin to grow on me, no heavy ass traffic, cheaper living etc. Thats why alotta these valley cities are startin to grow, Fresno already bigger than Long Beach and even Sac cause even fools from so cal are moving up here cause they cant afford to live in the bay or la. Give it 15-20 years businesses will start to set up shop in the whole central valley, and it aint gonna just be the bay or la/dago anymore taking up the recognition of when people think of Cali.