Abortions

[Kavie]

I'm pretty sure that this has been posted in this forum before, but I wanted to get some fresh thoughts/feedback on this.

I was at work a couple of days ago and a couple of my co-workers and I somehow got on the subject of abortions. Mind you that most of us (including myslef) are between the age of 17-21. My point of view was that I don't believe in abortions unless that it's a threat to the mother or the child's life. I've felt this was for a long time and now that I have a daughter of my own I could never even imagine thinking the other way.

One of the chicks involved in the conversation brought up the fact that if you are not financially able to take care of the child that it is alright to get an abortion. My point of view on that was to put the child up for adoption of find someone close to you that is willing to take care of the child for you.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

[PyKillaman]

Kavie my nigga u already kno my situation wit all these bitches nigga if abortions weren't able nigga I have 2 and a half kids nigga and all 4m diffrent bitches and nigga lets not say the bitches I aint talked 2 n a while that proabably had an abortion cuz the bitch was a rip so I'm wit abortions nigga I aint ready n these condom makers aint making em good enough 4 them 2 not break so yaddi I need abortions n I'm a ungsta wit no common sense so blame it on this U BITCH

 

[cartoon]

What if a women was raped? You still dont think its okay?

 

[Kavie]

That's was also something that came up in the conversation, but I forgot to put it in the post. But that's something that I'm kinda on the borderline about because even though she was raped and that's still taking a life and that's one of the reasons that I'm against it. But that is another good situation to take into consideration when talking about abortions.

 

[bigbreaded]

IM ALL FOR ABORTIONS, THINK OF THE KID, LET ME ASK YAW....WHAT IF THE FATHER OF THE BABY WASN'T GOING TO BE AROUND?. WOULD YOU WANT THE KID TO LIVE A LIFE WITHOUT KNOWING WHO HIS DAD IS?. GROWING UP ALL FUCC'D UP N SHIT, NO MALE ROLE MODEL, FATHER FIGURE FOR GUIDANCE, I'D RADTHER DIE THEN LIVE MY WHOLE LIFE NOT KNOWING WHO MY OLD MAN WAS.

 

[Kavie]

IM ALL FOR ABORTIONS, THINK OF THE KID, LET ME ASK YAW....WHAT IF THE FATHER OF THE BABY WASN'T GOING TO BE AROUND?. WOULD YOU WANT THE KID TO LIVE A LIFE WITHOUT KNOWING WHO HIS DAD IS?. GROWING UP ALL FUCC'D UP N SHIT, NO MALE ROLE MODEL, FATHER FIGURE FOR GUIDANCE, I'D RADTHER DIE THEN LIVE MY WHOLE LIFE NOT KNOWING WHO MY OLD MAN WAS.

I can understand that, but you can still have a real good father figure without you"father" being around. If he was that much of a bitch to not wanna be around then I'd say fuck him and leave my life without him. With me, I grew up most of my life (the years that mattered) without my mother, and that could be just as bad depending on the person. So I don't think that only havoing one parent in your life is a garuantee that you turn out fucked up later on in like, but it does happen.

 

[Mr. Samos]

Kavie I'm with you 100% on that topic.

 

[Mr. Samos]

I can understand that, but you can still have a real good father figure without you "father" being around.

Amen.

 

[Mr. Samos]

IM ALL FOR ABORTIONS, THINK OF THE KID, LET ME ASK YAW....WHAT IF THE FATHER OF THE BABY WASN'T GOING TO BE AROUND?. WOULD YOU WANT THE KID TO LIVE A LIFE WITHOUT KNOWING WHO HIS DAD IS?. GROWING UP ALL FUCC'D UP N SHIT, NO MALE ROLE MODEL, FATHER FIGURE FOR GUIDANCE, I'D RADTHER DIE THEN LIVE MY WHOLE LIFE NOT KNOWING WHO MY OLD MAN WAS.

That's so deviated from reality it's not even funny. Wouldn't you agree?

WHAT IF THE FATHER OF THE BABY WASN'T GOING TO BE AROUND?. WOULD YOU WANT THE KID TO LIVE A LIFE WITHOUT KNOWING WHO HIS DAD IS?

It happens everyday, that's just life.

I'D RADTHER DIE THEN LIVE MY WHOLE LIFE NOT KNOWING WHO MY OLD MAN WAS.

Knowing your Dad now and having a relationship with him; completely changes your outlook. However when you are born and you grow up not knowing who your father is, your perspective is a lot different, you mature with it and accept it. Especially if you have a "Father" figure in your life, such as a close grand father, or an Uncle or whoever it is. Sure it's NEVER the same, but as far as following the right path, these people may be able to guide you in that way.

You don't take a newborns life because his/her "Dad" isn't around. That's just wrong, that to me is a sin. I think all life diserves a chance.

I grew up without my father around and I turned out fine. However I do have a "Father" figure in my life. If a child is loved and feels loved and wanted then that child will be fine.

 

[bigbreaded]

^^ YOU WERE JUST ONE OF THE LUC-KEE ONES WHO HAD SOME TYPE OF FATHER FIGURE AROUND, WHAT ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO DON'T GOT ONE AROUND? 8 OUT 10 PEOPLE I KNOW GROWIN' UP IN A SINGLE HOME IS MESSED UP ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. BRINGING IN A FATHERLESS CHILD INTO THIS WORLD AIN'T NO DIFFERENT THEN BRINGING IN A HANDICAP PERSON, ATLEAST THE HANDI-CAP PERSON KNOWS WHAT'S WRONG WITH EM, THEY MIGHT NOT TALK RIGHT OR WHATEVA, BUT THE CHILD YOU BRINGING IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT A FATHER IS LOVE/EMOTIONAL/GUIDANCE HANDICAP.

BUT THEN AGAIN YOU GOT FOLKS WHO WERE RAISED BY BOTH PARENTS AND ARE STILL FUCC'D UP IN THE END...SAMO'S U FEEL ME.

 

[Kavie]

^^ YOU WERE JUST ONE OF THE LUC-KEE ONES WHO HAD SOME TYPE OF FATHER FIGURE AROUND, WHAT ABOUT THE FOLKS WHO DON'T GOT ONE AROUND?

But taking the child's life before it even gets to chance to possibly have the father figure is even more fucked up then not having one, at least he/she had a chance at life...

 

[WHITE DEVIL]

The real issue is...

When is it a person and when is it a fetus?

 

[Dirty Shoez]

S.L.R....Safe, Legal, Rare.

Strange position for such a vehement Conservative to hold, but thats how I feel. Eliminate all the dumb shit like "I can't afford him/her" (Yes, You can), and "I'm just not ready" (So the baby dies because your credit rating is too low?).....save it for the people who either, 1) really need it, or 2) decide EARLY.

But 6 months into a pregnancy, your dude leaves you....No. No way. Fuck that. No abortion for you, Go fuck yourself.




That having been said.....

Anybody else find it TWISTED that Planned Parenthood has a commercial out with a girl rapping about getting abortions? That shit makes me fucking sick to my stomach. That shit just crosses the line. Blacks are becoming a smaller and smaller and smaller percentage of the population, and they gonna run this stupid ass shit? Just poor taste.

 

[Mr. Samos]

^^ YOU WERE JUST ONE OF THE LUC-KEE ONES WHO HAD SOME TYPE OF FATHER FIGURE AROUND.

Well I originally shouldn't of turned out how I did. I mean, I moved around a lot when I was young, including a temporary stay in a foster home when I was in Kindergarden. So I know what it's like to be on that side, it's horrible. Having no Family support at that age can be devastating. You don't know what's going to happen, even though you are young and naive as a child, it still affects you. I rarely got to see my mother because she was sick and in the hospital for a long time. So I could only visit. However after that I guess you could say I was lucky, I went to live with my Aunt for about 5 years, and then after that I went and lived with my Grandfather. That's what really changed my life, was living with him because that man has a lot of heart. Around Grade 6 my mom started getting better and by the time up to when I was 14-15 we had a great relationship. I don't have a large family but I have a very close family and with that support, not having a father didn't really affect me, if it did, I didn't notice. I felt I had everything I needed, and I did, so it was cool.

BRINGING IN A FATHERLESS CHILD INTO THIS WORLD AIN'T NO DIFFERENT THEN BRINGING IN A HANDICAP PERSON, ATLEAST THE HANDI-CAP PERSON KNOWS WHAT'S WRONG WITH EM, THEY MIGHT NOT TALK RIGHT OR WHATEVA, BUT THE CHILD YOU BRINGING IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT A FATHER IS LOVE/EMOTIONAL/GUIDANCE HANDICAP.

That's your opinion, and I bet many would agree with you. But, you don't need a Father to be successful in life, you don't need a Father to survive in life. I mean history has proven this to be a fact. A father figure is as important as a mother figure, because a Father can teach you things a mother can't, but that's where it ends. When you grow up and mature, things change.

BUT THEN AGAIN YOU GOT FOLKS WHO WERE RAISED BY BOTH PARENTS AND ARE STILL FUCC'D UP IN THE END...SAMO'S U FEEL ME

Well who say's the biological father is going to be a good father? What if he beat his wife and harrassed his kids, or at worst, beat his kids? Was a drunk or an addict? That would affect a child more-so than a child who did not have a biological father present who could witness that. I mean, stuff like that happens everyday. I've seen more fucked up kids who have both parents than kids who have only one, generally the single-parent kids are stronger individuals.

But it's all about opinion and beliefs, those are my beliefs.

 

[Mr. Samos]

S.L.R....Safe, Legal, Rare.

Strange position for such a vehement Conservative to hold, but thats how I feel. Eliminate all the dumb shit like "I can't afford him/her" (Yes, You can), and "I'm just not ready" (So the baby dies because your credit rating is too low?).....save it for the people who either, 1) really need it, or 2) decide EARLY.

But 6 months into a pregnancy, your dude leaves you....No. No way. Fuck that. No abortion for you, Go fuck yourself.




That having been said.....

Anybody else find it TWISTED that Planned Parenthood has a commercial out with a girl rapping about getting abortions? That shit makes me fucking sick to my stomach. That shit just crosses the line. Blacks are becoming a smaller and smaller and smaller percentage of the population, and they gonna run this stupid ass shit? Just poor taste.

That's pretty fucked up, I haven't seen that commercial though, I don't think it's casted out here....

 

[Fridge]

Abortions are wonderful. This world is more populated than it needs to be. If a person thinks they need to have an abortion, I think it's for a good damn reason. And for people who say adoption, that's another choice. I don't think we should limit our choices. I agree with Tadou about that 6 month shit. If you are going to have an abortion, you need to have it early in the pregnancy. If you wait too long, that's your own damn fault and you've ran out of choices. A women, for any reason, should be able to have an abortion. She should not be able to have an abortion at any time though. If they ban abortion, then they need to legalize independant distribution of new born babies, 'cause I'd go into business.

 

[CannibalCrow]

They need to push safe sex a bit more. Wear protection. Play it safe. Ladies, Don't just walk around with your legs open and wonder why you got knocked up. Fellas, Don't be so surprised that you're going to be a daddy after you run up in several different broads all in one night with no jimmy hat. I get tired of hearing the lament of loose people.

It is a sad situation, and if taken care of quickly, might not escalate to a depressing one. A child is a child and a life is a life, but a quick death before an agonizing life is best in some situations. You're never going to know if it'll fuck up the kid or not, but if you're out there breeding freely when you can't support the child you're taking chances using other people's lives.

I believe that life is life. A human fetus is a human baby. Whether or not it's concious, feels pain, dreams, has a heartbeat, is even complex enough to be any more than a lump of cells is a moot point to me. I am pro choice not because I agree with abortion, but because I agree with a woman's choice to have one. I may not agree with her reasons, but it's her body. However, after her 5th abortion the state should render the bitch sterile.

In the case of rape, I am for abortion. Not every woman is going to have the sense to go to the hospital after such an incident. She's going to be rattled, and some women never even admit it happened. The sooner the better, but sometimes you just can't bring yourself to do anything. It doesn't feel real.

The world is overpopulated enough, yes. People just need to practice common sense.

 

[Home-E]

giving the ok on abortion just because theyre not going to have a wonderful life because of not having a family or father or not enough money is like saying its ok to kill very unfortunate people like the homeless or handicapped because theyre never going to amount to anything or be able to support themselves. life is never fair. everybody deserves a chance to live. a chance to realize a dream or achieve a better life. @ crow, condoms break, didnt you read pykillamans post.

 

[JoMoDo]

Pro-abortion all the way, or pro-choice what ever you want to call it.

Since abortions will never go away isn't it better for a medical professional to administer the procedure rather than a self induced operation with a coat hanger.

Outlawing abortions will only have a malevolent affect on the indignent and struggling.

My favorites are pro-lifers who support the deathpenalth, that's rich right there....

However, I think there do need to be limitations, more speciffically to address WD question, after the 3rd trimester is too late to have an abortion. otherwise KTF...

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Having a child is one of the most selfish acts one can possibly do, especially if they are not financially, mentally or physically fit to properly raise a child.

People need to stop thinking about themselves for once and think of the future. Abort bitches, abort.