A look at Reverse Racisim

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Apr 25, 2002
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By Tim Wise
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Article Dated 6/27/2002


Recently, when speaking to a group of high school students, I was asked why I only seemed to be concerned about white racism towards people of color. We had been discussing racial slurs, and a number of white students wondered why I didn't get as upset about blacks using terms like "honky" or "cracker," as I did about whites using words like "******."

Although such an issue may seem trivial in the larger scheme of things--especially given the more significant discussions about racism in the educational system that I had hoped to engage in that day--the challenge posed by the students was actually an important one. In fact, it allowed a discussion about the very essence of what racism is and how it operates.

On the one hand, of course, such slurs are quite obviously inappropriate and offensive, and ought not to be used. That said, I pointed out that even the mention of the words "honky" and "cracker" had elicited laughter; and not only from the black students in attendance, but also from other whites.

The words are so silly, so juvenile, so utterly pathetic that they hardly qualify as racial slurs at all, let alone slurs on a par with those that have been historically deployed against people of color.

The lack of symmetry between a word like honky and a slur such as "******" was made apparent in an old Saturday Night Live skit, with Chevy Chase and guest, Richard Pryor.

In the skit, Chase and Pryor face one another and trade off racial epithets during a segment of Weekend Update. Chase calls Pryor a "porch monkey." Pryor responds with "honky." Chase ups the ante with "jungle bunny." Pryor, unable to counter with a more vicious slur against whites, responds with "honky, honky." Chase then trumps all previous slurs with "******," to which Pryor responds: "dead honky."

The line elicits laughs all around, but also makes clear, at least implicitly that when it comes to racial antilocution, people of color are limited in the repertoire of slurs they can use against whites, and even the ones of which they can avail themselves sound more comic than hateful. The impact of hearing the antiblack slurs in the skit was of a magnitude unparalleled by hearing Pryor say "honky" over and over again.

As a white person I always saw terms like honky or cracker as evidence of how much more potent white racism was than any variation on the theme practiced by the black or brown.

When a group of people has little or no power over you institutionally, they don't get to define the terms of your existence, they can't limit your opportunities, and you needn't worry much about the use of a slur to describe you and yours, since, in all likelihood, the slur is as far as it's going to go. What are they going to do next: deny you a bank loan? Yeah, right.

So whereas "******" was and is a term used by whites to dehumanize blacks, to imply their inferiority, to "put them in their place" if you will, the same cannot be said of honky: after all, you can't put white people in their place when they own the place to begin with.

Power is like body armor. And while not all white folks have the same degree of power, there is a very real extent to which all of us have more than we need vis-à-vis people of color: at least when it comes to racial position, privilege and perceptions.

Consider poor whites. To be sure, they are less financially powerful than wealthy people of color. But that misses the point of how racial privilege operates within a class system.

Within a class system, people tend to compete for "stuff" against others of their same basic economic status. In other words, rich and poor are not competing for the same homes, bank loans, jobs, or even educations to a large extent. Rich competes against rich, working class against working class and poor against poor. And in those competitions racial privilege most certainly attaches.

Poor whites are rarely typified as pathological, dangerous, lazy or shiftless the way poor blacks are, for example. Nor are they demonized the way poor Latino/a immigrants tend to be.

When politicians want to scapegoat welfare recipients they don't pick Bubba and Crystal from some Appalachian trailer park; they choose Shawonda Jefferson from the Robert Taylor Homes, with her seven children.

And according to reports from a number of states, ever since so-called welfare reform, white recipients have been treated far better by caseworkers, are less likely to be bumped off the rolls for presumed failure to comply with new regulations, and have been given far more assistance at finding new jobs than their black or brown counterparts.

Poor whites are more likely to have a job, tend to earn more than poor people of color, and are even more likely to own their own home. Indeed, whites with incomes under $13,000 annually are more likely to own their own home than blacks with incomes that are three times higher due to having inherited property.


None of this is to say that poor whites aren't being screwed eight ways to Sunday by an economic system that relies on their immiseration: they are. But they nonetheless retain a certain "one-up" on equally poor or even somewhat better off people of color thanks to racism.

It is that one-up that renders the potency of certain prejudices less threatening than others. It is what makes cracker or honky less problematic than any of the slurs used so commonly against the black and brown.

In response to all this, skeptics might say that people of color can indeed exercise power over whites, at least by way of racially-motivated violence. Such was the case, for example, this week in New York City where a black man shot two whites and one Asian-Pacific Islander before being overpowered. Apparently he announced that he wanted to kill white people, and had hoped to set a wine bar on fire to bring such a goal to fruition.

There is no doubt his act was one of racial bigotry, and that to those he was attempting to murder his power must have seemed quite real. Yet there are problems with claiming that this "power" proves racism from people of color is just as bad as the reverse.

First, racial violence is also a power whites have, so the power that might obtain in such a situation is hardly unique to non-whites, unlike the power to deny a bank loan for racial reasons, to "steer" certain homebuyers away from living in "nicer" neighborhoods, or to racially profile in terms of policing. Those are powers that can only be exercised by the more dominant group as a practical and systemic matter.

Additionally, the "power" of violence is not really power at all, since to exercise it, one has to break the law and subject themselves to probable legal sanction.

Power is much more potent when it can be deployed without having to break the law to do it, or when doing it would only risk a small civil penalty at worst. So discrimination in lending, though illegal is not going to result in the perp going to jail; so too with employment discrimination or racial profiling.

There are plenty of ways that more powerful groups can deploy racism against less powerful groups without having to break the law: by moving away when too many of "them" move in (which one can only do if one has the option of moving without having to worry about discrimination in housing.)

Or one can discriminate in employment but not be subjected to penalty, so long as one makes the claim that the applicant of color was "less qualified," even though that determination is wholly subjective and rarely scrutinized to see if it was determined accurately, as opposed to being a mere proxy for racial bias. In short, it is institutional power that matters most.

Likewise, it's the difference in power and position that has made recent attempts by American Indian activists in Colorado to turn the tables on white racists so utterly ineffective.

Indian students at Northern Colorado University, fed up by the unwillingness of white school district administrators in Greeley to change the name and grotesque Indian caricature of the Eaton High School "Reds," recently set out to flip the script on the common practice of mascot-oriented racism.

Thinking they would show white folks what it's like to "be in their shoes" and experience the objectification of being a team icon, indigenous members of an intramural basketball team renamed themselves the "Fightin' Whiteys," and donned t-shirts with the team mascot: a 1950's-style caricature of a suburban, middle class white guy, next to the phrase "every thang's gonna be all white."

Funny though the effort was, it has not only failed to make the point intended, but indeed has been met with laughter and even outright support by white folks. Rush Limbaugh actually advertised for the team's t-shirts on his radio program, and whites from coast to coast have been requesting team gear, thinking it funny to be turned into a mascot, as opposed to demeaning.

Of course the difference is that it's tough to negatively objectify a group whose power and position allows them to define the meaning of another group's attempts at humor: in this case the attempt by Indians to teach them a lesson. It's tough to school the headmaster, in other words.
 
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I feel what he's sayin. If someone calls me a racist term even with malice I just laugh at the shit. don't take it serious at all. so the double standard really doesn't stand up in this case. I do think tho you gotta look at how the word really effects you personally. Probobly every black person called a "nigger" with malice will definately get pissed off and rightfully so. I do know some black folks who when called "nigger" in a jokingly matter laugh at it (I personally havn't done that but witnessed it). their is a lot of black people who get pissed off just as much if jokingly as if with malice. I can understand why they draw the line, but I think they are lettin it get to them too much personally. I doubt it will ever get to this point, but wouldn't it would be nice to be able to rub off the word "nigger" like white people could rub off honkey or cracker etc... I think the word will only have power to it for a racist person to use it in a harmfull way when knowingly the black person will take it to heart and let it really get to em.... I dunno, I ain't in your shoes tho...
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Snubnoze said:
I doubt it will ever get to this point, but wouldn't it would be nice to be able to rub off the word "nigger" like white people could rub off honkey or cracker etc... I think the word will only have power to it for a racist person to use it in a harmfull way when knowingly the black person will take it to heart and let it really get to em.... I dunno, I ain't in your shoes tho...
In order to rub off the word painfulness of the word "Nigger", you're gonna have to erase a lot of history. Thats not possible..

But everything else I see what your saying..
 
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Tenkamenin said:
In order to rub off the word painfulness of the word "Nigger", you're gonna have to erase a lot of history. Thats not possible..
Can anyone find a definition of the word "nigger"?

In my American Heritage Collage Dict 3rd Edtition it says that

a "niggard" is a stingy meiser.

Everyone knows that a nigger is a beligerant thief.

Who came to America and proclaimed the New World as their

own posession?

Who colonized, oppressed and stole the materialistic items that

defined the cultural lifestyles of the indigenous peoples across

the globe, along with their history and identities?

Now every white person is not directly responsible for the actions

of their ancestors, but when I see whitefolx sportin confederate

flags and german crosses, I think, there's a nigger...

Southerners hide behind what they call "heritage," but all I see is

propagana that justified white peoples hatred for the people of

color.

I'm gonna design some t-shirts, are y'all gonna cop once

they drop?:devious:
 
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I got this from http://www.tolerance.org I knew thta article by Tom Wise looked familar, it can also be found at the aforementioned website.
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Excerpt From 'Cognitive Representations of Black Americans'

By Keith B. Maddox and Stephanie A. Gray, Tufts University

If you’re white, you’re right,
If you’re yellow, you’re mellow,
If you’re brown, stick around,
If you’re black, get back.

The saying quoted above was once common among Blacks. The first and last lines reflect the discriminatory divide between White and Black Americans that has existed throughout U.S. history. The second and third lines reflect a peculiar phenomenon in the Black community.

Skin tone bias is the tendency to perceive or behave toward members of a racial category based on the lightness or darkness of their skin tone. Although similar to racial stereotyping, prejudice and discrimination, skin tone bias is distinguished by its focus on the physical characteristics of individuals within a racial category.

This tendency to differentiate based on skin tone within a racial category emerges in a number of countries around the world. … and among Blacks in the United States. …

In all of these societies, light skin is generally valued over dark skin, and a person’s skin tone has broad implications for his or her relative social status.

The study can be read in its entirety in the "Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin."
 
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Yall know bout hypodecent

hypodecent - is bout race - it means if you black and have a a kid wit a white person your family from there i they stick wit whites after that wont be white till you ahve a great great great great grea graet great grandchild (if the kid is only 1/32 after that) then he is consider wihte but if its like 1/32 or wut ahe then he is black when like his his mom dad grand ma grad dad great grand ma graeat grand dad great great grnad dad and so on is white only that one black person form way bac make s him 100 % black thats how racist laws in tha south are
 
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FoeTwin said:


Can anyone find a definition of the word "nigger"?

In my American Heritage Collage Dict 3rd Edtition it says that

a "niggard" is a stingy meiser.

Everyone knows that a nigger is a beligerant thief.

Who came to America and proclaimed the New World as their

own posession?

Who colonized, oppressed and stole the materialistic items that

defined the cultural lifestyles of the indigenous peoples across

the globe, along with their history and identities?

Now every white person is not directly responsible for the actions

of their ancestors, but when I see whitefolx sportin confederate

flags and german crosses, I think, there's a nigger...

Southerners hide behind what they call "heritage," but all I see is

propagana that justified white peoples hatred for the people of

color.

I'm gonna design some t-shirts, are y'all gonna cop once

they drop?:devious:
I think you got it all twisted..

When people think of the word "Nigger" they think of a derogatory term used against black people. Even though other groups of people were called "Niggers" the word strayed away from them. You go with your heritage dictionary all you want but the truth is that no one goes by that definition.

Now its time for black people dissociate themselves from that word. Because when you call yourself a nigga, nicca, nizzle whatever you are really calling yourself a nigger...

I saw your sig earlier today and I'm glad you removed it, because it wasn't conveying a good message..
 
Apr 25, 2002
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Deep Thought said:
Nice thread Tenk'. The guy hit some very interesting points. You're right about history though, it's not going anywhere. I hope to see you this weekend in Chico bruh.
Yup...

I'll maybe make it, I don't know, if you see a brotha with a shaved head, wrapped in a red and black cloth sportin jewlry, like the guy in my pic (not that much jewlry because I ain't no king)....THATS ME..But if not then I couldn't make it...That sucks that it has to be soo damn far away.

Thats cool that you show interest into going to an African drum festival...Is this your first time experiencing a drum festival? It's good stuff... Well props for being open minded to a different culture..not many people do that nowadays.
 
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When people think of the word "Nigger" they think of a derogatory term used against black people. Even though other groups of people were called "Niggers" the word strayed away from them. You go with your heritage dictionary all you want but the truth is that no one goes by that definition.

Now its time for black people dissociate themselves from that word. Because when you call yourself a nigga, nicca, nizzle whatever you are really calling yourself a nigger...
Compare your first paragraph to the next. If you really think about it, the term "nigga" changed from its original meaning of "nigger". The majority of people asociate the world "nigga" as a friendly word for "brother" "man" "boy" "dog" whatever..... its not the same as the word it derived from.
 
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Snubnoze said:


Compare your first paragraph to the next. If you really think about it, the term "nigga" changed from its original meaning of "nigger". The majority of people asociate the world "nigga" as a friendly word for "brother" "man" "boy" "dog" whatever..... its not the same as the word it derived from.
Nah theres no difference...

A word never changes it's meaning over time, people get ignorant and forget history.

It's more likely possible that we never escaped it, we were calling eachothers niggers during slavery and we still call ourselves that now. Just because the word is glorified in our music it doesn't make it any better than when we used it 100 years ago.
 
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I disagree, and many others would aswell. Words change over time. Your idea of getting rid of the word "nigger" is to completely iradicate any use or association to that word. In theory thats the best plan but in reality that will never happen. The only way IMO is to change the word itself. "Nigga" might offend you, aswell as others, but a lot of black people have no problem with it and in some cases take pride in the word. Its like taking an offensive world like "nigger" and shovin it in all the faces of the people who tried to use it in a harmfull way. At the same time, if someone called them "nigger" they would of course have a problem with that.

anyone else care to join the discussion?
 
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On new years eve 2000, I was at a double tree hotel in beachwood, up in ohio down in the lobby about to go out and fire up a mild when this dude pimped out in a fly 3-piece blue suit walked over toward me from the help desk flossin and asked "hey nigga, you gotta anotha black i can buy off you?" I could already tell this man was bout dead ass drunk by the sound of his voice becasue when he said "nigga" I felt as if it had this negative connotation attatchd to it, becasue we were out in the burbz surrounded by whitefolx...And I was like "I ain nan nigga, but I do gotta another mild though" Then dude was all like "Aw man, quit trippin nigga quit trippin, let me get that mild from you nigga" and as i'm passin the mild, I'm like "I dont play that 'nigga' shit bruh, I came up here from Alabama and I dont usually respond to that word..game recognize game, and you're gonna have ta give respect to get some" What did I go an say that for? Dont you know this (insert racial ephitet here) was out there sharpah thanna mufucca (was plenty of ladies out that night, lookin over our way too) when he wanna show his color an tryin beef wit me over a giving a youngsta like me some respect.. Two of his potnaz had to grab that man and take him back upstairs. He cursed me the whole way up, talkin shit about how he wasnt gonna give any $ for the mild. His potna gave me $1 and told me that up there that's the way they addres eachother on the streets. I could have told him that, it's just I didnt want anyone else there to think that it would have been okay to call me that shit, becasue whitefolx will heare blackfolx call eachother the word, then turn around and think it's okay to say it. When I was in Denver, Co in 2001, I went to this billiard hall called Red & Jerry's and got bent offa rum playin video games and shootin pool. On the way out, there was this whiteboy going in that had a t-shirt from Alaska on it, and I was like "Wussup, that's wher I'm origionally from." And the whiteboy put out his hand like to give me dap and was like "Wussup nigga!" Don't y'all know i punched dude in the face? My potnaz (who were also white) snatched me up and laughed about that shit all the way back to the house. i ain even gonna lie, I prolly use that word a thousand times a day, but i ain finna to accept anyone sayin it to me.
One last thing- In '99, when i lived in auburn I was high offa tha daily herbals playin spades at this clubhouse. When I got finished I stepped outside to spark a mild, but didnt have any fire. there were these kids standin ove by the b-bal court blowin, so I was like "Aye, An 1 y'all niggaz got some figh?" The tallest dude was like "Who the fuck you callin nigga?" I was already zooted, so I wasnt even listening.. I was like "aye, nigga, quit trippin-i know you got some figh nigga," Dude straight rushed me and tried to fight me, when he swung over my head I grabbed his legs. picked him up and threw him back away from me and turned around and hauled ass (he had a whole gang of fooz that were standing out wit him, and i wasnt goin for the oakee-doak) I didnt squash the funk until about a week later when I seen him again at a party.
but see what happens when you offend someone wit that word?
 
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Speaking from the heart, I'll never let ignorance win (not reffering to you Snubnoze)

Snubnoze said:
I disagree, and many others would aswell. Words change over time. Your idea of getting rid of the word "nigger" is to completely iradicate any use or association to that word. In theory thats the best plan but in reality that will never happen. The only way IMO is to change the word itself. "Nigga" might offend you, aswell as others, but a lot of black people have no problem with it and in some cases take pride in the word.
These Nigga discussions are always my favorites....:classic:

Just because many African Americans disagree with what I say doesn't mean that the word is acceptable...A lot of African Americans do not even know there own history, this continues the past. I can't even blame slaves that called themselves "niggas". Slaves were mentally abused people, if you keep hearing from white racists that your skin color is not good, you are worthless to society, "you are a stupid NIGGER", "you're dumb NIGGER", "Yall NIGGERS are the same", You ain shit NIGGER" for hundreds of years you will start to believe it, matter of fact you will start to call yourself that...Have you ever heard some prositutes talk? Some feel worthless because there pimps keeps telling them they ain't shit, and they start to believe it. Some of them are soooo fucked mentally they even are proud to be a prostitute, because they think thats what they are. Some prostitutes snap out of it.....because they got counseling....a lot of counseling. We ain't never got that counseling so the "nigga" in us still lives on.... Now some of us have broken from that chain of using the word "nigga", we've done the counseling within ourself (I and 4fifteenrolla, :) and many other black people) we looked at ourselves and said it wasn't right using the word...... But unfortunatley a lot of us haven't.

I prefer to use the word "BROTHA" Why? Because the word does more good to my community then bad, words are very powerful if you don't know. When I look at someone as a brotha aka brother, I see the person as someone that I'll be therefore through thick and thin, someone that gots my back and I got theres, someone no matter how many times they fall I will be there to pick them up. Yeah I may get in fights with my brotha, a fist fight, its normal for brothers to fight, but I will NEEEEVVVVVVVEEERRRRRR kill him, you can never kill your brother. When I look at someone as a "nigga" I don't see those qualities. The problem in the black community is that we see each other as "niggas" instead of brothas and sistas, thats why we rob each other, thats why we kill each other, thats why we degrade each other. Until we look at ourselves as brothas and sistas we will have a hard time gettin shit straight..REAL TALK!!!

The word "nigga" is "nigger", theres no difference in the meaning...It was an accent thing more than a change in meaning. And the word "nigga" has been used since slavery. The word didn't spontaneously pop up when rap music became popular, it's been in the community for centuries. The way black folks are using the word"nigga" now is the same as the way black folks were using it during slavery. If you want to dispute the meaning thing lets take the word "trigger". A lot of rappers say "trigga" instead of "trigger". Is there a difference between the two words? NO Samething as "Nigga" and "Nigger" it's more of an accent thing. The word didn't evolve because we haven't evolve the definition of the word. Nor shall we evolve the word.

In some parts of the south racist whites do not call black people "niggers" they call them "niggas" or "nigguhs" how ever you want to pronounce it.
 
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FoeTwin said:
I was like "aye, nigga, quit trippin-i know you got some figh nigga," Dude straight rushed me and tried to fight me, when he swung over my head I grabbed his legs. picked him up and threw him back away from me and turned around and hauled ass (he had a whole gang of fooz that were standing out wit him, and i wasnt goin for the oakee-doak) I didnt squash the funk until about a week later when I seen him again at a party.
but see what happens when you offend someone wit that word?
:confused:

You were mad at someone that called you a nigga yet you offended someone with that same word.
 
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FoeTwin said:
Pay attention to the chron-illogical order of events, and then maybe you can overstand.:eyecross:
I ain't feelin that post....

My problem with you is that you said, you use the word 1,000 times a day but you won't let anyone use it on you...Who are you? A Slave master? You can verbally opress someone but they can't say shit back to you? Thats a joke.... Not only are you contradicting yourself, but thats IGNORANT.

Thats what I gather from reading that part..maybe I'm missing something but I don't think so. You need to explain yourself on that.
 
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i didnt read most of yall replies... but i will say this. This new sort of reverse racism or whatever ppl want to call it these days. Will never ever, replace the racism that cost so many [lives], not jobs, not all that other crap. But lives. That's all I can say about it.

and for the Nigger word. Some people of other races have to be careful, and black people as well if they want to say "nigga", because some black folk ain't over the word just yet. So, it should depend on who your company is.
 
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the word nigga

I'm not gonna lie, it does kinda bother me when I hear someone who isn't Black say "nigga". Where I'm from, some people who aren't Black just throw the word around like it ain't nothin'. It ain't too many Black folks in my area anyhow.

For instance, my homie says it. I guess I let it slide with him 'cause he's Mexican and I've know him for almost 13 years. In the years I've known him, I've never once uttered a racial slur directed at him or his race. I guess he thinks because he hears some rapper say it on a cd, he thinks its okay.

Here's my question... Why would someone who isn't Black say "nigga"? What do you get out of it by sayin' it?