After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

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When I say "improve the gene pool", I don't mean that in the sense of creating a new superior race as you may have taken, I only mean it in the sense of eradicating certain diseases that people should not be suffering from. That's something a bit different.
Human genetic engineering will eradicate disease and other imperfections as we advance further. It will inevitably be the way of the future. In the meantime I have no problem with disposing of these newborns in extreme cases. Seems more cruel to keep them alive.
 
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Human genetic engineering will eradicate disease
It could also make us more susceptible to disease.

and other imperfections as we advance further.
Define "imperfection".

It will inevitably be the way of the future. In the meantime I have no problem with disposing of these newborns in extreme cases. Seems more cruel to keep them alive.
Define "extreme case".

What happens if some else says they define "extreme case" by skin color because it's easier to white in the US than it is to be black?
 

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It could also make us more susceptible to disease.



Define "imperfection".



Define "extreme case".

What happens if some else says they define "extreme case" by skin color because it's easier to white in the US than it is to be black?
Do yuo seriously think that if a society has advanced enough to agree that infanticide and euthanasia are perfectly normal things in totally hopeless cases, it would still be so backward that it would consider people of certain skin color lesser human beings?
 
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It could also make us more susceptible to disease.
sure, in the beginning.



Define "imperfection".
disease obviously down to such things as baldness. again these questions will be answered by societies using this technology.



Define "extreme case".
some of the pictures ThaG posted are examples. I'm not here to argue where to draw the line, that would be up to whatever societies decide.

What happens if some else says they define "extreme case" by skin color because it's easier to white in the US than it is to be black?
things like this will happen. if parents for example want a boy who will be 6'4 with blond hair and blue eyes they will have that option, for a price I'm sure. there will be pluses and minuses, good and bad, like all technology. but I'm not here to argue the morality of it all I'm saying its inevitable, it will come. in the long run, hundreds of years from now we will have evolved our species to be very different from what we are today. society as well will be nothing like it is now.
 

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things like this will happen. if parents for example want a boy who will be 6'4 with blond hair and blue eyes they will have that option, for a price I'm sure. there will be pluses and minuses, good and bad, like all technology. but I'm not here to argue the morality of it all I'm saying its inevitable, it will come. in the long run, hundreds of years from now we will have evolved our species to be very different from what we are today. society as well will be nothing like it is now.
Of course, that's only going to happen if technological civilization has not self-destroyed by then
 
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I think we are forgetting about the person actually giving birth here...the emotional attachment a mother has to their children is a bond NONE of use can fathom. Imagine giving birth to your child, and then having it destroyed. I cant even imagine the horror i would suffer going through that. Its one thing when its a fetus, it isn't seen by the mother, and she didn't just go through all that labor getting it out.

There are a lot of variables that go into this...not just the final outcome. Human emotion is the strongest driving force behind our actions, whether we want to admit it or not. Its easy for us to sit here, as men, to say "meh, just kill it". Its another thing, as a future father, to be there when your child is born and have it taken away from you immediately, not matter how many imperfections it may have.
 

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WHAT IF I WANTED A SON WITH BLUE SKIN, THAT WAS LIKE 4 FOOT TALL WITH LIKE SIZE 17 FEET,A SIX FOOT LONG WEINER, PURPLE HAIR, AND ORANGE EYES?

THAT BE FUCKIN COOL...

IT BE FUCKED UP FOR THE KID...BUT LIKE ALOT PARENTS...I'D BE HAVING THIS KID FOR MY OWN REASONS
 

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I think we are forgetting about the person actually giving birth here...the emotional attachment a mother has to their children is a bond NONE of use can fathom. Imagine giving birth to your child, and then having it destroyed. I cant even imagine the horror i would suffer going through that. Its one thing when its a fetus, it isn't seen by the mother, and she didn't just go through all that labor getting it out.

There are a lot of variables that go into this...not just the final outcome. Human emotion is the strongest driving force behind our actions, whether we want to admit it or not. Its easy for us to sit here, as men, to say "meh, just kill it". Its another thing, as a future father, to be there when your child is born and have it taken away from you immediately, not matter how many imperfections it may have.
That's why we should not be letting things get that far and pregancies should be terminated on time. It's not as if people learn that they're pregannt moments before they give birth.

However, prenatal screening is not perfect yet, so women who have such kids and yet insist on raising them need to grow up a little bit
 
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That's why we should be letting things get that far and pregancies should be terminated on time. It's not as if people learn that they're pregannt moments before they give birth.

However, prenatal screening is not perfect yet, so women who have such kids and yet insist on raising them need to grow up a little bit

So raising your "defective child" is a sign of immaturity??


Yea, that's not contradicting.
 
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This thread reminds me of the movie Galactica

Where we will be become people who don't allow "imperfect" people to have certain jobs, live a certain lifestyle, etc......

But we think allowing an imperfect child live is cruel
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This thread reminds me of the movie Galactica

Where we will be become people who don't allow "imperfect" people to have certain jobs, live a certain lifestyle, etc......

But we think allowing an imperfect child live is cruel
:confused:
Don't you mean the movie Gattaca?

If that's the case, I have to point out that that movie is a blatant misrepresentation of the issues involved here. By getting on that rocket, the guy actually jeopardized the success of the mission - the reasons he was not allowed to fly are perfectly legitimate, considerable societal resource goes into such missions, you want the healthiest people possible to fly them. There isn't anything wrong with that, just basic risk assessment logic.
 

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So raising your "defective child" is a sign of immaturity??

Yea, that's not contradicting.
Not being able to accept that such a thing is better for yourself, for society as a whole and even for the child itself is definitely a sign in immaturity. There are very powerful biological instincts that weigh the decisions making process in the direction of raising it. But being able to overcome our animal instincts with rational thinking is precisely what maturity is.
 

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But the in the movie he had something his perfectly built brother didn't.....

courage and a heart

you can't create that in people
"Courage and heart" will do nothing to help you when you get a heart attack in space. You get heart attack due to chemical properties of bioorganic molecules and the laws of physics. No amount of willpower can overcome that.

Do not get me wrong - the kind of everyday social discrimination they had in the movie was unjustified. But not allowing people with elevated health risks to fly in space is the right thing to do.
 
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Not being able to accept that such a thing is better for yourself, for society as a whole and even for the child itself is definitely a sign in immaturity. There are very powerful biological instincts that weigh the decisions making process in the direction of raising it. But being able to overcome our animal instincts with rational thinking is precisely what maturity is.
Last time i checked, taking on ANY kind of responsibility is the furthest thing from immature. But hey, maybe you have a different definition than the rest of us.
 
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Don't you mean the movie Gattaca?

If that's the case, I have to point out that that movie is a blatant misrepresentation of the issues involved here. By getting on that rocket, the guy actually jeopardized the success of the mission - the reasons he was not allowed to fly are perfectly legitimate, considerable societal resource goes into such missions, you want the healthiest people possible to fly them. There isn't anything wrong with that, just basic risk assessment logic.
It may be a misrepresentation of what you are trying to get at, but it is where the world will eventually go if humans begin to go down the path you want.