Al Davis press conference is on NFL Network live...
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Huh. Where to start?
First off, let me say that I'm 25 years old. I've been a football fan (NFL) for probably...20 years, at least. And I've been a Raiders fan that entire time. I don't have any interest in being a Cowboy, Niner, Patriot, Charger, Bronco, etc...I'm PROUD to be a Raiders fan. I have jerseys, t-shirts, posters, flags, signs, sports cards, autographs, hats, golf bags, watches, tattoos...all of the Raiders. Period. I've followed my team through the ups and downs. More downs than ups, of course, but that doesn't matter. I could have hopped on the Bills or Redskins bandwagon, or on the Niners or Cowboys bandwagon...maybe Green Bay or Denver...St. Louis or New England, maybe? LOL nope, not happening. I happen to LOVE my team, and I'll root for them whether they're champions or losers. I'm still a Raider; that should prove it. LOL
These new booty faggots who like the Raiders for the cool colors, or the cool logo, or because of some gang tie, or because their friend likes them, or because they could get a Rich Gannon jersey for $19.99 at Sears, are 100% WACK. We don't want them. You do not speak for us. Your opinion isn't welcome. We don't care what you have to say. Just die, baby.
The Raiders, at one point, were one of the most successful franchises in the history of professional, American football. They were a proud, storied organization that people respected and envied. 3 Super Bowl rings, numerous hall of famers, pro bowlers, MVP's, record holders, etc. Being a Raider used to mean something.
Those times are long, long gone. We've been bottom feeders for years now. The SB trip vs. Tampa Bay doesn't even bring back any good memories, because we were utterly destroyed by that team, and by our former coach. John Gruden joins a long list of coaches who were thrown out of the organization by AL DAVIS, and found great success elsewhere, often at our expense. Think of Norv Turner dominating us while at San Diego. Think of Mike Shanahan's success against us in Denver. We might as well call him 'dad'...and that's no joke.
Al Davis did great, great things for this team, his team, during the 60's-80's. But we cannot live in the past forever. "We have 3 rings!" Great. The last came when I was a baby. Again...I'm 25. We need to move to the FUTURE, while focusing also on the present. We can't do that with a lack of stability at key spots in the organization, such as at head coach. Was Lane Kiffen the answer? I don't know, but I know he wasn't the problem. If you think he was the problem, then you must also blame Al. Kiffen, Shell, Calahan, Turner, Shanahan, etc. were all the problems. Al hired them all. If he has such a horrible track record at hiring coaches...why keep doing it? Every dog has it's day, true, but Al's an old, tired dog, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I cannot take Al Davis' side of the story as fact because he's lied to us before. He's tried to get out of paying coaches, players, personnel, etc. in the past. He has had his hand in play calling for years and years, yet when something's not going right, his answer is to fire the coach. Or if that coach wants some control of his team, such as bring in ''his'' players and staff, Al won't allow it. New England does. Pittsburgh does. Denver does. Dallas does. The rest of the NFL does. They're doing just fine...and we're not. You can take credit for success, but own up to your share in failure.
Al Davis made a point of saying that Lane Kiffen didn't want to draft Jamarcus Russell. "He's a great player", says Al. Really? I'm still waiting to see that. I like Jamarcus, but if we hadn't had to draft Michael Huff, we might be sitting with...Jay Cutler, instead of letting him light us up for 10 years or so. Drafting Jamarcus was risky; anyone with their head on straight would second guess drafting him. I hope he pans out, but that attempt at trying to get fans to turn on Lane for not wanting to draft the kid was pathetic. His acting was so obvious, you couldn't help but get a foul taste in your mouth watching him sit up there and deflect blame. It's all Lane's fault. Right, Al. Just like it was Art, Norv, Mike, Bill, etc., huh?
The Oakland Raiders belong to Al Davis. His money, his team. Fine. I can understand that. And what person wouldn't want say in their business? I would. But after 20+ years of mediocre seasons, would you not want what's best for your team? The best thing for MY team would be for Al to relinquish some control, hire a GM, let a head coach bring in his staff and players, with input from the organization (including, but not solely up to Al), and begin rebuilding this team. Other teams rebuild, we trip over our own feet and roll back down the hill.
In closing, I'd like to send a big LOL to the people who have suddenly seen the light, and welcomed Jesus Davis into their hearts and lives, because they've suddenly been enlightened as to the terror that the dark force that is Kiffen has wrought upon the black hole.
Yeah, right.
Stability and consistancy = change, which = success.
First off, let me say that I'm 25 years old. I've been a football fan (NFL) for probably...20 years, at least. And I've been a Raiders fan that entire time. I don't have any interest in being a Cowboy, Niner, Patriot, Charger, Bronco, etc...I'm PROUD to be a Raiders fan. I have jerseys, t-shirts, posters, flags, signs, sports cards, autographs, hats, golf bags, watches, tattoos...all of the Raiders. Period. I've followed my team through the ups and downs. More downs than ups, of course, but that doesn't matter. I could have hopped on the Bills or Redskins bandwagon, or on the Niners or Cowboys bandwagon...maybe Green Bay or Denver...St. Louis or New England, maybe? LOL nope, not happening. I happen to LOVE my team, and I'll root for them whether they're champions or losers. I'm still a Raider; that should prove it. LOL
These new booty faggots who like the Raiders for the cool colors, or the cool logo, or because of some gang tie, or because their friend likes them, or because they could get a Rich Gannon jersey for $19.99 at Sears, are 100% WACK. We don't want them. You do not speak for us. Your opinion isn't welcome. We don't care what you have to say. Just die, baby.
The Raiders, at one point, were one of the most successful franchises in the history of professional, American football. They were a proud, storied organization that people respected and envied. 3 Super Bowl rings, numerous hall of famers, pro bowlers, MVP's, record holders, etc. Being a Raider used to mean something.
Those times are long, long gone. We've been bottom feeders for years now. The SB trip vs. Tampa Bay doesn't even bring back any good memories, because we were utterly destroyed by that team, and by our former coach. John Gruden joins a long list of coaches who were thrown out of the organization by AL DAVIS, and found great success elsewhere, often at our expense. Think of Norv Turner dominating us while at San Diego. Think of Mike Shanahan's success against us in Denver. We might as well call him 'dad'...and that's no joke.
Al Davis did great, great things for this team, his team, during the 60's-80's. But we cannot live in the past forever. "We have 3 rings!" Great. The last came when I was a baby. Again...I'm 25. We need to move to the FUTURE, while focusing also on the present. We can't do that with a lack of stability at key spots in the organization, such as at head coach. Was Lane Kiffen the answer? I don't know, but I know he wasn't the problem. If you think he was the problem, then you must also blame Al. Kiffen, Shell, Calahan, Turner, Shanahan, etc. were all the problems. Al hired them all. If he has such a horrible track record at hiring coaches...why keep doing it? Every dog has it's day, true, but Al's an old, tired dog, and you can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I cannot take Al Davis' side of the story as fact because he's lied to us before. He's tried to get out of paying coaches, players, personnel, etc. in the past. He has had his hand in play calling for years and years, yet when something's not going right, his answer is to fire the coach. Or if that coach wants some control of his team, such as bring in ''his'' players and staff, Al won't allow it. New England does. Pittsburgh does. Denver does. Dallas does. The rest of the NFL does. They're doing just fine...and we're not. You can take credit for success, but own up to your share in failure.
Al Davis made a point of saying that Lane Kiffen didn't want to draft Jamarcus Russell. "He's a great player", says Al. Really? I'm still waiting to see that. I like Jamarcus, but if we hadn't had to draft Michael Huff, we might be sitting with...Jay Cutler, instead of letting him light us up for 10 years or so. Drafting Jamarcus was risky; anyone with their head on straight would second guess drafting him. I hope he pans out, but that attempt at trying to get fans to turn on Lane for not wanting to draft the kid was pathetic. His acting was so obvious, you couldn't help but get a foul taste in your mouth watching him sit up there and deflect blame. It's all Lane's fault. Right, Al. Just like it was Art, Norv, Mike, Bill, etc., huh?
The Oakland Raiders belong to Al Davis. His money, his team. Fine. I can understand that. And what person wouldn't want say in their business? I would. But after 20+ years of mediocre seasons, would you not want what's best for your team? The best thing for MY team would be for Al to relinquish some control, hire a GM, let a head coach bring in his staff and players, with input from the organization (including, but not solely up to Al), and begin rebuilding this team. Other teams rebuild, we trip over our own feet and roll back down the hill.
In closing, I'd like to send a big LOL to the people who have suddenly seen the light, and welcomed Jesus Davis into their hearts and lives, because they've suddenly been enlightened as to the terror that the dark force that is Kiffen has wrought upon the black hole.
Yeah, right.
Stability and consistancy = change, which = success.
Raiders fans on Al's side all of a sudden... read this shit... soak it in...
seriously... print it out... keep it in your back pocket... put it in up your fridge...
that sums up how I feel and basically how the rest of the Raider Nation should feel
I'm not believing half the shit that Al is telling us fans... do you guys think this coaching change is gonna be different than most of the other changes he's made
Kiffin might have ben the best coach we've picked up since John Gruden... now we gotta hope we can find someone else
I really hope I'm wrong... I hope Cable turns out to be a great coach... I hope we start winning a bunch of games this season and I have to come on siccness and say I was wrong... and al you Al supporters can say I told you say... I hope we can all call Tony a genius when the Raiders finish up the season 12-4 or 11-5 and end up in the Super Bowl
but I really think Hell is gonna freeze over before that happens this season... or honestly... before that happens while Al is still breathing... cause I guarantee even when his ass is laying in a hospital bed hooked up to all kinds of machines he'll still be watching games from his hospital bed... getting on the phone and firing coaches... making personnel decisions... and all that
I love that he has the passion for the game... but he's just not making the right choices anymore
Look people... the Raiders have been bad for 5 seasons now... Kiffin has only been around for 1 of those seasons... and a few games of another one...
so who's fault was it all those other years???? You can't blame Kiffin for that
Was it just a coincidence that the team got better when Kiffin came on???
People say Kiffin was a cancer... the only reason he was a cancer is because Al made him that way....
Kiffin... like SMART Raiders fans... realized that Al was not making good decisions... he wanted the team to JUST WIN BABY!!! so he tried to add in his 2 cents...
that's what we needed... something fresh... a good young coach with a great football mind to shake things in the organization... unfortunately we're going back to our old ways now and we'll be stuck their until Al is gone
Get ready for another long season Raider Nation
Tom Cable had this team coming around thanks to our improved run blocking. That's why he's our head coach right now...
I believe what Al told the RaiderNation.... we couldn't win with this Kiffin cat. You all act like Kiffin is the next coming of Mike Shannahan or Jon Gruden, what has Kiffin done that makes you all "think" he was that good of a head coach?
Al saw that Kiffin was blowing games with his bad time managing skills, like he did in Buffalo. When L.T. got that long as run on us, Al said that was Kiffin's call to have 5 DB's on the field. Quit blaming Al so much, he's not perfect and no other owner in the NFL is perfect. He's trying to make the Raiders a better team. Mistakes happen, give Al a break. All this pity for Kiffin is sad, don't bite the hand that feeds you, period!
Now that Tom Cable is our head coach watch what's going to happen with our offense. Just when I gave Kiffin a little credit for opening up the playbook, we find out he split the play calling duties. So that Russell to Miller TD probably wasn't even Kiffin's call. Screw Kiffin, and good riddance! We have a qb with a strong arm... get the ball down the field! Kiffin coached the Raiders like he was still coaching Lienart back at USC.
I believe what Al told the RaiderNation.... we couldn't win with this Kiffin cat. You all act like Kiffin is the next coming of Mike Shannahan or Jon Gruden, what has Kiffin done that makes you all "think" he was that good of a head coach?
Al saw that Kiffin was blowing games with his bad time managing skills, like he did in Buffalo. When L.T. got that long as run on us, Al said that was Kiffin's call to have 5 DB's on the field. Quit blaming Al so much, he's not perfect and no other owner in the NFL is perfect. He's trying to make the Raiders a better team. Mistakes happen, give Al a break. All this pity for Kiffin is sad, don't bite the hand that feeds you, period!
Now that Tom Cable is our head coach watch what's going to happen with our offense. Just when I gave Kiffin a little credit for opening up the playbook, we find out he split the play calling duties. So that Russell to Miller TD probably wasn't even Kiffin's call. Screw Kiffin, and good riddance! We have a qb with a strong arm... get the ball down the field! Kiffin coached the Raiders like he was still coaching Lienart back at USC.
so lets see gruden had them going in right direction had them winning but wanted more control..GONE
kiffen had them going in right direction, wanted more control.....GONE
All other coaches in bewteeen couldn't even get in right direction...GONE
Common denominator TONY??? AL DAVIS!
Why can all the real die hard og raider fans on here see this? why can all the other nfl fans on here see this, but you can't Tony? They have been through this before, we all have, Al has done this plenty of times before, and as long as he is alive and in control he will do it again.....AND by stiffing yet another coach of pay from his contract how do you think that looks to other headcoaches to be in figuring if they wil lwork under Al or not?
come on Tony open your eyes!
Hey y'all I am calling it like I see it. Most Raider fans on here believe it's Al Davis' fault but I don't believe it's his fault. He gave Kiffin the opportunity and he blew it. Didn't Al say that was Kiffin's call to run a Cover 2 defense against the Broncos? It was Kiffin airing out dirty laundry to the media painting this bad picture of Al Davis. Al addressed all of the lies put out by Kiffin and now I am hearing Kiffin has canceled his press conference? Hmmmmmm???? Is someone punking out because they got owned by Al? I don't want to hear about Kiffin's case being the reason because he doesn't have to answer certain questions if he doesn't want to.
@thascary1, a lot of "O.G." Raiders fans believe Al!
@thascary1, a lot of "O.G." Raiders fans believe Al!
hahahahaha at both points! Al is been bad mouthed way before Kiffin came in, so uhh next try?
take a poll here...or better yet read theese very boards...most diehards DO NOT back Al anymore. Sure they thank him and what not for all his hard work in the past (which I do as well, because without him I wouldn't have the Broncos to be a fan of) but this past decade has seen numerous fans jump off board and no longer back him tooth and nail like they used to.
take a poll here...or better yet read theese very boards...most diehards DO NOT back Al anymore. Sure they thank him and what not for all his hard work in the past (which I do as well, because without him I wouldn't have the Broncos to be a fan of) but this past decade has seen numerous fans jump off board and no longer back him tooth and nail like they used to.
TONY YOU DONT GET IT BRO SCARY AND RED ARE SPEAKIN ABSOLUTE TRUTH IVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE RAIDER NATION SINCE 87 SINCE I WAS 5 ..21 YEARS BRO ..THEY AINT LYING AL IS BAD FOR THE TEAM. BACK IN THE 60'S 70'S HE WAS THE MAN NOW HE JUST DOESNT HAVE IT TOGETHER AND ONLY HAS HIMSELF TO BLAME..THE CONFERENCE WAS PITIFUL. BUT GO RAIDERS..I WISH THE BEST FOR COACH CABLE....
I hear you Ecose... But I don't think the conference was pitiful. I think Al was just being real and clearing up the lies that Kiffin put out in the media.
I am not saying Al hasn't made bad decisions in the past (with Shanahan, Gruden, re-hiring Art Shell who then hired Tom "bed in breakfast offense" Walsh) but Al has owned up to making them bad decisions. I also wish the best for Tom Cable. I think we're going to be a better team now to tell you the truth. We'll see what happens dog!
I am not saying Al hasn't made bad decisions in the past (with Shanahan, Gruden, re-hiring Art Shell who then hired Tom "bed in breakfast offense" Walsh) but Al has owned up to making them bad decisions. I also wish the best for Tom Cable. I think we're going to be a better team now to tell you the truth. We'll see what happens dog!
i think al was lying..but whatever lets win a few damn games.. i cant stay mad at al but i will question what he does like i have since he brought us back to oakland and fired shell the first time. after he did that i figured dude is a a control freak like my uncles and pops have been saying since i was a child....
I think he was more of a control freak when he was younger but I think now that he's gotten older he probably has lightened up and let his coaches do the coaching. I think the perception has stuck with Al for a long time and fans just can't let go. I could be wrong though but I believe now that he's older he's lightened up.
i honestly really do feel sorry for them. It's like a no win situation, they can stay supporting the team which in no time soon will get better, or change teams and have people call them bandwagon fans.
Like 3vid3nc3 said in a post earlier, he wil lsupport them but no spend money on tix, gear etc.....you gotta feel for that because as a fan of a team yo uwant to do that stuff, but he's right in not doing so.
Like 3vid3nc3 said in a post earlier, he wil lsupport them but no spend money on tix, gear etc.....you gotta feel for that because as a fan of a team yo uwant to do that stuff, but he's right in not doing so.