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Gavin Rees was breaking through Broners defense before the inevitable size advantage kicked in. Paulie broke through his defense. Maidana. Ponce de leon.
The thing with Broner is he freezes when the opponents are throwing punches. He doesn't really counter or move his feet, he's like in quicksand. That's why Molina was a fucking idiot for fighting like that. He fought exactly the way broner likes it - standing in front of him with a bit of distance not throwing any punches. Anyone who throws combos and moves gives broner problems. Anyone who applies pressure and is a volume puncher will give him pressure. He's defense isn't all that
The thing with Broner is he freezes when the opponents are throwing punches. He doesn't really counter or move his feet, he's like in quicksand. That's why Molina was a fucking idiot for fighting like that. He fought exactly the way broner likes it - standing in front of him with a bit of distance not throwing any punches. Anyone who throws combos and moves gives broner problems. Anyone who applies pressure and is a volume puncher will give him pressure. He's defense isn't all that
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You think that means we're going to see "PBC" belts?
So basically the UFC model.
So basically the UFC model.
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Man I honestly just don't think it would work in boxing for the same reasons I was saying that article about Haymon not showing his face ruining the whole thing is ridiculous. They can call Deontay Wilder the heavyweight champion of the world all they want, we all know it's not true.
I wouldn't mind if we can somehow get it to one champion per division, don't really care what you call him. It's weird though, they're clearly trying to accumulate championships regardless of what they say. There'd be no point in Lee Vs. Quillin besides Quillin winning the WBO title. He set up Kameda Vs. McDonnell for a ridiculous eliminator when McDonnell has one of these lesser WBA titles and Payano has the actual title. Paying sanctioning fees to the WBC for Garcia's title in a non title fight.
Who knows what the hell they're trying to do. Keep putting on good fights and I'm good. I just think people will always know who the real champions in the divisions are.
I wouldn't mind if we can somehow get it to one champion per division, don't really care what you call him. It's weird though, they're clearly trying to accumulate championships regardless of what they say. There'd be no point in Lee Vs. Quillin besides Quillin winning the WBO title. He set up Kameda Vs. McDonnell for a ridiculous eliminator when McDonnell has one of these lesser WBA titles and Payano has the actual title. Paying sanctioning fees to the WBC for Garcia's title in a non title fight.
Who knows what the hell they're trying to do. Keep putting on good fights and I'm good. I just think people will always know who the real champions in the divisions are.
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Shit hope Thurman is ok...
Keith Thurman Taken Straight To Hospital After Bout
Posted by: Boxing Clever on 3/8/2015 .
MGM Grand, Las Vegas - Following his thrilling twelve round decision win over Robert Guerrero, WBA 'regular' welterweight champion Keith Thurman was rushed to the hospital. During the fight, Thurman suffered a huge hematoma on the left side of his forehead after a clash of heads. Thurman started feeling sick in the back and was taken over to the hospital to make sure he wasn't suffering from a concussion. Thurman's camp also suspected that he may have suffered a fracture around his left eye but there was no confirmation at the present of that injury.
Keith Thurman Taken Straight To Hospital After Bout
Posted by: Boxing Clever on 3/8/2015 .
MGM Grand, Las Vegas - Following his thrilling twelve round decision win over Robert Guerrero, WBA 'regular' welterweight champion Keith Thurman was rushed to the hospital. During the fight, Thurman suffered a huge hematoma on the left side of his forehead after a clash of heads. Thurman started feeling sick in the back and was taken over to the hospital to make sure he wasn't suffering from a concussion. Thurman's camp also suspected that he may have suffered a fracture around his left eye but there was no confirmation at the present of that injury.
It's good to be on both. I use TC more than WBVA, but there's a few shows that show up there that don't on TC. There's a guy that puts up every Sky Sports/BoxNation full broadcast in HD that don't always show up on TC and another that gets Japanese fights in good quality (a good bit after the fact, but still).
Only downside is they have way stricter ratio rules than TC and way less free leech.
Only downside is they have way stricter ratio rules than TC and way less free leech.
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206 you are hilarious kid. Your hate for Broner is worse than Battle's hate for Floyd/Haymon. Broner had an excellent performance and held Molina to like 2 punches per round lol. C level fighter my ass. Yea I like him and maybe he isnt the next big thing in boxing but he's much better than a c level fighter and he will be champ again. Your hatred and insults for him are to funny. Dude blames Molina's performance on Broner lol. Insted give credit where its due. But haters will be haters so hate on. Got Em!!
If they have established themselves as a credible brand then absolutely. I called all this shit years ago and kept asking you guys if you thought it was possible for him to form his own stable and pull away from others and he did exactly that. If casuals latch on to PBC then it's a wrap. You can forget the WBC, IBF, WBA, WBO, XXX, HHH, NAACP, KKK, NWO, CBW, ETC titles because the only one that will have brand visibility is the PBC title.
When you watched the guys come out to the ring you notice that they stood at the entrance for a bit and entered alone? That's by design, to give the fighter more visibility so people can get an idea of who he is and so it can give off the vibe of being about BOXING and not the glamour and glitz show shit that comes with boxing (long ass ring entrances with shit music, national anthems, long ass promo vids in between fights, etc.)
IMHO, it all comes down to the boxers. Can they outperform the fighters on FNF? Can they outperform those on SHO and HBO? If so, they can make PBC a household name like UFC. And at some point, the fights will have to be shown on PPV but HBO and SHO are not a requirement for that.
And while I respect their contributions and history, as it relates to boxing on TV, I don't think Leonard and Albert are the right guys on the mic.
When you watched the guys come out to the ring you notice that they stood at the entrance for a bit and entered alone? That's by design, to give the fighter more visibility so people can get an idea of who he is and so it can give off the vibe of being about BOXING and not the glamour and glitz show shit that comes with boxing (long ass ring entrances with shit music, national anthems, long ass promo vids in between fights, etc.)
IMHO, it all comes down to the boxers. Can they outperform the fighters on FNF? Can they outperform those on SHO and HBO? If so, they can make PBC a household name like UFC. And at some point, the fights will have to be shown on PPV but HBO and SHO are not a requirement for that.
And while I respect their contributions and history, as it relates to boxing on TV, I don't think Leonard and Albert are the right guys on the mic.
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206 I dont think you even realize when u hate on guys lol. U look at it more of a take on the fighter but trust me its easy to tell the fighters u dont like by your comments. Its fine to not like certain fighters but you seem to take things personal like that fighter fucced your sister or sumthin lol.
I agree Heresy that Albert & Leonard arent great commentators for this boxing thang. Marv needs to go call a Jordan hoop game lol. Would be dope if they could form a real dreamtime like for the May/Manny fight but those cats are under contract and aint goin nowhere. Got Em!!
I agree Heresy that Albert & Leonard arent great commentators for this boxing thang. Marv needs to go call a Jordan hoop game lol. Would be dope if they could form a real dreamtime like for the May/Manny fight but those cats are under contract and aint goin nowhere. Got Em!!
I think it worked for the UFC because MMA didn't have an established system in place when the UFC first started issuing belts. For the most part, they were MMA. You could argue PRIDE and that was really it.
It's not just SHO/HBO fighters they need to outperform. Who's gonna say Frampton & Rigondeaux aren't legitimate belt holders? There's entire divisions dominated by guys not signed to Haymon, that may definitely change in the future but it would have to involve PBC guys fighting non PBC guys.
He's definitely still trying to get his fighters major sanctioning body titles. Just look at the Lee/Quillin/Saunders situation. Saunders is the mandatory for the WBO, he accepted money to step aside and a guaranteed fight against the winner. Why go through all that trouble if you don't care about your guys having belts?
And I definitely agree about Leonard. Albert may just need to find his rhythm just being a color commentator, but Leonard should be breaking down what's happening and it honestly seemed like he hadn't seen any of these guys fight before was just giving out generic one liners. Albert could be just too far past it as well though.
It's not just SHO/HBO fighters they need to outperform. Who's gonna say Frampton & Rigondeaux aren't legitimate belt holders? There's entire divisions dominated by guys not signed to Haymon, that may definitely change in the future but it would have to involve PBC guys fighting non PBC guys.
He's definitely still trying to get his fighters major sanctioning body titles. Just look at the Lee/Quillin/Saunders situation. Saunders is the mandatory for the WBO, he accepted money to step aside and a guaranteed fight against the winner. Why go through all that trouble if you don't care about your guys having belts?
And I definitely agree about Leonard. Albert may just need to find his rhythm just being a color commentator, but Leonard should be breaking down what's happening and it honestly seemed like he hadn't seen any of these guys fight before was just giving out generic one liners. Albert could be just too far past it as well though.
I really don't see how any of my comments seem personal. I said he's a C class fighter, he's not that special, etc. Just because you disagree doesn't make those comments "hating". I actually wish he was better because his personality is great for ratings, he's got that polarizing personality that people love or hate. Good for the sport.
Anyways, looks like the ratings were pretty good keep in mind there is some speculation here with his translation of ratings to how many millions of viewers, but it seems solid to me.
NBC boxing peaks at a 3.1 rating, wins youth demographic
according to NBC's twitter the overnights averaged a rating of 2.5 peaking at 3.1 and won the 18-40 demographic for the night. It was also the most watched sport event on the weekend.
I'm not sure what the rating point equals but UFC on FOX 14 pulled a 1.4 rating point and that was 2.5 million people. UFC on FOX won pulled 5.7 million with a 4.0 rating point. These are also only overnights so they will likely be higher when they are fully counted tomorrow.
This is just a guess but if that is indeed just the rating point and not the actual number in millions then the over nights are probably at 4-5 million. If that is the case the full count might be 6 million. But that's only if it matches up with the UFC ratings. I don't really know.
NBCS
Overnight rating for PBC on NBC increased every half hour & peaked at 3.01 from 10:30-11pm ET for final 6 rounds of Thurman-Guerrero bout
Premier Boxing Champions debut show led NBC to broadcast primetime victory in Adults 18-49.
Anyways, looks like the ratings were pretty good keep in mind there is some speculation here with his translation of ratings to how many millions of viewers, but it seems solid to me.
NBC boxing peaks at a 3.1 rating, wins youth demographic
according to NBC's twitter the overnights averaged a rating of 2.5 peaking at 3.1 and won the 18-40 demographic for the night. It was also the most watched sport event on the weekend.
I'm not sure what the rating point equals but UFC on FOX 14 pulled a 1.4 rating point and that was 2.5 million people. UFC on FOX won pulled 5.7 million with a 4.0 rating point. These are also only overnights so they will likely be higher when they are fully counted tomorrow.
This is just a guess but if that is indeed just the rating point and not the actual number in millions then the over nights are probably at 4-5 million. If that is the case the full count might be 6 million. But that's only if it matches up with the UFC ratings. I don't really know.
NBCS
Overnight rating for PBC on NBC increased every half hour & peaked at 3.01 from 10:30-11pm ET for final 6 rounds of Thurman-Guerrero bout
Premier Boxing Champions debut show led NBC to broadcast primetime victory in Adults 18-49.
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You are correct about MMA not really having a system but you also have to realize that MMA didn't have the tv history like boxing does. In addition, while UFC competes with boxing, the real competition is the WWE and their business model (when it comes to ancillary goods and ppv) which UFC is trying to mimic (with success.)
While Frampton and Rigo are legit, and there are fighters that are not signed to Haymon, you then have to simply look at visibility. It will be a case of out of sight out of mind and it doesn't matter how good those guys are. If you read some of the tweets from some of the guys involved in hbo or showtime (forgot which one), about Broner last night, you will see that their gearing up for an "us vs them" type of battle and pretty soon, anyone not signed to PBC, HBO or SHO will probably be left in the cold.
Haymon can get the titles, it shows legitimacy, but at the end of the day if he has fighters that people want to see, they'll watch them regardless if they have a belt or not.
As for Marv Albert, a lot of people here probably forgot about this:
The History of New York Scandals - Marv the Perv -- New York Magazine
While Frampton and Rigo are legit, and there are fighters that are not signed to Haymon, you then have to simply look at visibility. It will be a case of out of sight out of mind and it doesn't matter how good those guys are. If you read some of the tweets from some of the guys involved in hbo or showtime (forgot which one), about Broner last night, you will see that their gearing up for an "us vs them" type of battle and pretty soon, anyone not signed to PBC, HBO or SHO will probably be left in the cold.
Haymon can get the titles, it shows legitimacy, but at the end of the day if he has fighters that people want to see, they'll watch them regardless if they have a belt or not.
As for Marv Albert, a lot of people here probably forgot about this:
The History of New York Scandals - Marv the Perv -- New York Magazine
You are correct about MMA not really having a system but you also have to realize that MMA didn't have the tv history like boxing does. In addition, while UFC competes with boxing, the real competition is the WWE and their business model (when it comes to ancillary goods and ppv) which UFC is trying to mimic (with success.)
While Frampton and Rigo are legit, and there are fighters that are not signed to Haymon or HBO/Showtime (which is why I mentioned Friday Night Fights/FNF), you then have to simply look at visibility. It will be a case of out of sight out of mind and it doesn't matter how good those guys are. If you read some of the tweets from some of the guys involved in hbo or showtime (forgot which one), about Broner last night, you will see that their gearing up for an "us vs them" type of battle and pretty soon, anyone not signed to PBC, HBO or SHO will probably be left in the cold.
Haymon can get the titles, it shows legitimacy, but at the end of the day if he has fighters that people want to see, they'll watch them regardless if they have a belt or not.
As for Marv Albert, a lot of people here probably forgot about this, lol:
The History of New York Scandals - Marv the Perv -- New York Magazine
But still, I really don't see Albert and Leonard doing a good job. Maybe a Mike Tyson, George Foreman if he isn't with someone, Thomas Hearns and a lot of former trainers, Rooney for example. I mean this was the first show and I expected to hear more from them, interesting shit, but instead I got cookie cutter responses, especially from Leonard.
While Frampton and Rigo are legit, and there are fighters that are not signed to Haymon or HBO/Showtime (which is why I mentioned Friday Night Fights/FNF), you then have to simply look at visibility. It will be a case of out of sight out of mind and it doesn't matter how good those guys are. If you read some of the tweets from some of the guys involved in hbo or showtime (forgot which one), about Broner last night, you will see that their gearing up for an "us vs them" type of battle and pretty soon, anyone not signed to PBC, HBO or SHO will probably be left in the cold.
Haymon can get the titles, it shows legitimacy, but at the end of the day if he has fighters that people want to see, they'll watch them regardless if they have a belt or not.
As for Marv Albert, a lot of people here probably forgot about this, lol:
The History of New York Scandals - Marv the Perv -- New York Magazine
But still, I really don't see Albert and Leonard doing a good job. Maybe a Mike Tyson, George Foreman if he isn't with someone, Thomas Hearns and a lot of former trainers, Rooney for example. I mean this was the first show and I expected to hear more from them, interesting shit, but instead I got cookie cutter responses, especially from Leonard.
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Maybe in the US, but big money fights happen in boxing all over the world. I think it's a lot different creating a system then trying to overhaul one.
I'll watch any fight, that's not really the problem and I agree that most people will watch good matchups regardless of titles. I just don't see him being successful in creating a PBC belt and basically scraping the sanctioning body titles.
Boxing is too nationwide and not really branded. I just don't see it working.
I'll watch any fight, that's not really the problem and I agree that most people will watch good matchups regardless of titles. I just don't see him being successful in creating a PBC belt and basically scraping the sanctioning body titles.
Boxing is too nationwide and not really branded. I just don't see it working.
I definitely see it working. It's like MMA. The term originated in the 90's but you've had "mma" way before then. The problem is, with boxing, there is no one organization that is the go to organization. With PBC, it can be the go to organization and all it takes is brand visibility. If he is able to capitalize off "out of sight out of mind" he can create his own PBC brand, including a belt, and nothing can really stop him. Vince Mcmahon did it with the territories and Dana White did when he came with UFC (he purchased the name.)
Remember, in business, it's not who actually is number one or who is the first but who consumers think is number one or the first. As an example, you'll see more and more Deontay Wilder as Heavyweight champ, which, technically, he is since he has a a belt. It's marketing and promoting 101 and he absolutely can create an instance of PBC being the go to for boxing. Oh, and if he does a super event, something like a superbowl or wrestlemania, but for boxing, it's a wrap.
Remember, in business, it's not who actually is number one or who is the first but who consumers think is number one or the first. As an example, you'll see more and more Deontay Wilder as Heavyweight champ, which, technically, he is since he has a a belt. It's marketing and promoting 101 and he absolutely can create an instance of PBC being the go to for boxing. Oh, and if he does a super event, something like a superbowl or wrestlemania, but for boxing, it's a wrap.