A debate we're having in my multicultural class

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May 2, 2002
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So we're having this huge, heated debate on whether or not the "n" word should be abolished.

My teacher is a black woman in her early 20's, already has her masters and is working on her phd. VERY INTELLIGENT WOMAN. She's from Atlanta and was raised in a grimy ass ghetto. She loves sparking racial debates.

As for the rest of the class (myself not included), it's mostly ignorant (but willing) upper-middle class white kids. The only knowledge they have about other cultures (primarily poor ones) comes from their limited college education. Not to knock them, but they're very ditzy. It's about 90% girls in there (education majors). Here's how your average person in that class talks "well, like, um.. I think its just wrong that black people are oppressed like they are. I mean, like, its just so awful how they are, like, treated sometimes. it really makes me, like, umm.. angry". However, these people would never actually DO anything in real life to make things better. They get scared when the teacher challenges us on racial issues.
I, on the other hand, do not hold back. I may not be up to par with Hersey, but I like to think I know my shit. More so than 99% of the students on campus who live in a sheltered bubble. I speak my mind in class I recieve dirty looks from the ditzy students.. Whatever, the teacher likes me. That's the important thing.

ANYWAYS... the debate right now, as I said, was the abolishment of the N word. Teach never really voices her position on topics, just spits facts. Probably because she doesn't want all the sheep in there jump on her boat. However, she wears "abolish the N word" t-shirts, so I got a good idea where she stands. Yet, she doesn't voice her opinion, just other scholar opinions.
So basically, the entire class is like "well, I think the word shouldnt be said at all. it's wrong and dergetory. it should be abolished"
my argument: "wouldnt that be taking away from our freedom of speech?"
them: "well, maybe it shouldn't be a law, but it should be socially accepted by everyone. it should not be said in movies, rap albums, media, etc."
me: "they're not gonna stop saying it"
them: "well then we should boycott anything that says the word"

**quick note, Im drastically paraphrasing the argument**

me: "okay. then what? will that end racism? does it stop at the N word? won't people start using other racist terms then? where do we draw the line? what about racist terms for white people, latino people, asian people? do we abolish all of those too?"
them: "umm, like, yeah"
me: "is that going to end racism?"
them: ".....?????....."

What's your guys' take on this? I'm asking whether you think racism is right or whether racist terms should be used.. that should go without saying. But abolished? Is that possible, first of all? Is it plausible?
 
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its just a vibration....words i mean...its the connotation, tone, context, emotion behind them that makes them racist. its an interesting word, its history and how it has evolved is unlike many other, if not any other word, so its hard to determine. when i lived in the hood it was used by all non-white minorities, from blacks to latinos to middle easterns. some blacks ive talked to even have pride in the word, seeing it as something sacred that they have earned the exclusive right to use. and if u cant take it out of the culture that uses it, how do u expect to take it out of the art forms (music, film, comedy) that represent those cultures??
a better question would be to ask how aboloshing a word is even possible? lol
 
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I don't say that word in any circumstance, but I am with you on this one and I believe that aboloshing this word won't change history. It's not the word itself that's so powerful, but the history behind it, and that cannot be abolished. Therefore, I believe that if there was actually a push for this word to get abolished, it would spark negativity more than anything.

Also, if its a movement of blacks trying to get rid of the word, it's one thing and I would have no problem. But, if it's whites mainly, then what I get from it is that they want to neglect the past and put black oppression behind them. I honestly think a lot of white people are scared and get nervous when learning about slavery and fucked up shit that their ancestors have done in the past.

I don't think it should be abolished, but if someone is using that word like it's nothing, then I just hope someone serves them what they deserve.
 

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NavThaShah said:
its just a vibration....words i mean...its the connotation, tone, context, emotion behind them that makes them racist. its an interesting word, its history and how it has evolved is unlike many other, if not any other word, so its hard to determine. when i lived in the hood it was used by all non-white minorities, from blacks to latinos to middle easterns. some blacks ive talked to even have pride in the word, seeing it as something sacred that they have earned the exclusive right to use. and if u cant take it out of the culture that uses it, how do u expect to take it out of the art forms (music, film, comedy) that represent those cultures??
a better question would be to ask how aboloshing a word is even possible? lol

I agree with the first parts of what you said. Especially about people feeling like they have earned the right to the word. I've had friends that call ALL their homies that, whether they're black, white, mexican, whatever...I don't use the word, but I don't mind being called that by someone who I'm friends with.

I have been called that though, in a negative way, more than once...and I'm not black, and I dont' think I even look close...

But you can't abolish a word. That's like saying, "we're going to get rid of racism today!" It's not fucking possible. If the word NEVER existed, or you could wipe it from people's memories, then it would be possible...but it will NEVER be abolished, and to be honest....that is a censorship which violates free speech....in my opinion....all this politically correct BULLSHIT is fucking stupid....if you can't handle the truth, GO OFF YOURSELF...Not everyone HAS to like everyone else. You can hate people, it's your RIGHT to not like people if you don't want to. Even calling someone the N word in a negative way, while most people see it as ignorant and many other things, SOME people dont' believe that....and saying they are wrong and everyone else is right, is fucking stupid. It's all opinion, and making people be a certain way, just won't work...it'll just imbed it more into their brain and culture.

If people want to say it, they can say it. If people don't, then they don't have to. But FORCING people to do anything in this country is a feat (sp?) in it's own right because everyone is so high and mighty....I just think people should either use it or not, and if not, get over it...there's no point in bitching about it or debating, TAKE SOME FUCKIN ACTION!

That's how I feel....
 
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i want to throw my two cents in on this.........im half white/mexican and all i have been around is black people my whole life..all the shit,the bad things that squares think black people go thru,well i was that one white guy in wit em.....that word is like how white muthafuckas call each other dude and shit....i have been kickin it a couple different times and saw guys get knocked the fuck out for sayin that shit...i think its how you say it,i have never been checked in my life for sayin it-i think most black people know what context you are sayin it in and if you have no buisness talkin like that then you should get your block knocked off.........ill proly be quicker to check sum wigger throwin that around than my folks
 

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AIN'T NO WAY TO ABOLISH IT CAUSE IT'S INgRAINED TOO HARD AND LOOKED AT DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. NOW THAT RAP DONE BLEW UP, THE YOUNgA gENERATION(S) THAT AIN'T BLAK, SEEM LIKE IT'S THE FAD(BUT STILL CAN BE CLOSET RACIST). SO PERSONALLY, I FEEL IF YOU WANNA SAY IT, THEN SAY IT WITHOUT HIDIN' IT WHEN BLAK FOLK IS IN YOUR PRESENCE TOO AND BE READY FOR WHATEVA REPERCUSSION.

THEN AgAIN, YOU HAVE THAT CASE IN NEW YORK WHERE SOME WHITE KID(NICHOLAS MINUCCI) SAID IT AND ENDED UP BEIN' SOME RACIAL MOTIVATED FIgHT(HATE CRIME) AND HIS DEFENSE WAS THAT IT'S IN RAP MUSIC AND USED SOME PRODUCER(THAT HAPPENS TO BE BLAK) COME TO HIS DEFENSE, THAT IT IS USED IN RAP AS A TERM OF ENDEARMENT., WELL AL SHARPTON WASN'T HAVIN' IT AND ORgANIZED SOMETHIN' AND HE BROKE IT ON DOWN AS TO WHY IT'S RACIST AND SHOULDN'T BE USED.
http://www.nydailynews.com/05-30-2006/news/story/422041p-356261c.htmlhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/05/30/rev-sharpton-wants-to-te_n_21874.html
 
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Exactly ^^^^

You can abolish it, you just have to hope it fades away. Even if you put a 1,000$ fine on it if youre caught saying the word millions of people will use it every day. They gotta let it fade out like the word 'Def' (remember didnt they burry it on BET or MTV? As soon as rappers and black people stop using it, and also when all african americans act like it doesnt bother them if a white person calls them the N Word, it will disapear.
 

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I don't give a damn if it is abolished or not. The word being abolished does NOT remove the fact that NIGGERISM is INGRAINED in the minds of MANY people not just african americans, but I do believe african americans are the most widely affected by it. Now think about it, should I be more concerned with this person saying this word or should I be more concerned with this guy sitting behind the desk and who has power to hire or fire me? Should I be more concerned with the dummy using the word that he heard from some faggoty rap artist or should I be more concerned with the guy who has the power to make policy?

So nigger me this, nigger me that, what about all the other words associated with black? Black out, black cat, black magic..."black" will CONTINUE to be associated with EVIL or BAD, and it doesn't matter if you take away the "n word" or not (just say the damn thing for crying out loud.) You STILL have agents of socialization that are far more destructive (such as familiy and media.) Abolishing the word will do NOTHING. So you abolished it now what? You can still be called geechee, moon cricket, mud, tar baby, rastus, golliwog, sambo and the MILLIONS of other slurs and names people come up with.

I agree with you and your position PHX. Like I said before, I don't give a SHIT if you call me a nigger, in fact, I'll even give you POINTERS on how to do it. Spice it up a bit, call me a flat nosed watermelon eating nigger instead of "nigger". Be creative with it, fast running, high jumping, slam dunkin ghetto sled riddin nig instead of nig.

Right now the blacks have the second highest drop out rate in america, black males make up the majority of the homeless, black females have a large h.iv. explosion, and the number of black males being incarcerated goes up everyday. Should I be concerned about a word or the actions of my own people?
 
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HERESY said:
Black out, black cat, black magic..."black" will CONTINUE to be associated with EVIL or BAD, and it doesn't matter if you take away the "n word" or not (just say the damn thing for crying out loud.)
Truth. And nothing more blatant comes to mind than this
 
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But werent many of those black refrences to nonliving items around from way before whites here were importing slaves? White was seen as good from way back in europe i thought. Like middle ages
 

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Black magic is different than calling someone black, cause you know they aren't the actual color black. The term is taken out of context because it means two completely different things. Black is the color/shade/whatever black, where as someone that's "black" really has light to dark brown skin.

The OJ Simpson thing, only got caught because their rival printed the real photo.
 

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Sixxness said:
Black magic is different than calling someone black, cause you know they aren't the actual color black. The term is taken out of context because it means two completely different things. Black is the color/shade/whatever black, where as someone that's "black" really has light to dark brown skin.

The OJ Simpson thing, only got caught because their rival printed the real photo.

Black magic is usually associated with harmful magic and curses. White magic is usually associated with healing magic and good spells. Again, the word black is often used to denote bad things, and in our society black is bad and white is right and "pure as snow."

Blackmail
blackball
Black Comedy
black hearted
black scoundrel
black sheep
Black Monday - Black friday
Black Death

In our society ALL of these things are basically BAD and frowned upon. The same can be said about BLACK PEOPLE.
 

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HERESY said:
african americans, but I do believe african americans are the most widely affected by it.
I cannot contribute much to this thread as I grew up in Germany, but I would like to ask a question I was wonderin about for some time.

How come that black Americans are still referred to as "African Americans"? Do white Americans refer to themselves as "Irish Americans", "Italian Americans", "German Americans", "Dutch Americans", or even "European Americans"?
I think this term "African Americans" still seperates this "group" a lot from "The Americans". But what is the difference?
The US always tries to show itself as the place where color or race is not an option, but it already stops there.
What y'all think about this as "African Americans"?!
 
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nhojsmith said:
by the way the connotation of you emphasizing and reassuring us this woman is intelligent after telling us she is black and working towards a phd is fucking hilarious and should be the topic of your classes next debate.
Are you fucking serious? I think the fact that you making connotations that don't exist is "fucking hilarious".