1 thing i DIDNT feel about the Frontline Interview w/ Big Von...

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May 5, 2002
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I wont touch on the good shit of the interview cuz thats already been covered in another post. THe one thing I wasnt feeling and have a grievance with is when Locksmith was whining about how New York people perceive the hyphy/bay movement. He was goin on about NY ppl thinkin its just a bunch of hype with no quality, and that they were gettin lost in the image of the sideshow or dreads shakin blah blah, apparently taking the video appeal more seriously than the lyrical talent.

So my issue with that is WHO GIVES A FUCK what they think!
As I remember back in 97 when the whole No Limit/Cash Money & general southern explosion took off, mf's in NY were pretty much clownin for the same reasons. Sayin it was all flash and no substance. No lyrical ability. But we see that those mf's didnt switch their shit up to conform to what New York likes or thinks and now the south has greater pull that NY has had in damn near a decade! So why should we (the bay area) give a fuck what people in New York think? DO we have to conform to their standards to make it big or do we say fuck and ride with whats our trademark and see if it takes us to the top in its pure form.

It looks like Locksmith might be a NY dick rider and only concerned with making them like our sound. Who gives a fuck what NY people think. If we start clockin sells that make $$ we'll do the same just like ATL, New Orleans, Houston & Memphis did.
Our MO is pimpin, dealin and stunnin, just like the south's is all about blingin and strip clubs. We need to stick with it and stay with the lyrics and producers and watch it explode. Shit trip on how Juvenile made it big with a song called, HA. I remember back on this board here (THE ORIGINAL BART!) people clownin him and Cash Money for the same reasons ppl in NY did and look what came outta that.... MILLIONZ!

And one thing i wanna throw in about the face of music today. Its not so much the artists, its on the producer. If the Bay can have its own Pharell, Timbaland, Swiss Beats or Lil Jon, we will blow up. Lyrical potential rarely gets u anywhere without a good beat maker/producer doin your shit.
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locksmith seems to come from a more hip hop background

rappers like that have a great deal of respect for new york

i agree we should have our own thing and not care but at the same time i can feel where hes coming from
 
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Locksmith is Probably one of the best rappers lyrically in the game and he sees how people with no lyrics and trash songs are makin it while true talent is being passed up..
 
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4fifteenRolla said:
. He was goin on about NY ppl thinkin its just a bunch of hype with no quality, and that they were gettin lost in the image of the sideshow or dreads shakin blah blah, apparently taking the video appeal more seriously than the lyrical talent.

Shit trip on how Juvenile made it big with a song called, HA. I remember back on this board here (THE ORIGINAL BART!) people clownin him and Cash Money for the same reasons ppl in NY did and look what came outta that.... MILLIONZ!

Lyrical potential rarely gets u anywhere without a good beat maker/producer doin your shit.
Need I say 50cent?
Just curious, so you basically want the Bay Area to blow up even if it means artists putting out trendy garbage material backed by a hot beat?? It seems like you're more concerened with making "MILLIONZ". Why? You're not the one getting paid.

So you would support trendy crap just because its trendy crap from THE BAY, just because you are from the Bay??

Crap is crap, and good music is good music, no matter what region it comes from.
 
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its not about making millions.. well it is for the artists and labels.

What it means is we will have our trendy shit and our quality shit. but 4 mf's to be stuck up about what NY critics think is dumb. Im sayin lets not change what we do best to make others like us. The Bay traditionally hasnt only focused on beat or lyrics its always been both, depending on the artist.

and if im not wrong, the "tendy garbage material backed by a hot beat" is what we hear on the radio and see on tv. whats so wrong about that if we aim to be played on those same stations and then probably have em featured on bay cd's?
 
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man... name 1 NY nigga outside of 50 (who is damn near a LA nigga now. lol) thats sellin. fuck what NY thinks. im a bay nigga but i moved 2 brooklyn about 3 years ago and when im there i do me... fuck what they think. they ran rap 4 years and nobody was tellin them how 2 rap they shit or what we wasnt feelin and what not.... now that we (the bay) startin 2 shine we gone let them tell us how 2 rock????? fuck outta here! oh and in case yall was thinkin busta rhymes was sellin millions right now... think again, he's gold.... which is good but come on now.....
 
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was he talking about NY as in NY niggas or was he talkin about NY as in the home of all the major labels, magazines and T.V.networks? I took it like he was talking about the industry. I will say this...the Bay has had "Hyphy" as a music style to be bought in stores for 3 years and in that respect the Bay ain't feelin Hyphy.
 
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What's with the "our" this and the "our" that? Are you an artist and I just haven't heard of you?

4fifteenRolla said:
DO we have to conform to their standards to make it big or do we say fuck and ride with whats our trademark and see if it takes us to the top in its pure form.
A couple of things wrong wit this statement:

1) Everybody aint ridin with the "trademark"
2) Callin it a "trademark"

The problem with the bay and this "trademark" is that it has (the trademark) pretty much been played out already because no one has done anything original with it. This is a by-product of the bay not being in the spotlight for so long. Now that a gimmick (excuse me, "trademark") has surfaced, putting the bay area music scene in a bit of a national spotlight, EVERYBODY and their mama is trying to capitalize. From established cats to no names. Unfortunately 88% of these cats ridin with the "trademark" have ZE-RO talent. Not that it takes talent to talk about the same 5 things over a dry ass drumtrack, but that's besides the point...

The lack of talent shows when you can do a search and find 12 songs with "Stunna Shades" in the title. A lot of these dudes don't know how to create music, they just know how to Master P some shit. Wait for another cat to do somethin successful then try to flood the market with something similar in hopes to capitalize on the success of the original idea.

This is the problem, not that Locksmith cares what NY thinks about our "trademark". Just as easy as you say who gives a fuck what NY thinks, who gives a fuck that YOU aint feelin that Locksmith cares what NY thinks?

Who really gives a fuck that I'M pointin all this shit out to y'all? :ermm:
 
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nah homie im not an artist. but to exclude myself from apart of the bay scene because im a fan is on dumb grounds. Essentially w/ that anyone that hasnt been heard isnt apart of bay rap scene, and that would exclude 90% of the "rappers" and "producers" that flood this site.. so thats who I am, the mf'n silent majority.
 
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MrPeete said:
What's with the "our" this and the "our" that? Are you an artist and I just haven't heard of you?



A couple of things wrong wit this statement:

1) Everybody aint ridin with the "trademark"
2) Callin it a "trademark"

The problem with the bay and this "trademark" is that it has (the trademark) pretty much been played out already because no one has done anything original with it. This is a by-product of the bay not being in the spotlight for so long. Now that a gimmick (excuse me, "trademark") has surfaced, putting the bay area music scene in a bit of a national spotlight, EVERYBODY and their mama is trying to capitalize. From established cats to no names. Unfortunately 88% of these cats ridin with the "trademark" have ZE-RO talent. Not that it takes talent to talk about the same 5 things over a dry ass drumtrack, but that's besides the point...

The lack of talent shows when you can do a search and find 12 songs with "Stunna Shades" in the title. A lot of these dudes don't know how to create music, they just know how to Master P some shit. Wait for another cat to do somethin successful then try to flood the market with something similar in hopes to capitalize on the success of the original idea.

This is the problem, not that Locksmith cares what NY thinks about our "trademark". Just as easy as you say who gives a fuck what NY thinks, who gives a fuck that YOU aint feelin that Locksmith cares what NY thinks?

Who really gives a fuck that I'M pointin all this shit out to y'all? :ermm:
Rappers in the Bay are becoming what the Bay complained about for many years...unoriginal and following a trend. Now I think that there is a need for trendy shit, but it doesn't need to be at the forefront of a "movement". Trends fade fast and the Hyphy buzz is quickly loosing it's steam in and outside of the Bay. REGULAR NON BAY HEAD PEOPLE are getting sick of the same old same old and from being on here SO IS THE BAY DIE HARD FANS. Maybe if there was some balance we wouldn't be burnt out on Hyphy after just 2 or 3 summers.
 
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Zion I and The Grouch - Heroes in the City of Dope drops Tuesday!!

Some of the few original cats left in the bay.

Lock is the truth. We all "want" the bay to go mainstream, but for the people that aint doin Hyphy shit but are doing stuff that could actually appeal to the masses (i.e. Frontline), they automatically get typecasted as a bunch of dreadheaded hyphy douche bags, when that definitely is not what Frontline is.
 
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MAN WHY IS IT THAT THE BAY IS NEVER HAPPY WITH SHIT?! EVERYBODY WAS TALKIN BOUT HOW THE BAY NEEDS ATTENTION AND THIS RAPPER IS HOT AND THAT RAPPER IS HOT BUT "THEY" (THE REST OF THE WORLD) JUS DONT GIVE THEM CREDIT. AND THEN WHEN THE WHOLE HYPHY MOVEMENT STARTS AND OTHER PEOPLE ARE CATCHIN ON, IM HEARIN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN THE BAY TALKIN BOUT HOW THE HYPHY SHIT IS CORNY, AND HOW ITS NOT GONNA LAST. SO WHAT IF THE SHIT DONT LAST, BE HAPPY WHILE IT IS POPPIN.
 
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damn the bay is one of the most diverse regions there is.. people just conatantly forget you got everything from ultra backpacker emo to the dirtiest mobb..

people focus on one side of it and stamp it the whole bay
 
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my only complaint about the bay is that every hyphy song is the fucking same thing! At least come up with some origional lines, how many times are people going to be riding the yellow bus that shit was cool the first time I heard it but 15 songs later it gets old!!!! I love a lot of this hyphy shit, but some of it is getting quite repetitive.

Frontline is coming back with some next level shit and its going to keep the bay fresh!