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LOL, thats why your a raider fan. You would rather have a 32 year old Seymour at the end of his career, help your bad team become a .500 team.

He's not even under contract for next season. In 2017, when that #17 pick is in the prime of his career, Seymour is going to be where? Dont say the Raiders were going to waste that pick, when all you Raider fans are going on and on about the great draft from last year.

Instead, the Raiders couldve drafted a 22-23 year old and had him under contract for the next 6 years and building a soild team for the future.

Instead, the Patriots are doing that.
Seymour has been productive in his 2 years here... He has A LOT left in tha tank.. your not a raider fan so you wouldnt understand unless you really follow this team.. He's been a leader on this team and has def help bring winning culture back.. And yes we had a great draft last year, but I'm judging things based on previous track records.. we took chances with some BUSTS in tha 1st rounds so this was a solid move for Oak.. we had one of tha best DLines this season.. Now Im not saying this trade wont benefit NE as well, because we all know tha pats know how to draft.. of course only a non raider fan would think this wasnt a good move for Oak,, everybody in football knows it was.... Seymours far from washed up.. once he gets a contract extension he'll have plenty more good seasons in Oak just watch kid
 
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There is A LOT of fallacy in this post.

For one, you are ASSUMING that the pick Oakland traded, would be the same position as Seymour. You are also assuming that pick turned out to be GOOD. On top of that, you are ALSO assuming that Patriots KEEP that pick, and not trade it away, or that the pick they make also becomes a good NFL player. That is all PURE speculation at this point.

Oakland and NE did what they thought was best for their team, nothing more and nothing less.
a guy who knows what he's talking about.. and like I said so far Richard Seymour has been great to this team.. Big Rich is a solid player who brings leadership to this team, and will help our younger guys develop..
 

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There is A LOT of fallacy in this post.

For one, you are ASSUMING that the pick Oakland traded, would be the same position as Seymour. You are also assuming that pick turned out to be GOOD. On top of that, you are ALSO assuming that Patriots KEEP that pick, and not trade it away, or that the pick they make also becomes a good NFL player. That is all PURE speculation at this point.

Oakland and NE did what they thought was best for their team, nothing more and nothing less.
LOL Where did I assume that the pick played the same position as Seymour? I said draft a 22-23 year old to BUILD around.

The Patriots trading the pick is a mute point. Trading the pick for more picks is only making the trade better for the Patriots.

The Raiders are assuming that he wants to play for them.(Doesnt look like it since they cant sign him) They are also assuming that he doesnt get injuried.

The way of the NFL now, is building through the draft. Have the Patriots missed a beat since all their older, aging players have left or retired? How did the Raiders become a .500 team? Having a solid draft class of starters that they will have for the next 5-6 years. It took the Saints how long to recover are the Ricky Williams draft day trade?

If the Raiders want to be better NOW and become a .500 team, then yes, that was a good trade. But for building a winning team for the future? Nope.
 

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Seymour has been productive in his 2 years here... He has A LOT left in tha tank.. your not a raider fan so you wouldnt understand unless you really follow this team..
Follow? No. Watch? Yes.

Alot? I dont know about that. Not many 32 year olds have ALOT left in the tank.


He's been a leader on this team and has def help bring winning culture back..
Build leaders, dont trade 1st round picks for them. Espically when they are in their 30's.....

The 49ers DRAFTED their leader in Patrick Willis. He'll be with them for the next 5 years.

And yes we had a great draft last year, but I'm judging things based on previous track records.. we took chances with some BUSTS in tha 1st rounds so this was a solid move for Oak.. we had one of tha best DLines this season...
A team should NEVER trade a 1st round pick because of the past picks. Fuck it, trade every pick for a proven player and see how far that gets them. To be a constantly good playoff team, you must build through the draft.

of course only a non raider fan would think this wasnt a good move for Oak,, everybody in football knows it was.... Seymours far from washed up.. once he gets a contract extension he'll have plenty more good seasons in Oak just watch kid
LMAO @ everybody in football. Like you know everybody in football kid. And thinking that end of career means washed up, shows how smart you really are kid.

Seymour doesnt want to be in Oakland. 2 years and he signed his extension when? Punching QB's and hurting your team, is really showing how much he wants to be there........
 
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LOL Where did I assume that the pick played the same position as Seymour? I said draft a 22-23 year old to BUILD around.
Then why even bring itup? A draft pick is a draft pick, and it doesnt need to be in the first round to build around a player.

The Patriots trading the pick is a mute point. Trading the pick for more picks is only making the trade better for the Patriots.
A "mute" point? You mean, MOOT point?

Either way, you missed the point of what i was saying, moot or not.

The Raiders are assuming that he wants to play for them.(Doesnt look like it since they cant sign him) They are also assuming that he doesnt get injuried.
Neither you nor I know WHAT the Raiders were/are assuming. The only thing we KNOW, is that they obviously had INTEREST in him, and they did what was necessary to acquire him. Nothing more.

The way of the NFL now, is building through the draft.
Captain Obvious, is that you?

But again, you are assuming that the Raiders were in re-build mode.

Have the Patriots missed a beat since all their older, aging players have left or retired?
I thought we were talking about the Seymour trade and the assumptions you put on what went down?

How did the Raiders become a .500 team?
That has nothing with what you and I are debating.

Having a solid draft class of starters that they will have for the next 5-6 years. It took the Saints how long to recover are the Ricky Williams draft day trade?
Again, this has nothing to do with what I brought up.

If the Raiders want to be better NOW and become a .500 team, then yes, that was a good trade. But for building a winning team for the future? Nope.
Because they gave up a draft pick or too? Really? Do you know how many 1st round draft picks the Pats have had in the last decade? Do you know how many times they have traded OUT of the first round?

Even so, that has NOTHING to do with what I brought up.
 
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Seymour doesnt want to be in Oakland. 2 years and he signed his extension when? Punching QB's and hurting your team, is really showing how much he wants to be there........
you showed me you have absolutely no idea what your talking about..
coming from tha mans mouth himself

"It's a great place to play," he said. "The fans are unlike any others in the league. They're definitely committed, and they want the same type (of) players to play in this organization. The history of being here, the mystique of putting that silver and black on and representing the Raiders, it's been a lifelong dream for me, and hopefully it continues."
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b7P14

soo jus stick to following your pansy 40whiners
 
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The Krafts are running their organization in New England almost flawlessly. The guys in Atlanta and Kansas City who were once part of the Patriots organization have already brought that winning culture to their organizations.
 
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And that's why the Patriots will continue to contend for Superbowls and the Raiders will be the Raiders. :classic:
um okay? tha pats would be contending for SBs w/ or w/o Seymour.. what was tha point of that?? as someone else stated tha pats usually trade out of tha 1st rounds regardless.. and yet look how successful they continue to be.. as long as they got Bill and T. Brady they'll continue being in the playoffs each year
 

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you showed me you have absolutely no idea what your talking about..
coming from tha mans mouth himself

"It's a great place to play," he said. "The fans are unlike any others in the league. They're definitely committed, and they want the same type (of) players to play in this organization. The history of being here, the mystique of putting that silver and black on and representing the Raiders, it's been a lifelong dream for me, and hopefully it continues."
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b7P14

soo jus stick to following your pansy 40whiners
Not signing an extension speaks louder then any bullshit you jus posted.

How many employees talk shit about their employers? Especially when their being paid 10's of millions of dollars.

Its funny of all the things your bitch ass points out, its that..........
 
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I was also thinking that we usually fuck up the first round anyways because I always think of Russell. But I looked it up
2010 - Rolando McClain... Bust? Nope.
2009 - Heyward-Bey... Bust? So far he hasn't done much, but he just got a steady QB.

and for the rest I found this link.
http://www.examiner.com/oakland-raiders-in-oakland/decade-of-oakland-raider-first-round-draft-picks

Looks like we do alright in the first round but fuck it. We needed Seymour to help out Kelly and Shaughnessy.
 
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yeah I agree he's one of the best dlinemen in the league, but why would you think the Pats would trade him away? He's gotta be getting over the hill pretty soon don't you think?
The traded him because their trying to make the team younger, overall. Simple as that.

But both teams did very well with the trade.
 

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Not signing an extension speaks louder then any bullshit you jus posted.

How many employees talk shit about their employers? Especially when their being paid 10's of millions of dollars.

Its funny of all the things your bitch ass points out, its that..........
lmfao @ the quote. if it was his lifelong dream to play for the raiders, he wouldnt have pulled the shit he did when he was traded.....
 
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Not signing an extension speaks louder then any bullshit you jus posted.

How many employees talk shit about their employers? Especially when their being paid 10's of millions of dollars.

Its funny of all the things your bitch ass points out, its that..........
I'd believe shit that comes out of Seymours mouth before anything that comes from some square L7 ass internet poster like your self.. stick to your pansy team when you dont kno shit ur talkn about
 

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I'd believe shit that comes out of Seymours mouth before anything that comes from some square L7 ass internet poster like your self.. stick to your pansy team when you dont kno shit ur talkn about
LMAO @ this faggot ass traider delusional.


"Square L7 ass internet poster" is comedy. Thats some 3rd grade comeback type of shit. Grow up little kid and get off your parents computer.....