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Maidana rules out future Pacquiao fight, wants to welcome Garcia to 147lbs
Phil D Jay
16 April 2015
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Hardened Argentinian puncher Marcos Maidana isn't confident of landing a fight with Manny Pacquiao should the Filipino lose against Floyd Mayweather on May 2 and has instead set his sights on avenging compatriot Lucas Matthysse's loss to Danny Garica.
The 31 year-old has taken an extended break from the sport since being defeated twice by pound for pound king Mayweather in 2014 as Maidana prepares to tie the knot with fiancé Mariana later this month.
Reflecting on his performances against Mayweather, the first one of which he was highly praised for, Maidana was very honest in his assessment as 'Chino' weighs up what will be a very important next step in his career later this year.
"I think it was a great experience," Maidana told World Boxing News.
"Before the first fight almost nobody would give me any chance, not only to win the fight, but to win more than three rounds. I proved that I have what it take to fight at the very highest level, but am I happy with that? - No.
"Mayweather has proven to be the best fighter in the last few decades so I'm not going to be that tough on myself - just because I couldn't beat the best.
"I have always said that any boxer always works in his career to face the best names like Mayweather and also Pacquiao, not just boxing-wise but economically-wise. Real fighters want to try themselves against the very best amd I am no different. However, I don't think a fight with Manny would happen even if he lost to Mayweather.
"Danny Garcia is the one I want. I've already said that a few months ago, but now Danny has been criticized about his win against Peterson. I enjoy facing fighters that not only like to box but also to engage and don't run that much. Danny is one of them. He fights and I fight so it would be an entertaining bout for the fans.
"On top of that, Danny beat my fellow countryman Lucas Matthysse and I want to avenge that for my country. I would give Garcia a nice welcome to the welterweight division if he doesn't rematch Peterson," he added.
Another option for Maidana could well be a second fight with Adrien Broner, whom he dominated the first time they met in December 2013, as 'The Problem' has made a successful comeback and is known to harbour hopes of his own revenge.
Maidana may have to wait until Broner fulfils his dream of becoming a four-weight world champion down at 140lbs first, but that fight is certainly one that would engage the fans attention whether it happens again this year or next.
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Hardened Argentinian puncher Marcos Maidana isn't confident of landing a fight with Manny Pacquiao should the Filipino lose against Floyd Mayweather on May 2 and has instead set his sights on avenging compatriot Lucas Matthysse's loss to Danny Garica.
The 31 year-old has taken an extended break from the sport since being defeated twice by pound for pound king Mayweather in 2014 as Maidana prepares to tie the knot with fiancé Mariana later this month.
Reflecting on his performances against Mayweather, the first one of which he was highly praised for, Maidana was very honest in his assessment as 'Chino' weighs up what will be a very important next step in his career later this year.
"I think it was a great experience," Maidana told World Boxing News.
"Before the first fight almost nobody would give me any chance, not only to win the fight, but to win more than three rounds. I proved that I have what it take to fight at the very highest level, but am I happy with that? - No.
"Mayweather has proven to be the best fighter in the last few decades so I'm not going to be that tough on myself - just because I couldn't beat the best.
"I have always said that any boxer always works in his career to face the best names like Mayweather and also Pacquiao, not just boxing-wise but economically-wise. Real fighters want to try themselves against the very best amd I am no different. However, I don't think a fight with Manny would happen even if he lost to Mayweather.
"Danny Garcia is the one I want. I've already said that a few months ago, but now Danny has been criticized about his win against Peterson. I enjoy facing fighters that not only like to box but also to engage and don't run that much. Danny is one of them. He fights and I fight so it would be an entertaining bout for the fans.
"On top of that, Danny beat my fellow countryman Lucas Matthysse and I want to avenge that for my country. I would give Garcia a nice welcome to the welterweight division if he doesn't rematch Peterson," he added.
Another option for Maidana could well be a second fight with Adrien Broner, whom he dominated the first time they met in December 2013, as 'The Problem' has made a successful comeback and is known to harbour hopes of his own revenge.
Maidana may have to wait until Broner fulfils his dream of becoming a four-weight world champion down at 140lbs first, but that fight is certainly one that would engage the fans attention whether it happens again this year or next.
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Danny Garcia’s career: Do the stats lie?
date April 17th, 2015 | Post Comment - 75 Comments
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garcia955By Robbie Bannatyne: ‘There are three types of lies. Lies, damned lies and statistics.’ Although this quote was popularized by Mark Twain, the actual origins of the saying remain unclear.
However, if you watched Danny Garcia’s fight against Lamont Peterson last weekend, it is clear that whoever coined the phrase is on point. Statistics definitely can lie. In the case of Danny Garcia’s career, the statistics are misleading at best and outright lies at worst.
Although Garcia still woke up on Sunday morning as an undefeated, double world champion at 140lb, the harsh reality is that he should have at least one blemish on his boxing record. Whilst the Philadelphia fighter is yet to lose a fight officially, his undefeated record stands in stark contrast to his stock in the boxing world, which has diminished massively over the course of his last three fights.
As the great Bob Marley sang, ‘you can fool some people sometimes time but you can’t fool all the people all the time’. For the boxing fans who refuse to be fooled by the fallacy of Danny Garcia’s undented ring record, they will believe that he is living on borrowed time.
To distil Danny Garcia’s problems into simple terms: his body is too big to make the 10 stone limit but too small to move up to 147lb. He is still a big fish at 140lb, but even so, the fear factor he once had has disappeared, and in the shark infested waters of the welterweight division he would be way down the food chain. If he is struggling to cope with the top fighters at light welterweight, he will be thrown of the cliff if and when he encounters the cream of the crop at 147lb.
His future opponents, whether at 140lb or 147lb, will now be smelling blood and there is no way they will be as bashful as Lamont Peterson was in the 1st half of their bout last Saturday night. It stands to reason that Lamont Peterson could have cruised to a comprehensive point’s win or stoppage victory if only he hadn’t shown Garcia so much respect in the opening 6 rounds.
Regardless of the fact he was bailed out by the judges, the perception of Garcia post-Peterson is that he is ripe for the picking. Fighters who were hitherto intimidated by his reputation will now be tenacious in the face of his fading star. After riding his luck against Mauricio Herrera and Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia cannot throw his faith in the hands of fortune any longer- he must find another way to regain his luster.
Sure, a few familiar Al Haymon flavored mismatches may restore his shattered confidence in the interim, but it will just delay his inevitable fate of having to face the top fighter who will fancy their chances big time against Garcia.
To be sure, Danny Garcia still has a place at the top table of boxing, with a healthy pile of chips. However, the way he plays his next few hands will have major ramifications for the rest of his career.
There is only so long you can perpetuate the lie and manipulate the facts with misleading statistics. Sooner or later, the truth will be revealed when a top fighter renders Danny Garcia’s undefeated record redundant by removing the judges from the equation and handing him a decisive loss.
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garcia955By Robbie Bannatyne: ‘There are three types of lies. Lies, damned lies and statistics.’ Although this quote was popularized by Mark Twain, the actual origins of the saying remain unclear.
However, if you watched Danny Garcia’s fight against Lamont Peterson last weekend, it is clear that whoever coined the phrase is on point. Statistics definitely can lie. In the case of Danny Garcia’s career, the statistics are misleading at best and outright lies at worst.
Although Garcia still woke up on Sunday morning as an undefeated, double world champion at 140lb, the harsh reality is that he should have at least one blemish on his boxing record. Whilst the Philadelphia fighter is yet to lose a fight officially, his undefeated record stands in stark contrast to his stock in the boxing world, which has diminished massively over the course of his last three fights.
As the great Bob Marley sang, ‘you can fool some people sometimes time but you can’t fool all the people all the time’. For the boxing fans who refuse to be fooled by the fallacy of Danny Garcia’s undented ring record, they will believe that he is living on borrowed time.
To distil Danny Garcia’s problems into simple terms: his body is too big to make the 10 stone limit but too small to move up to 147lb. He is still a big fish at 140lb, but even so, the fear factor he once had has disappeared, and in the shark infested waters of the welterweight division he would be way down the food chain. If he is struggling to cope with the top fighters at light welterweight, he will be thrown of the cliff if and when he encounters the cream of the crop at 147lb.
His future opponents, whether at 140lb or 147lb, will now be smelling blood and there is no way they will be as bashful as Lamont Peterson was in the 1st half of their bout last Saturday night. It stands to reason that Lamont Peterson could have cruised to a comprehensive point’s win or stoppage victory if only he hadn’t shown Garcia so much respect in the opening 6 rounds.
Regardless of the fact he was bailed out by the judges, the perception of Garcia post-Peterson is that he is ripe for the picking. Fighters who were hitherto intimidated by his reputation will now be tenacious in the face of his fading star. After riding his luck against Mauricio Herrera and Lamont Peterson, Danny Garcia cannot throw his faith in the hands of fortune any longer- he must find another way to regain his luster.
Sure, a few familiar Al Haymon flavored mismatches may restore his shattered confidence in the interim, but it will just delay his inevitable fate of having to face the top fighter who will fancy their chances big time against Garcia.
To be sure, Danny Garcia still has a place at the top table of boxing, with a healthy pile of chips. However, the way he plays his next few hands will have major ramifications for the rest of his career.
There is only so long you can perpetuate the lie and manipulate the facts with misleading statistics. Sooner or later, the truth will be revealed when a top fighter renders Danny Garcia’s undefeated record redundant by removing the judges from the equation and handing him a decisive loss.
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48 years ago today 2 HOF'ers met for the first time in what would become a 3 fight series. Nino Benvenuti fight middleweight champion Emile Griffith in the 1967 fight of the year. Dope fight & it's good quality. If you haven't seen it check it out..
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Arum: Terence Crawford will be the new superstar after Mayweather and Pacquiao retire
date April 18th, 2015 | Post Comment - 22 Comments
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By Dan Ambrose: Former WBO lightweight champion Terence Crawford (25-0, 17 KOs) will be in the ring tonight in a fight for the vacant WBO light welterweight title against #5 WBO contender Thomas Dulorme (22-1, 14 KOs) on HBO Championship Boxing at the University of Texas, in Arlington, Texas, USA.
The World Boxing Organization are throwing the 27-year-old Crawford a bone by sanctioning this fight for the WBO 140 pound title rather than insisting that Crawford fight Chris Algieri, Ruslan Provodnikov or Lucas Matthysse, who are ranked in the top three, rather than Dulorme.
Crawford matches up better against Dulorme than he does against those three fighters, and he has a much better chance of winning a belt than he would if he had to face a big puncher or a slick operator.
Top Rank promoter Bob Arum believes that Crawford has the talent to become a superstar and take over for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. when the two of them retire from boxing in a year or two. Having seen Crawford’s less than compelling performances during his career against the likes of Raymundo Beltran and Breidis Prescott. Crawford did a lot of holding in those fights, and it was real boring stuff from him. The performances were far from what you would expect from a future superstar. It’s not as if he was really young at that point. He’s pushing 28, and a fighter normally has shown by this point in his career whether he’s got to the talent to be a superstar or not.
“We believe Terence is the emerging rising superstar in boxing so that when Floyd and Manny shortly, pretty shortly, hang up there gloves they will be missed but not as much because there will be this new superstar on the horizon in Terrence Crawford,” Arum said via Fightnews.com.
Arum says that Crawford will be moving up to 147 in the near future to look for bigger fights because there aren’t a lot of opportunities for big fights for him at 140. Al Haymon has many of the top fighters at 140, and Arum doesn’t have enough guys in his stable in that weight class to match Crawford up against too many guys.
Speaking about Crawford’s fight against Dulorme tonight, Arum said “This is a very, very crucial first step for Terence to join that really elite group of fighters and we have confidence in Terence.”
I don’t think beating Dulorme, a fighter who was already stopped by Luis Carlos Abregu, is going to turn Crawford into a superstar. Far from it. Beating Dulorme is likely going to keep Crawford exactly where he is right now in terms of becoming the next star. If Arum wants Crawford to become a huge star, he needs to sit him down and tell him to top holding a lot, and be more aggressive offensively. He’s got good skills, but he sits and waits too much to land punches. Crawford doesn’t have the hand speed that Mayweather and Pacquiao have, and he’s not nearly as interesting to fight.
The constant holding and waiting around that he does makes him even less compelling to watch. Arum also needs to match Crawford against better opposition. He’s not going to become a superstar on the cheap by matching him against the likes of Beltran and Dulorme. Crawford is going to need to fight guys like Marcos Maidana, Amir Khan, Lucas Matthysse, Kell Brook, and Keith Thurman if he wants to become a superstar. Putting Crawford in with Tim Bradley and Brandon Rios, two of Arum’s Top Rank stable fighters at 147, isn’t going to be enough.
Crawford needs to face the actual top fighters at 147. After seeing Crawford get staggered by Yuriorkis Gamboa in their fight in 2014, I think Keith Thurman and Maidana would either knock Crawford out or make him look really, really bad in beating him. If Crawford had to clinch constantly against those fighters in order to keep from getting knocked out that further keep him from becoming a star. He would have to really put it on the line against the top stars at 147 to become a star, and beat them while looking impressive.
Besides Crawford’s limitations in power and fighting style, he likely wouldn’t ever face guys like Thurman, Maidana and Amir Khan because they’re not with Top Rank. Unfortunately for Crawford, unless he fights those guys he’s probably never going to become a superstar. He can beat Bradley, Thurman and Mike Alvarado, three of Arum’s fighters, over and over again and still never become a superstar. Those guys aren’t going to get Crawford to the next level.
With Arum’s No.1 fighter Manny Pacquiao talking about retiring after one or two more fights, you can expect Arum to rush a Pacquiao vs. Crawford fight before Pacquiao retires, even though it’s not a fight that the casual boxing fans would be interested in seeing. It wouldn’t be a huge money maker despite the fact that Crawford is unbeaten. If Pacquiao wanted to maximize his income in his last remaining fights of his career, he should be looking to face Mayweather in a rematch, and then fight the likes of Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Amir Khan or Kell Brook. Fighting Crawford would likely be the equivalent of Pacquiao fighting Algieri or Brandon Rios again.
I wouldn’t put it past Arum to push hard to have Pacquiao fight Crawford in order for Pacquiao to put his Midas touch on him to make him a bigger name. If Crawford could beat Pacquiao, it could in theory make him a star. The problem is that Pacquiao would likely walk right through Crawford’s shots and give him a beating in the process of knocking him out. That obviously wouldn’t help Crawford become a superstar. It would be a gamble on Arum’s part in putting Crawford in with Pacquiao. About the best that Arum could hope for is for Crawford to look good in losing the fight to Pacquiao. That means no holding like we saw from Crawford in his fight against Beltran, and more offense from him instead of his usual counter punching.
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By Dan Ambrose: Former WBO lightweight champion Terence Crawford (25-0, 17 KOs) will be in the ring tonight in a fight for the vacant WBO light welterweight title against #5 WBO contender Thomas Dulorme (22-1, 14 KOs) on HBO Championship Boxing at the University of Texas, in Arlington, Texas, USA.
The World Boxing Organization are throwing the 27-year-old Crawford a bone by sanctioning this fight for the WBO 140 pound title rather than insisting that Crawford fight Chris Algieri, Ruslan Provodnikov or Lucas Matthysse, who are ranked in the top three, rather than Dulorme.
Crawford matches up better against Dulorme than he does against those three fighters, and he has a much better chance of winning a belt than he would if he had to face a big puncher or a slick operator.
Top Rank promoter Bob Arum believes that Crawford has the talent to become a superstar and take over for Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. when the two of them retire from boxing in a year or two. Having seen Crawford’s less than compelling performances during his career against the likes of Raymundo Beltran and Breidis Prescott. Crawford did a lot of holding in those fights, and it was real boring stuff from him. The performances were far from what you would expect from a future superstar. It’s not as if he was really young at that point. He’s pushing 28, and a fighter normally has shown by this point in his career whether he’s got to the talent to be a superstar or not.
“We believe Terence is the emerging rising superstar in boxing so that when Floyd and Manny shortly, pretty shortly, hang up there gloves they will be missed but not as much because there will be this new superstar on the horizon in Terrence Crawford,” Arum said via Fightnews.com.
Arum says that Crawford will be moving up to 147 in the near future to look for bigger fights because there aren’t a lot of opportunities for big fights for him at 140. Al Haymon has many of the top fighters at 140, and Arum doesn’t have enough guys in his stable in that weight class to match Crawford up against too many guys.
Speaking about Crawford’s fight against Dulorme tonight, Arum said “This is a very, very crucial first step for Terence to join that really elite group of fighters and we have confidence in Terence.”
I don’t think beating Dulorme, a fighter who was already stopped by Luis Carlos Abregu, is going to turn Crawford into a superstar. Far from it. Beating Dulorme is likely going to keep Crawford exactly where he is right now in terms of becoming the next star. If Arum wants Crawford to become a huge star, he needs to sit him down and tell him to top holding a lot, and be more aggressive offensively. He’s got good skills, but he sits and waits too much to land punches. Crawford doesn’t have the hand speed that Mayweather and Pacquiao have, and he’s not nearly as interesting to fight.
The constant holding and waiting around that he does makes him even less compelling to watch. Arum also needs to match Crawford against better opposition. He’s not going to become a superstar on the cheap by matching him against the likes of Beltran and Dulorme. Crawford is going to need to fight guys like Marcos Maidana, Amir Khan, Lucas Matthysse, Kell Brook, and Keith Thurman if he wants to become a superstar. Putting Crawford in with Tim Bradley and Brandon Rios, two of Arum’s Top Rank stable fighters at 147, isn’t going to be enough.
Crawford needs to face the actual top fighters at 147. After seeing Crawford get staggered by Yuriorkis Gamboa in their fight in 2014, I think Keith Thurman and Maidana would either knock Crawford out or make him look really, really bad in beating him. If Crawford had to clinch constantly against those fighters in order to keep from getting knocked out that further keep him from becoming a star. He would have to really put it on the line against the top stars at 147 to become a star, and beat them while looking impressive.
Besides Crawford’s limitations in power and fighting style, he likely wouldn’t ever face guys like Thurman, Maidana and Amir Khan because they’re not with Top Rank. Unfortunately for Crawford, unless he fights those guys he’s probably never going to become a superstar. He can beat Bradley, Thurman and Mike Alvarado, three of Arum’s fighters, over and over again and still never become a superstar. Those guys aren’t going to get Crawford to the next level.
With Arum’s No.1 fighter Manny Pacquiao talking about retiring after one or two more fights, you can expect Arum to rush a Pacquiao vs. Crawford fight before Pacquiao retires, even though it’s not a fight that the casual boxing fans would be interested in seeing. It wouldn’t be a huge money maker despite the fact that Crawford is unbeaten. If Pacquiao wanted to maximize his income in his last remaining fights of his career, he should be looking to face Mayweather in a rematch, and then fight the likes of Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Amir Khan or Kell Brook. Fighting Crawford would likely be the equivalent of Pacquiao fighting Algieri or Brandon Rios again.
I wouldn’t put it past Arum to push hard to have Pacquiao fight Crawford in order for Pacquiao to put his Midas touch on him to make him a bigger name. If Crawford could beat Pacquiao, it could in theory make him a star. The problem is that Pacquiao would likely walk right through Crawford’s shots and give him a beating in the process of knocking him out. That obviously wouldn’t help Crawford become a superstar. It would be a gamble on Arum’s part in putting Crawford in with Pacquiao. About the best that Arum could hope for is for Crawford to look good in losing the fight to Pacquiao. That means no holding like we saw from Crawford in his fight against Beltran, and more offense from him instead of his usual counter punching.
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It's because Crawford was the WBO 135 champ when he moved up. It's been a rule of the WBO, and other sanctioning bodies, for a long time now that if a champion moves up in weight, they get an automatic crack at that belts title holder, in this case it was vacant and the highest ranked guy available steps in. A good example is when Joan Guzman was champ at 130, moved up and got a crack at Nate Campbell (Guzman missed weight and the fight ended up being cancelled but you get the idea).
