A professor claims to have proven the existence of god with physics
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i agree with you but this still means that science isnt fact.
only way we get around the world is by relating what we know to what we see.
then thats a problem with the man made scientific method
but you can never assume that just because you currently cant accept how or why something is doesnt mean it can never be done.
say you suddenly understand that everything is perception and your perception changes allowing you to see god everywhere and in everyting, but the truth is your current perception has blocked out any access of that understanding.
thats also just perception.
remember that belief sets perception.
when the belief is just a theory all along.
"It may be heuristically useful to keep in mind what one has observed. But on principle it is quite wrong to try grounding a theory on observable quantities alone. In reality the opposite happens. It is the theory which determines what we can observe." -Albert Einstein
mark twain said something also about life being a dream.
i dont know why so many people havent caught on to this yet. oh wait, yes i do.
yes, in the game of science.
science is nothing but an attempt to have a really good guess, and that doesnt constitute to it being LIFE.
cant hide behind science cause with or without man, the worlds the same.
UNDERSTANDING is intelligence, knowledge as you know , describe, and believe in, is nothing more than a false misconception of reality based on your ignorance>arrogance.
how can you not look at both of our perspectives right here and determine that what im saying is truth.
people arent idiots, nor were the cave men.
i stated all of this and i stand by it all the way, just like everybody do to their beliefs of how the world is.
only way we get around the world is by relating what we know to what we see.
then thats a problem with the man made scientific method
but you can never assume that just because you currently cant accept how or why something is doesnt mean it can never be done.
say you suddenly understand that everything is perception and your perception changes allowing you to see god everywhere and in everyting, but the truth is your current perception has blocked out any access of that understanding.
thats also just perception.
remember that belief sets perception.
when the belief is just a theory all along.
"It may be heuristically useful to keep in mind what one has observed. But on principle it is quite wrong to try grounding a theory on observable quantities alone. In reality the opposite happens. It is the theory which determines what we can observe." -Albert Einstein
mark twain said something also about life being a dream.
i dont know why so many people havent caught on to this yet. oh wait, yes i do.
yes, in the game of science.
science is nothing but an attempt to have a really good guess, and that doesnt constitute to it being LIFE.
cant hide behind science cause with or without man, the worlds the same.
UNDERSTANDING is intelligence, knowledge as you know , describe, and believe in, is nothing more than a false misconception of reality based on your ignorance>arrogance.
how can you not look at both of our perspectives right here and determine that what im saying is truth.
people arent idiots, nor were the cave men.
i stated all of this and i stand by it all the way, just like everybody do to their beliefs of how the world is.
Do you have better better suggestions?
Reading the holy book and equating what one "feels" with what the objective reality "should be" has been proven to be wrong long ago
I am not asuming anything, and I don't see what the hell perception has to do with science
If anything, perception is the area of religious folks, scientists have not developed such sophisticated tools and methods to observe and study nature just because they had nothing better to do
Scientific data is definitely not based on percpetion
There is one ultimate test for each theory - does it accurately predict future observations. It can't tell you whether the theory is right, but it can tell you if it's wrong
This is where all "supernatural explanations" fail miserably because they can't even make a prediction about the natural world. This not only means that they can't be tested (and you have to be very dumb to believe something untestable) but they are also totally useless
obviously, the world is not the same with and without man
but anyway, I already told you, if you don't like science, I am open to hear if you have any better suggestions about how we should try to understand the world around us
but please, don't suggest things that are already discredited
why are you repeating the same thing?
Repeating something doesn't make ti sound less dumb and ignorant
sigh
believe me, both were idiots (or IDiots, whatever you like)
I am not sure who were the bigger idiot though...
Reading the holy book and equating what one "feels" with what the objective reality "should be" has been proven to be wrong long ago
I am not asuming anything, and I don't see what the hell perception has to do with science
If anything, perception is the area of religious folks, scientists have not developed such sophisticated tools and methods to observe and study nature just because they had nothing better to do
Scientific data is definitely not based on percpetion
There is one ultimate test for each theory - does it accurately predict future observations. It can't tell you whether the theory is right, but it can tell you if it's wrong
This is where all "supernatural explanations" fail miserably because they can't even make a prediction about the natural world. This not only means that they can't be tested (and you have to be very dumb to believe something untestable) but they are also totally useless
obviously, the world is not the same with and without man
but anyway, I already told you, if you don't like science, I am open to hear if you have any better suggestions about how we should try to understand the world around us
but please, don't suggest things that are already discredited
why are you repeating the same thing?
Repeating something doesn't make ti sound less dumb and ignorant
sigh
believe me, both were idiots (or IDiots, whatever you like)
I am not sure who were the bigger idiot though...
yes, quit acting as if science is the complete truth.
im sure through science we have discovered many things, but many more things we really dont have a clue about because of what we dont know.
btw, i dont follow any book.
they are all corrupt by the time they reached this point in time.
what i do do tho, is see the relation between the positive messages in all the books and how they constitute to my observations on whats important in life .
yes, we ALL live through assumption rather than through affirmation.
anything above our five senses we are really just guessing on.
aint no voice poppin out everytime we assume tellin us we are right or wrong.
its all on us.
and perception is very important because that is what dictates out point of view on life.
you know how people say "well in a sense this could happen, in another sense it cant"
well, our perspectives are all senses that vary because of the differing relations and standards/limits we all have.
what one believes sets their perception on life, and where ones position in life is determines what ones belief is, which is then determined by his reasoning, which is determined by his standards, and the cycle goes on.
is the glass of water half full or half empty?
or is it always full , half water half air?
you see each of these answers are correct, but according to different perceptions.
perception affects all of us equally.
scientific data isnt based on perception, but what is the reasoning for the certain scientific data based on?
the reasoning is human relation.
not life relation.
does it predict future observation?
it depends on the observer ;-)
there has already been many predictions.
if you related to the supernatural well enough, im sure you would have found many truths by now.
and if you relate to science, im sure science is truth to you.
again, its all about perception>perspective.
how can you say that?
tell me, is it possible to make an airplane 2000 years ago ?
yes because the science/world doesnt change, our understanding does.
i mean mother fuckers thought we were the first to discover nuclear radiation, next thing you know it turned out to be comming from outer space all along.
my whole thing about science is, your perception about science is that science is the truth.
but in reality because we are so far behind in evolution, our Science is destroying the world.
oh and not only from pollution, but from many more things including wireless connection.
notice how everyday theres a new weight loss pill or a hair growth pill.
shit thats completely man made asking you to pop once daily for strong bones n shit.
and people wonder where cancer is comming from.
again, science isnt life nor fact, therefor shouldnt be paid as much attention as you or many of the people give.
because i was showing you once again that intelligence doesnt come from answering stupid questions like the ones you asked.
that type of knowledge doesnt constitute to shit other than memory.
if you believe that people dont have a really good reason for believing what they believe or that if you knew and seen what they see just as they see it, you wouldnt see credibility then you better stick with science....
im sure through science we have discovered many things, but many more things we really dont have a clue about because of what we dont know.
btw, i dont follow any book.
they are all corrupt by the time they reached this point in time.
what i do do tho, is see the relation between the positive messages in all the books and how they constitute to my observations on whats important in life .
yes, we ALL live through assumption rather than through affirmation.
anything above our five senses we are really just guessing on.
aint no voice poppin out everytime we assume tellin us we are right or wrong.
its all on us.
and perception is very important because that is what dictates out point of view on life.
you know how people say "well in a sense this could happen, in another sense it cant"
well, our perspectives are all senses that vary because of the differing relations and standards/limits we all have.
what one believes sets their perception on life, and where ones position in life is determines what ones belief is, which is then determined by his reasoning, which is determined by his standards, and the cycle goes on.
is the glass of water half full or half empty?
or is it always full , half water half air?
you see each of these answers are correct, but according to different perceptions.
perception affects all of us equally.
scientific data isnt based on perception, but what is the reasoning for the certain scientific data based on?
the reasoning is human relation.
not life relation.
does it predict future observation?
it depends on the observer ;-)
there has already been many predictions.
if you related to the supernatural well enough, im sure you would have found many truths by now.
and if you relate to science, im sure science is truth to you.
again, its all about perception>perspective.
how can you say that?
tell me, is it possible to make an airplane 2000 years ago ?
yes because the science/world doesnt change, our understanding does.
i mean mother fuckers thought we were the first to discover nuclear radiation, next thing you know it turned out to be comming from outer space all along.
my whole thing about science is, your perception about science is that science is the truth.
but in reality because we are so far behind in evolution, our Science is destroying the world.
oh and not only from pollution, but from many more things including wireless connection.
notice how everyday theres a new weight loss pill or a hair growth pill.
shit thats completely man made asking you to pop once daily for strong bones n shit.
and people wonder where cancer is comming from.
again, science isnt life nor fact, therefor shouldnt be paid as much attention as you or many of the people give.
because i was showing you once again that intelligence doesnt come from answering stupid questions like the ones you asked.
that type of knowledge doesnt constitute to shit other than memory.
if you believe that people dont have a really good reason for believing what they believe or that if you knew and seen what they see just as they see it, you wouldnt see credibility then you better stick with science....
this article was in my favorites right above the sicc
Science and Spirituality
Both science and spirituality are the search for truth. One is the search for the truths of the physical world; the other the search for the truth of the nature of consciousness. As such there is no conflict between them.
For the same reason, there is currently little meeting between the two either. The current scientifc paradigm does not include consciousness or mind as a fundamental reality, but seeks to explain everything in physical terms. Western science has now looked out to the edges of the Universe, back in time to the beginning of creation, and down into the sub-atomic structure of matter; and it finds no place, nor need, for God. But this is because it has not yet included the inner realm of mind in its scope. When science explores mind as fully as it has explored space, time and matter, it will create a new worldview„one that includes spirituality.
Spirituality, on the other hand, is often very unscientific in its approach to self-liberation. People believe things simply because someone has said it or written it. But this is hardly the best way to arrive at truth. The Buddha warned against this 2,500 years ago when he said "Do not believe anything because I have told you it is so. Only believe it when you have tested it for yourself." In this respect spiritual growth can, and should, be very scientific. We can form a hypothesis -- that certain meditation practices enhance awareness, for example -- set up a personal experiment in meditation practice, and see what the results are. This is important not only to make sure that we do not deceive ourselves, but also to ensure that our spiritual progress is as rapid as possible. And rapid spiritual growth is something the world today needs very badly.
http://www.peterussell.com/Weaver/WeaverScience.php
they are both just perception.
but which is more important in relation to the bigger picture of life and all it includes?
Science and Spirituality
Both science and spirituality are the search for truth. One is the search for the truths of the physical world; the other the search for the truth of the nature of consciousness. As such there is no conflict between them.
For the same reason, there is currently little meeting between the two either. The current scientifc paradigm does not include consciousness or mind as a fundamental reality, but seeks to explain everything in physical terms. Western science has now looked out to the edges of the Universe, back in time to the beginning of creation, and down into the sub-atomic structure of matter; and it finds no place, nor need, for God. But this is because it has not yet included the inner realm of mind in its scope. When science explores mind as fully as it has explored space, time and matter, it will create a new worldview„one that includes spirituality.
Spirituality, on the other hand, is often very unscientific in its approach to self-liberation. People believe things simply because someone has said it or written it. But this is hardly the best way to arrive at truth. The Buddha warned against this 2,500 years ago when he said "Do not believe anything because I have told you it is so. Only believe it when you have tested it for yourself." In this respect spiritual growth can, and should, be very scientific. We can form a hypothesis -- that certain meditation practices enhance awareness, for example -- set up a personal experiment in meditation practice, and see what the results are. This is important not only to make sure that we do not deceive ourselves, but also to ensure that our spiritual progress is as rapid as possible. And rapid spiritual growth is something the world today needs very badly.
http://www.peterussell.com/Weaver/WeaverScience.php
they are both just perception.
but which is more important in relation to the bigger picture of life and all it includes?
Science does not claim to be the absolute truth. We've been over this a million times. Science explains physically tangible things which can be observed (and all speculation is THEORY). What you're trying to do is say science is wrong because it doesn't include spirituality. This alone reveals your utter ignorance and the fact that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SCIENCE. So what makes you think you can speak and attack something you know absolutely fuck-all nothing about?
I don't mean to undermine your intelligence Hemp, but really many of your posts are fairly incoherent.
I know what you're saying (and keep repeating) here. Yes of course perception is everything. Our five senses detect sensory input and send the data to our brain where our mind interprets the data. The step where our mind interprets the data is PERCEPTION, in reality our mind cannot read all the data from sensory input so it is SELECTIVE. Thus we create our own perceptions based not on actual input from the external world, but based on our mind's interpretation of that input. And there you have it, what you're saying is part of an area of science. It is called PSYCHOLOGY (Science of the Mind). Why you're attacking science with something explained in science, I have no idea. But then again you wouldn't have known this because YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT SCIENCE.
Some people like to believe in only TANGIBLE things. You need to understand that science and spirituality are separate for a reason, if you wish to believe in spirituality and science together thats great. But you need to understand why the scientific method is used to definitely prove things. Which you obviously don't understand.
As if science is a religion or faith :hurt:
No shit.
Your incoherent and ignorant rantings remind me of old delusional ravers who have lost touch with reality.
How is any of this relevant to science or the subject you delusional fucktard? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. This statement shows EXTREME ignorance, do you even know what science is? Your ramblings are incoherent and show a somewhat delusional state of mind. Drugs are bad.
HAHAHAH what is all that incoherent babble supposed to mean Hemp? This is a prime example, STAY AWAY FROM DRUGS KIDS.
I don't mean to undermine your intelligence Hemp, but really many of your posts are fairly incoherent.
I know what you're saying (and keep repeating) here. Yes of course perception is everything. Our five senses detect sensory input and send the data to our brain where our mind interprets the data. The step where our mind interprets the data is PERCEPTION, in reality our mind cannot read all the data from sensory input so it is SELECTIVE. Thus we create our own perceptions based not on actual input from the external world, but based on our mind's interpretation of that input. And there you have it, what you're saying is part of an area of science. It is called PSYCHOLOGY (Science of the Mind). Why you're attacking science with something explained in science, I have no idea. But then again you wouldn't have known this because YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT SCIENCE.
Some people like to believe in only TANGIBLE things. You need to understand that science and spirituality are separate for a reason, if you wish to believe in spirituality and science together thats great. But you need to understand why the scientific method is used to definitely prove things. Which you obviously don't understand.
As if science is a religion or faith :hurt:
No shit.
Your incoherent and ignorant rantings remind me of old delusional ravers who have lost touch with reality.
How is any of this relevant to science or the subject you delusional fucktard? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. This statement shows EXTREME ignorance, do you even know what science is? Your ramblings are incoherent and show a somewhat delusional state of mind. Drugs are bad.
HAHAHAH what is all that incoherent babble supposed to mean Hemp? This is a prime example, STAY AWAY FROM DRUGS KIDS.
i wasnt talkin to you so you basically just wasted that precious time of yours.
wouldnt you think answering several times to the same dumb questions gets boring to death huh?
edit: so i decided to skim through your replies and to tell u the truth, you are ever more ignorant than thag even.
u should just get into rapping because you like using complicated terms n shit to get some props back from all the males in this thread.
please, record me a rap with your voice and lemme hear that shit.
you UK mofos sound queer as fuck.
again, your reply was useless and was basically repetitive bullshit.
step your game up
wouldnt you think answering several times to the same dumb questions gets boring to death huh?
edit: so i decided to skim through your replies and to tell u the truth, you are ever more ignorant than thag even.
u should just get into rapping because you like using complicated terms n shit to get some props back from all the males in this thread.
please, record me a rap with your voice and lemme hear that shit.
you UK mofos sound queer as fuck.
again, your reply was useless and was basically repetitive bullshit.
step your game up
Yeah, I'm sure that he's really pissed off and throwing a temper tantrum over it.
I fucking hate when you religious people refer to God as "him" or any personalized terminology, cause it obviously makes no sense...it's just a way for you to relate better which makes it a pretty ignorant thing to say in my opinion.
Character? Are you kidding me? Is "HE" a stand up "dude"? Come on. If anything, it's a fucking entity, something like energy, not a god damn person that's floating in the clouds.
I fucking hate when you religious people refer to God as "him" or any personalized terminology, cause it obviously makes no sense...it's just a way for you to relate better which makes it a pretty ignorant thing to say in my opinion.
Character? Are you kidding me? Is "HE" a stand up "dude"? Come on. If anything, it's a fucking entity, something like energy, not a god damn person that's floating in the clouds.
If you can't reply to my post and you concede that's great. Your posts in this thread were so idiotic and unreal I had to reply. The fact that it was not directed at me is irrelevant, we're all discussing the same subject here.
Yes
To make claims without using reasoning or backing them up makes your claims basically worthless. Your small brain couldn't even READ my reply, you had to SKIM. LMAO!
Let me remind you you're one who made these statements...
HAHAHAHA do these look like something a competent person would say? No, you're making yourself look like an ignorant fucktard (and somewhat delusional). Seriously though, the above statements made me question your mental health (which I would be concerned about, you should probably check up on it).
Irrelevant. HAHA, how old are you? As if this is going to refute your statements. Fuckin chav.
No, my reply shut your ass down, and then you come back with "you UK mofos sound queer as fuck", LMAO. Why are you still posting in this thread?
You should feel like a dumbfuck for even saying this after such an immature and irrelevant reply. I understand, you've obviously conceded.
The fuck outta here.
Yes
To make claims without using reasoning or backing them up makes your claims basically worthless. Your small brain couldn't even READ my reply, you had to SKIM. LMAO!
Let me remind you you're one who made these statements...
HAHAHAHA do these look like something a competent person would say? No, you're making yourself look like an ignorant fucktard (and somewhat delusional). Seriously though, the above statements made me question your mental health (which I would be concerned about, you should probably check up on it).
Irrelevant. HAHA, how old are you? As if this is going to refute your statements. Fuckin chav.
No, my reply shut your ass down, and then you come back with "you UK mofos sound queer as fuck", LMAO. Why are you still posting in this thread?
You should feel like a dumbfuck for even saying this after such an immature and irrelevant reply. I understand, you've obviously conceded.
The fuck outta here.
IF YOU DON'T FUCKING LIKE IT BOO HOO!!!! SO FUCKIN WHAT!!!! We've gone through this in the past and IT FUCKIN GOES NOWHERE!!!!
Me having a God and a heaven makes more perfect sense then your world full of hippies, drug addicts and potheads running around thinking they can do no wrong. Raising kids telling them smoking weed is a good thing and that living in anarchy and constant rebellion is the way to go. WOO HOO!!!! YEE HAW, DIGIDY DOG!!!!
Me having a God and a heaven makes more perfect sense then your world full of hippies, drug addicts and potheads running around thinking they can do no wrong. Raising kids telling them smoking weed is a good thing and that living in anarchy and constant rebellion is the way to go. WOO HOO!!!! YEE HAW, DIGIDY DOG!!!!
