but we are gonna steam roll yall next year, patrick and bowman are back to wreck your soon to be overpaid team roster gutting midget.
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Here is the thing, no one has had it better than Seattle Seahawks fans over the last few years.
I am disappointed that some of you guys are even entertaining the silly posts by the niner dejected.
@2-0-Sixx
you are genuinely smarter than these trolls looking to bring you down to their declining level.
In 2 years I have watched my team:
- Beat our former rivals in a heated NFC Championship game at home
- Destroy the best offense in the league in a super bowl in New York City
- Stage one of the greatest comebacks in sports history to win our 2nd NFC champion in a row.
- Go back the super bowl for the second year in a row with a team riddled with injuries and come within 1 play of winning back to back superbowls.
The last time the 49ers won a SB was 20 years ago. Most of the guys posting on here weren't even old enough to appreciate it at the time. Those of us Hawk fans on here were able to live through those events I just typed out above in the PRIME of our lives.
I was at all of those games....I don't care what anyone says, it has been a hell of a run and it's still going. We will be a major factor next year, and barring injuries we should be back in the super bowl for round 3....and if we aren't I will still be damn happy about all that has happened to us.
I am disappointed that some of you guys are even entertaining the silly posts by the niner dejected.
@2-0-Sixx
you are genuinely smarter than these trolls looking to bring you down to their declining level.In 2 years I have watched my team:
- Beat our former rivals in a heated NFC Championship game at home
- Destroy the best offense in the league in a super bowl in New York City
- Stage one of the greatest comebacks in sports history to win our 2nd NFC champion in a row.
- Go back the super bowl for the second year in a row with a team riddled with injuries and come within 1 play of winning back to back superbowls.
The last time the 49ers won a SB was 20 years ago. Most of the guys posting on here weren't even old enough to appreciate it at the time. Those of us Hawk fans on here were able to live through those events I just typed out above in the PRIME of our lives.
I was at all of those games....I don't care what anyone says, it has been a hell of a run and it's still going. We will be a major factor next year, and barring injuries we should be back in the super bowl for round 3....and if we aren't I will still be damn happy about all that has happened to us.
So you think you appreciate a super bowl win more at 30yo than say 15yo?
I dont know about you, but ive loved all my teams just as much as now at 33 than when i was 8...
I dont know about you, but ive loved all my teams just as much as now at 33 than when i was 8...
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Chree and Chree
Here is the thing, no one has had it better than Seattle Seahawks fans over the last few years.
I am disappointed that some of you guys are even entertaining the silly posts by the niner dejected.
@2-0-Sixx
you are genuinely smarter than these trolls looking to bring you down to their declining level.
In 2 years I have watched my team:
- Beat our former rivals in a heated NFC Championship game at home
- Destroy the best offense in the league in a super bowl in New York City
- Stage one of the greatest comebacks in sports history to win our 2nd NFC champion in a row.
- Go back the super bowl for the second year in a row with a team riddled with injuries and come within 1 play of winning back to back superbowls.
The last time the 49ers won a SB was 20 years ago. Most of the guys posting on here weren't even old enough to appreciate it at the time. Those of us Hawk fans on here were able to live through those events I just typed out above in the PRIME of our lives.
I was at all of those games....I don't care what anyone says, it has been a hell of a run and it's still going. We will be a major factor next year, and barring injuries we should be back in the super bowl for round 3....and if we aren't I will still be damn happy about all that has happened to us.
I am disappointed that some of you guys are even entertaining the silly posts by the niner dejected.
@2-0-Sixx
you are genuinely smarter than these trolls looking to bring you down to their declining level.In 2 years I have watched my team:
- Beat our former rivals in a heated NFC Championship game at home
- Destroy the best offense in the league in a super bowl in New York City
- Stage one of the greatest comebacks in sports history to win our 2nd NFC champion in a row.
- Go back the super bowl for the second year in a row with a team riddled with injuries and come within 1 play of winning back to back superbowls.
The last time the 49ers won a SB was 20 years ago. Most of the guys posting on here weren't even old enough to appreciate it at the time. Those of us Hawk fans on here were able to live through those events I just typed out above in the PRIME of our lives.
I was at all of those games....I don't care what anyone says, it has been a hell of a run and it's still going. We will be a major factor next year, and barring injuries we should be back in the super bowl for round 3....and if we aren't I will still be damn happy about all that has happened to us.
- Staged the biggest choke job in super bowl history
Lol
One - Yeah I think you do, it's called cognitive development. There is a difference between loving a team and understanding the game and appreciating it. If there was no relationship between cognitive ability and understanding of the game then an 8 year would make as good of a general manager as a 50 year old. Not to mention most 8 year olds don't have the length of life to understand how rare winning a super bowl is.
Two - Even if you disagree and you really think your 8 year old self understood and appreciated the game as much as your 30 year old self, most sports fans will live and die before their team makes it to back to back super bowls - that's something the majority of football fans will never get to experience at any age.
Good stuff, looking like Kris Richard will be the next defensive coordinator in Seattle. Best man for the job, imo.
Signs pointing to Kris Richard as next defensive coordinator in Seattle | ProFootballTalk
Signs pointing to Kris Richard as next defensive coordinator in Seattle | ProFootballTalk
Exactly.
I remember when the Huskies won the RB in 1991 (92) and had to share the title with Miami. I was 14 at the time and while i was happy, it would be no where NEAR the excitement i would have now. Not even debatable. Hell, i remember Griffey rounding 3rd heading for home back in 1995 in the ALDS against NYY, listening to it on the radio at work and i was like "wow thats pretty cool!". If that happened now? I would probably run out in the street buck naked screaming for joy.
I remember when the Huskies won the RB in 1991 (92) and had to share the title with Miami. I was 14 at the time and while i was happy, it would be no where NEAR the excitement i would have now. Not even debatable. Hell, i remember Griffey rounding 3rd heading for home back in 1995 in the ALDS against NYY, listening to it on the radio at work and i was like "wow thats pretty cool!". If that happened now? I would probably run out in the street buck naked screaming for joy.
So we have been "a piece of shit" for less than 40 years. OK. Kinda impossible when we were descent in the 80's and here in the last decade. But you can have that if you really believe it. We have OWNED SF since we came to the NFC West, but again...take what you need to be OK with everything.
We are the 4th youngest franchise in the NFL. Baltimore was an established team in the Browns when they moved, and many fans followed. When the Texans came to Houston, most of the Oilers fans who didnt follow the team to Tennessee, latched on to them. Seattle had to establish a fanbase from literally NOTHING.
Niners were around 30 YEARS before Seattle. It took us less than 30 years to get to a SB, and less than 40 to win one. It took SF around the same time to win theirs (championship of any kind).
I think some of you 9er folks forget these facts. Im sure when SF had their run in the late 80's and early 90's, the amount of bandwagon fans was just as fierce. However, social media didn't exist back then, so its not as easily established as to how it looked. Same with the Steelers in the 70's, and even the Pats here in the 00's.
But you know what...keep talking shit. Its pretty funny and extremely pathetic. Need we remind you how terrible you were in the last 10-15 years before Harbaugh got there? I dont think you want that. Outside of your Harbaugh run. SF has been IRRELEVANT for a long time.
Have a nice day.
We are the 4th youngest franchise in the NFL. Baltimore was an established team in the Browns when they moved, and many fans followed. When the Texans came to Houston, most of the Oilers fans who didnt follow the team to Tennessee, latched on to them. Seattle had to establish a fanbase from literally NOTHING.
Niners were around 30 YEARS before Seattle. It took us less than 30 years to get to a SB, and less than 40 to win one. It took SF around the same time to win theirs (championship of any kind).
I think some of you 9er folks forget these facts. Im sure when SF had their run in the late 80's and early 90's, the amount of bandwagon fans was just as fierce. However, social media didn't exist back then, so its not as easily established as to how it looked. Same with the Steelers in the 70's, and even the Pats here in the 00's.
But you know what...keep talking shit. Its pretty funny and extremely pathetic. Need we remind you how terrible you were in the last 10-15 years before Harbaugh got there? I dont think you want that. Outside of your Harbaugh run. SF has been IRRELEVANT for a long time.
Have a nice day.
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Richard Sherman offered one final challenge to San Francisco: "I told their sideline if they threw it my way I'd end the game."
He did exactly that -- just like last time.
Sherman provided the moment of the game against the 49ers again, a mere 10 months after his touchdown-saving deflection in the NFC Championship Game that sent the Seattle Seahawks to the Super Bowl.
Sherman set up the only touchdown with another key defensive play in this heated rivalry, then made a second interception with the 49ers driving late, and the Seahawks ended a five-game losing streak on San Francisco's home field with a 19-3 win Thursday night.
"The second one was pretty entertaining. I was laughing the whole time," Sherman said. "They threw it. I said, 'Way to be, way to be.'"
The brash cornerback offered plenty without opening his mouth, too: blowing kisses to the crowd, then putting a finger to his lips to make the hush sign before waving goodbye.
Steven Hauschka kicked four field goals and the Seahawks' stout defense held Colin Kaepernick and Michael Crabtree in check as Seattle (8-4) overcame 14 penalties for 105 yards, including an offensive pass interference that negated a touchdown.
Russell Wilson passed for 236 yards and thoroughly outplayed Kaepernick, who had one of his worst performances for the 49ers (7-5) in a game with high stakes for the teams' playoff hopes. And they play again in 17 days.
"My team's all together, we are buddies. It's a hard thing to do, winning on their turf," Wilson said. "The NFC is not easy to win against. We are excited about that opportunity."
After his second pick, Sherman looked at those fans still remaining in half-empty stadium on a Thanksgiving night and waved. The Seahawks won by the identical score they beat first-place Arizona five days earlier.
Kaepernick was 16 for 29 for 121 yards, and the 49ers were outgained 379-164.
Sherman and Crabtree were at the center of the decisive play in January's NFC title game, when Sherman deflected a pass headed his way in the end zone and Malcolm Smith intercepted it with less than a minute remaining to seal the Seahawks' 23-17 victory. Sherman later called Crabtree "mediocre."
San Francisco's offense might have earned that distinction after its latest dud snapped the Niners' three-game winning streak.
When the word mediocre came up, Sherman said that distinction went to "their fans" for vulgar name-calling throughout the game.
"You never have to resort to name-calling," said Sherman, who said a bottle was thrown as the Seahawks exited.
Asked about Crabtree on Thursday, Sherman smiled and quipped: "History? What history?"
"He said he was throwing to the open man. He didn't care who was out there," Sherman said about Kaepernick. "I was the open man."
In the waning moments with thousands of red seats already empty, 49ers CEO Jed York posted on Twitter:
The 49ers were held to three points or fewer for the first time since a 29-3 Week 2 loss at Seattle last year.
"We only had three points. We have to start early and we have to play," Crabtree said. "That's all we have to talk about."
Seattle sure looked comfortable in its first trip to new $1.3 billion Levi's Stadium. It helped that the Seahawks quieted a relatively subdued home crowd.
Sherman got things started when he intercepted Kaepernick's deep third-down pass on the right sideline in the first quarter to help set up Wilson's 13-yard touchdown pass to Robert Turbin.
A wide-open Turbin easily took the ball down the left sideline on a pretty catch-and-run before beating cornerback Chris Culliver into the end zone.
Hauschka kicked field goals of 21, 36, 35 and 46 yards.
Phil Dawson provided San Francisco's lone points on a 40-yard field goal late in the third.
Sherman had the fourth two-interception game of his career with his 22nd and 23rd picks since 2011, most in the NFL. It was 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh who turned him into a defensive back at Stanford.
Sherman nearly had another late in the first half, when Seattle outgained San Francisco 202-71. The 49ers were held to 23 yards rushing and shut out in the first half for the first time this season.
"We've got to reboot, come back and win them all," Harbaugh said.
In a lighthearted moment before kickoff, Harbaugh's black hat blew off during the national anthem and landed on the lowest white stripe of a flag that covered the entire field. A San Francisco staffer quickly retrieved the cap just in time as the flag was being rolled up.
Game notes
Wilson had a 118.8 passer rating to Kaepernick's 36.7. ... Crabtree hurt his left knee 56 seconds into the game after landing awkwardly on his left side following a 5-yard reception on which he was tackled by S Kam Chancellor. ... 49ers DT Ray McDonald injured a finger.
He did exactly that -- just like last time.
Sherman provided the moment of the game against the 49ers again, a mere 10 months after his touchdown-saving deflection in the NFC Championship Game that sent the Seattle Seahawks to the Super Bowl.
Sherman set up the only touchdown with another key defensive play in this heated rivalry, then made a second interception with the 49ers driving late, and the Seahawks ended a five-game losing streak on San Francisco's home field with a 19-3 win Thursday night.
"The second one was pretty entertaining. I was laughing the whole time," Sherman said. "They threw it. I said, 'Way to be, way to be.'"
The brash cornerback offered plenty without opening his mouth, too: blowing kisses to the crowd, then putting a finger to his lips to make the hush sign before waving goodbye.
Steven Hauschka kicked four field goals and the Seahawks' stout defense held Colin Kaepernick and Michael Crabtree in check as Seattle (8-4) overcame 14 penalties for 105 yards, including an offensive pass interference that negated a touchdown.
Russell Wilson passed for 236 yards and thoroughly outplayed Kaepernick, who had one of his worst performances for the 49ers (7-5) in a game with high stakes for the teams' playoff hopes. And they play again in 17 days.
"My team's all together, we are buddies. It's a hard thing to do, winning on their turf," Wilson said. "The NFC is not easy to win against. We are excited about that opportunity."
After his second pick, Sherman looked at those fans still remaining in half-empty stadium on a Thanksgiving night and waved. The Seahawks won by the identical score they beat first-place Arizona five days earlier.
Kaepernick was 16 for 29 for 121 yards, and the 49ers were outgained 379-164.
Sherman and Crabtree were at the center of the decisive play in January's NFC title game, when Sherman deflected a pass headed his way in the end zone and Malcolm Smith intercepted it with less than a minute remaining to seal the Seahawks' 23-17 victory. Sherman later called Crabtree "mediocre."
San Francisco's offense might have earned that distinction after its latest dud snapped the Niners' three-game winning streak.
When the word mediocre came up, Sherman said that distinction went to "their fans" for vulgar name-calling throughout the game.
"You never have to resort to name-calling," said Sherman, who said a bottle was thrown as the Seahawks exited.
Asked about Crabtree on Thursday, Sherman smiled and quipped: "History? What history?"
"He said he was throwing to the open man. He didn't care who was out there," Sherman said about Kaepernick. "I was the open man."
In the waning moments with thousands of red seats already empty, 49ers CEO Jed York posted on Twitter:
The 49ers were held to three points or fewer for the first time since a 29-3 Week 2 loss at Seattle last year.
"We only had three points. We have to start early and we have to play," Crabtree said. "That's all we have to talk about."
Seattle sure looked comfortable in its first trip to new $1.3 billion Levi's Stadium. It helped that the Seahawks quieted a relatively subdued home crowd.
Sherman got things started when he intercepted Kaepernick's deep third-down pass on the right sideline in the first quarter to help set up Wilson's 13-yard touchdown pass to Robert Turbin.
A wide-open Turbin easily took the ball down the left sideline on a pretty catch-and-run before beating cornerback Chris Culliver into the end zone.
Hauschka kicked field goals of 21, 36, 35 and 46 yards.
Phil Dawson provided San Francisco's lone points on a 40-yard field goal late in the third.
Sherman had the fourth two-interception game of his career with his 22nd and 23rd picks since 2011, most in the NFL. It was 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh who turned him into a defensive back at Stanford.
Sherman nearly had another late in the first half, when Seattle outgained San Francisco 202-71. The 49ers were held to 23 yards rushing and shut out in the first half for the first time this season.
"We've got to reboot, come back and win them all," Harbaugh said.
In a lighthearted moment before kickoff, Harbaugh's black hat blew off during the national anthem and landed on the lowest white stripe of a flag that covered the entire field. A San Francisco staffer quickly retrieved the cap just in time as the flag was being rolled up.
Game notes
Wilson had a 118.8 passer rating to Kaepernick's 36.7. ... Crabtree hurt his left knee 56 seconds into the game after landing awkwardly on his left side following a 5-yard reception on which he was tackled by S Kam Chancellor. ... 49ers DT Ray McDonald injured a finger.
Seattle knocks San Francisco out of contention with win
Associated Press
SEATTLE -- Doug Baldwin was caught. Not in the sense of getting tackled, but caught being an observer.
Baldwin couldn't help himself. When Seattle's wide receiver saw that Green Bay had lost, he gave a little fist pump knowing what that meant for the Seahawks.
The NFC playoffs could be routed through the Pacific Northwest again.
"We can only control what we can control and so we're focused on us," Baldwin said.
The Seahawks knocked their most heated rival out of contention Sunday behind another stingy defensive effort and Marshawn Lynch's 91 yards rushing and a touchdown in Seattle's 17-7 win over San Francisco.
Gone are the 49ers from the postseason conversation. Now the question is whether Seattle (10-4) can win its final two games -- at Arizona and vs. St. Louis -- and potentially land the No. 1 seed in the NFC for the second straight season.
The opportunity at home-field advantage was implausible four weeks ago when the Seahawks were 6-4 and teetering in the NFC playoff picture. After four straight wins and the Packers' loss at Buffalo on Sunday, the Seahawks have the chance at more than just a postseason berth.
"I don't care about that stuff right now," Seattle coach Pete Carroll said. "We have two more games to play and we have one more game that's at hand right now. That's all we got. The rest of it doesn't matter."
After a sluggish, sloppy first half filled with penalties and missed assignments, Seattle awoke in the final 30 minutes behind the running of Lynch and a defense that shut out the 49ers, holding them to 67 yards. Colin Kaepernick was sacked six times and the 49ers didn't run a play past the Seattle 38 in the second half.
Lynch scored on a 4-yard run late in the third quarter and the Seahawks took advantage of a short field on their next drive, capped by Russell Wilson's 10-yard touchdown strike to rookie Paul Richardson.
Wilson was 12 of 24 for 168 yards and rushed for another 27 yards.
Losing to Seattle for the fifth time in six meetings, and Detroit's win over Minnesota, eliminated San Francisco (7-7) from making the postseason. It's the first time in Jim Harbaugh's four seasons the 49ers won't be playing in January, and will only heighten questions about Harbaugh's future with the club.
"I don't want to get too far out in front of our headlights," Harbaugh said. "We're going to focus all our energy on this week."
In a season filled with key injuries, the 49ers lost two more players late in the first half and another in the third quarter. Running back Frank Gore, who scored on a 10-yard run in the second quarter, left with a concussion. Middle linebacker Chris Borland, the NFC defensive rookie of the month in November, hurt his ankle on the final play of the first half. He attempted to return, but was mostly a spectator and replaced by Nick Moody.
Gore's backup, Carlos Hyde, was bent backward and appeared to injure his right leg late in the third quarter. Kaepernick threw for 141 yards and rushed for another 46, but was constantly under pressure behind an offensive line missing starters Marcus Martin and Anthony Davis.
"We didn't give up any yards, we just played our way," Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett said. "We played team defense and that's the way you play championship football."
The absence of Borland was significant. Seattle rushed for 90 yards in the third quarter alone after having just 47 in the first half. Lynch had runs of 13 and 15 yards on his touchdown drive that he capped by strolling the final yard into the end zone.
San Francisco went three-and-out on the next possession, including Hyde's injury on first down. Seattle took possession at the 49ers 44 and Wilson immediately went for 19 yards on a designed keeper.
The drive was kept alive by a debated third-down roughing-the-passer call against Moody and two plays later, Richardson caught the first TD of his career. Referee Ed Hochuli told a pool reporter after the game he believed Moody hit Wilson with the hairline of his helmet and not the facemask, thus drawing the penalty.
"The crown is the top of the helmet, the hairline is up at the top of the forehead," he explained. "That is still a foul when you hit the quarterback with that part of your head."
"I think it was a bad call," San Francisco safety Antoine Bethea said. "It's so up and down with those types of calls,"
Game notes
Seattle did not force a turnover for the first time since Week 7 against St. Louis. ... Borland and Seattle LT Russell Okung (chest) were both injured on Eric Reid's interception return on the final play of the first half. Okung suffered a chest-wall bruise and was taken to a local hospital for further examination and released. ... The 49ers had 178 total yards in the first half after having 164 for the entire game in the first meeting.
Associated Press
SEATTLE -- Doug Baldwin was caught. Not in the sense of getting tackled, but caught being an observer.
Baldwin couldn't help himself. When Seattle's wide receiver saw that Green Bay had lost, he gave a little fist pump knowing what that meant for the Seahawks.
The NFC playoffs could be routed through the Pacific Northwest again.
"We can only control what we can control and so we're focused on us," Baldwin said.
The Seahawks knocked their most heated rival out of contention Sunday behind another stingy defensive effort and Marshawn Lynch's 91 yards rushing and a touchdown in Seattle's 17-7 win over San Francisco.
Gone are the 49ers from the postseason conversation. Now the question is whether Seattle (10-4) can win its final two games -- at Arizona and vs. St. Louis -- and potentially land the No. 1 seed in the NFC for the second straight season.
The opportunity at home-field advantage was implausible four weeks ago when the Seahawks were 6-4 and teetering in the NFC playoff picture. After four straight wins and the Packers' loss at Buffalo on Sunday, the Seahawks have the chance at more than just a postseason berth.
"I don't care about that stuff right now," Seattle coach Pete Carroll said. "We have two more games to play and we have one more game that's at hand right now. That's all we got. The rest of it doesn't matter."
After a sluggish, sloppy first half filled with penalties and missed assignments, Seattle awoke in the final 30 minutes behind the running of Lynch and a defense that shut out the 49ers, holding them to 67 yards. Colin Kaepernick was sacked six times and the 49ers didn't run a play past the Seattle 38 in the second half.
Lynch scored on a 4-yard run late in the third quarter and the Seahawks took advantage of a short field on their next drive, capped by Russell Wilson's 10-yard touchdown strike to rookie Paul Richardson.
Wilson was 12 of 24 for 168 yards and rushed for another 27 yards.
Losing to Seattle for the fifth time in six meetings, and Detroit's win over Minnesota, eliminated San Francisco (7-7) from making the postseason. It's the first time in Jim Harbaugh's four seasons the 49ers won't be playing in January, and will only heighten questions about Harbaugh's future with the club.
"I don't want to get too far out in front of our headlights," Harbaugh said. "We're going to focus all our energy on this week."
In a season filled with key injuries, the 49ers lost two more players late in the first half and another in the third quarter. Running back Frank Gore, who scored on a 10-yard run in the second quarter, left with a concussion. Middle linebacker Chris Borland, the NFC defensive rookie of the month in November, hurt his ankle on the final play of the first half. He attempted to return, but was mostly a spectator and replaced by Nick Moody.
Gore's backup, Carlos Hyde, was bent backward and appeared to injure his right leg late in the third quarter. Kaepernick threw for 141 yards and rushed for another 46, but was constantly under pressure behind an offensive line missing starters Marcus Martin and Anthony Davis.
"We didn't give up any yards, we just played our way," Seattle defensive end Michael Bennett said. "We played team defense and that's the way you play championship football."
The absence of Borland was significant. Seattle rushed for 90 yards in the third quarter alone after having just 47 in the first half. Lynch had runs of 13 and 15 yards on his touchdown drive that he capped by strolling the final yard into the end zone.
San Francisco went three-and-out on the next possession, including Hyde's injury on first down. Seattle took possession at the 49ers 44 and Wilson immediately went for 19 yards on a designed keeper.
The drive was kept alive by a debated third-down roughing-the-passer call against Moody and two plays later, Richardson caught the first TD of his career. Referee Ed Hochuli told a pool reporter after the game he believed Moody hit Wilson with the hairline of his helmet and not the facemask, thus drawing the penalty.
"The crown is the top of the helmet, the hairline is up at the top of the forehead," he explained. "That is still a foul when you hit the quarterback with that part of your head."
"I think it was a bad call," San Francisco safety Antoine Bethea said. "It's so up and down with those types of calls,"
Game notes
Seattle did not force a turnover for the first time since Week 7 against St. Louis. ... Borland and Seattle LT Russell Okung (chest) were both injured on Eric Reid's interception return on the final play of the first half. Okung suffered a chest-wall bruise and was taken to a local hospital for further examination and released. ... The 49ers had 178 total yards in the first half after having 164 for the entire game in the first meeting.
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Norton said not long ago (start of the season or mid to end of last season, can't remember) that he's happy where he is. From what it appears he likes just focusing on the linebackers and might not want, at least for now, to take on anymore responsibilities. I know when Pete Carroll brought in Tom Cable they entertained the idea of Cable being the offensive coordinator but Cable said he wanted to focus entirely on the o line since it was basically being rebuilt from scratch.
