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It's such a good article that it also tells the truth about BHOP fighting Kovalev, instead of Adonis, because of the lawsuit.

It says Main Events dropped the lawsuit because they were able to secure a big fight (thus no financial damages which is what the lawsuit was based on). Guess you didn't read this part of the article "Stevenson apparently didn't want a shot at Kovalev. He signed with Haymon and told reporters, "I'm going straight to the bank."' It's the Haymon way - good money, zero risk involved. Destroys network ratings in the process. Can't wait to see what he has planned next!

 

[HERESY]

It says Main Events dropped the lawsuit because they were able to secure a big fight (thus no financial damages which is what the lawsuit was based on).

We know for a FACT that BHOP took the fight to avoid the lawsuit. The man admitted it.

Guess you didn't read this part of the article "Stevenson apparently didn't want a shot at Kovalev. He signed with Haymon and told reporters, "I'm going straight to the bank."' It's the Haymon way - good money, zero risk involved. Destroys network ratings in the process. Can't wait to see what he has planned next!

we know for a FACT that this isn't the case and the writer is strictly presenting a scenario that simply cannot be true when one looks at the emails and documents released by Stevensons camp.

 

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Looks like someone needs to look up the definition of FACT.

 

[HERESY]

Looks like someone needs to look up the definition of FACT.

No need. BHOP himself stated he took the fight to avoid the lawsuit. This is a fact. So either BHOP is a liar for saying that or it is indeed true. Based on his own words, and those of Duva, I will say he told the truth.

And we know for a fact Stevenson never signed with Haymon to avoid Kovalev. We know this by reading the detailed documents provided by Stevenson's camp.

 

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lol here we go. It's never Stevenson's fault. He just magically missed out on Kovalev, Bhop and Pascal. Back to back to back. Anyways, I don't want to continue to beat a dead horse (this topic regarding stevenson/haymon). Anything ELSE from that article you want to discuss or are you only concerned with Stevenson? No opinion on whether Haymon's NBC Sports deal will be good, optimistic, skeptical, etc.? Opinions on his contracts he has with fighters, specifically the termination clause if anything is publicly said bad about Haymon? Opinion on the vast amount of mismatch & showcase fights haymon put together in 2014?

 

[HERESY]

lol here we go. It's never Stevenson's fault. He just magically missed out on Kovalev, Bhop and Pascal. Back to back to back. Anyways, I don't want to continue to beat a dead horse (this topic regarding stevenson/haymon). Anything ELSE from that article you want to discuss or are you only concerned with Stevenson? No opinion on whether Haymon's NBC Sports deal will be good, optimistic, skeptical, etc.? Opinions on his contracts he has with fighters, specifically the termination clause if anything is publicly said bad about Haymon? Opinion on the vast amount of mismatch & showcase fights haymon put together in 2014?

Al Haymon is good for boxing. Like I said before, do you see a lot of people talking about him like Arum, King and others? His contracts, based on the article, are pretty much standard when it comes to advisor or manager rates in the entertainment business 9-15% (anything higher is rape.)

As for the clause, I see no problem with that. It's not like it's a non compete clause. It's simply a clause to protect his brand from unwarranted attacks and scrutiny. As for mismatch and showcase fights, again, if it weren't for Haymon Stevenson would be fighting for pennies like Kovalev and other people. Until I see something truly bad from Haymon, I'm not gonna trip.

 

[RM211]

Broner looking good for his March return:

MUNCHING ON FAT BURGERS, NACHOS, UNHEALTHY FOOD AND HITTIN BITCHES RAW DOG = THE BRONER WAY.

 

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Al Haymon is good for boxing. .

How is he good for boxing? Were the countless showcase fights of Haymon fighters in 2014 good or bad for the sport?

The reason people slam Al Haymon is because he doesn't make fights people want to see. The only exception is a mandatory and even then there's is no guarantee.

Haymon has always been about maximizing paydays with the lowest risk possible. He did this when Greenberg was head of HBO and now he's doing it with Showtime now that Greenberg is gone and Espinoza is at Showtime. Fans are tired of the BS. Just look at the horrible year Haymon put together on Showtime in 2014. Absolutely embarrassing. There is no excuse the man has over a hundred fighters signed to him and yet we keep getting showcase fights after showcase fights. At best he'll put two or three good names on a card....but not against each other. Danny Garcia vs Rod Salka, Peterson vs Carlos Santa as the co feature lol. This shit is terrible. And the ratings reflect how bad it's become.

 

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About time:

Chris Algieri Looks To Add Experienced Trainer - Boxing News

 

[CZAR]

Algeri is trash! Got Em!!

 

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How is he good for boxing? Were the countless showcase fights of Haymon fighters in 2014 good or bad for the sport?

The reason people slam Al Haymon is because he doesn't make fights people want to see. The only exception is a mandatory and even then there's is no guarantee.

Haymon has always been about maximizing paydays with the lowest risk possible. He did this when Greenberg was head of HBO and now he's doing it with Showtime now that Greenberg is gone and Espinoza is at Showtime. Fans are tired of the BS. Just look at the horrible year Haymon put together on Showtime in 2014. Absolutely embarrassing. There is no excuse the man has over a hundred fighters signed to him and yet we keep getting showcase fights after showcase fights. At best he'll put two or three good names on a card....but not against each other. Danny Garcia vs Rod Salka, Peterson vs Carlos Santa as the co feature lol. This shit is terrible. And the ratings reflect how bad it's become.

Let me add further.

What I'll ask you though is this - does Haymon help the SPORT of boxing by getting his fighters big money for crappy fights? Because if he's not and he's hurting the sport, that money is going to slowly dissapear.

His business model with fighters is a very short sighted way of looking at things. If you want to build the sport there has to be a consistency of good fights, championship level fights and fighters fighting other fighters that fans actually want to see. By having this short sighted view of making money right now, it hurts the sport and in the long run, there isn't going to be nearly as much money for fighters. It's damaging potential earnings for future fighters. Look at showtimes pathetic ratings for 2014. You think Showtime can continue to pay this kind of money for below average ratings? No way. If that trend continues the budget will be cut not increased. When Stevenson gets $2 million dollars to fight a bum and only pulls in 230,000 viewers, is that helping the sport? And of course when guys get paid that much for easy fights, of course they're going to demand astronomical purses for risky fights.

HBO weren't forced to buy Haymons crappy fights and look what he did as a result, he took all his fighters to Showtime. That places Espinoza in a position where he feels he needs to do Haymon favors, buy whatever fights he proposes, or else potentially lose out on future opportunities with Haymon fighters. This isn't helping the sport. It's actually ruining Showtime boxing and he's alienated his fighters to one network (we'll see what happens with NBC Sports). This created a fued with HBO obviously so HBO fighters can't fight Haymon fighters, etc. It's a huge mess. The longevity and the overall health of the SPORT of boxing is our concern. Guys like Stevenson getting $2m to fight some trash fighter might help his bank account now, but it damn sure isn't helping the sport grow.

 

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Interesting development. Roc Nation eats up Gary Shaw.


Roc Nation, Gary Shaw Merger Deal is Complete
Posted by: Rick Reeno on 1/8/2015 .

>>>Click Here For Tons of More Breaking Boxing News, Articles and Insider Information<<<

By Rick Reeno

BoxingScene.com has been advised by promoter Gary Shaw that a deal has been finalized to merge his company, Gary Shaw Productions,*with the boxing division of*Roc Nation Sports, a sports management and promotional company which was founded by rapper Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter in 2013.

Shaw, who founded his company in 2002,*will head Roc Nation's boxing division.

Roc Nation Sports, which announced their intentions to enter the boxing market last year, will stage their first event on*Friday night*from the*Madison Square Garden Theater in New York City. Fox Sports 1 will televise.

"I'm proud that I'm with Roc Nation officially. I've brought over all of my employees, my fighters. I'm a big step for me personally and for GSP. Roc Nation is going to bring more exposure than any other promotional company to any fighter," Shaw told BoxingScene.com.

Some of Shaw's fighters include Bryant Jennings, Daniel Geale, Jose Pedraza,
Jhonatan Romero,*Thomas Dulorme,*Luis Del Valle,*Laudelino Barros,*Darley Perez, Victor Fonseca,*Marvin Qintero, Art Hovhannisyan, Kimbo Slice,*Tureano Johnson and others. In the case of Pedraza, who is co-promoted by Lou DiBella and Universal Promotions, Shaw will relinquish his third to Roc Nation.

 

[HERESY]

Let me add further.

What I'll ask you though is this - does Haymon help the SPORT of boxing by getting his fighters big money for crappy fights? Because if he's not and he's hurting the sport, that money is going to slowly dissapear.

Yes, I will say that getting his fighters more money has helped the sport of boxing. He is taking the step in putting the fighter first which is something most promoters, managers and advisers haven't been doing. As for "crappy fights", well that also goes back tot he fighter and not on Haymon. If you want to take a tough fight take a tough fight. If you want to take the easy fight...well...

His business model with fighters is a very short sighted way of looking at things. If you want to build the sport there has to be a consistency of good fights, championship level fights and fighters fighting other fighters that fans actually want to see.

No, I think his business model is a great one and, if the thing with NBC does really good, then that's even more proof it's a good business model. The problem, however, is that Haymon isn't the only one who has fighters fighting people they shouldn't be fighting.

By having this short sighted view of making money right now, it hurts the sport and in the long run, there isn't going to be nearly as much money for fighters. It's damaging potential earnings for future fighters. Look at showtimes pathetic ratings for 2014. You think Showtime can continue to pay this kind of money for below average ratings? No way. If that trend continues the budget will be cut not increased. When Stevenson gets $2 million dollars to fight a bum and only pulls in 230,000 viewers, is that helping the sport? And of course when guys get paid that much for easy fights, of course they're going to demand astronomical purses for risky fights.

Listen, if you have a guy willing to talk for you and he gets you $2 million for what should have been an easy fight you can't blame the guy. At the end of the day the fighter is the one who says YES or NO. At the end of the day the network pays the bills. The way I see it, Haymon is simply pimping the system that has been pimping fighters for years. And ultimately you need to be blaming the IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO, XXX, KKK, YMCA, NAACP, WWE, WWF, UFC, ABC, XYZ and the billion other bodies out there who come up with bullshit rules, don't follow their own rules and allow for real bullshit to go down.

HBO weren't forced to buy Haymons crappy fights and look what he did as a result, he took all his fighters to Showtime. That places Espinoza in a position where he feels he needs to do Haymon favors, buy whatever fights he proposes, or else potentially lose out on future opportunities with Haymon fighters. This isn't helping the sport. It's actually ruining Showtime boxing and he's alienated his fighters to one network (we'll see what happens with NBC Sports). This created a fued with HBO obviously so HBO fighters can't fight Haymon fighters, etc. It's a huge mess. The longevity and the overall health of the SPORT of boxing is our concern. Guys like Stevenson getting $2m to fight some trash fighter might help his bank account now, but it damn sure isn't helping the sport grow.

Al Haymon is NOT the problem with the SPORT of Boxing. The SPORT of boxing has had problems dating back to the 1800's and some of those problems exist still. And if Haymon were to walk away from boxing within the next three minutes do you know what would happen? Within 30 seconds someone else would try to fill his shoes, there would still be shitty judges, still have people ducking, still have sanctioning bodies doing fuck boy shit, etc.

Stop blaming Haymon for the problems in boxing.

 

[HERESY]

And the fights people want to see should NOT come at the expense of RAPE. Look at the Stevenson Kovalev offer that HBO wanted to give Stevenson. Pure R-A-P-E. He did Kovalev and himself a favor by actually countering the offer, but what did Kovalev do? Bad mouth the guy.

 

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You wrote all that and didn't even EXPLAIN how he's good for boxing. We already know he gets his clients money. We already know guys are getting overpaid for fighting Salka, Fanfora, etc. How is this good for the sport, how does this help the sport grow?

 

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Al Haymon is NOT the problem with the SPORT of Boxing. The SPORT of boxing has had problems dating back to the 1800's and some of those problems exist still. And if Haymon were to walk away from boxing within the next three minutes do you know what would happen? Within 30 seconds someone else would try to fill his shoes, there would still be shitty judges, still have people ducking, still have sanctioning bodies doing fuck boy shit, etc.

Stop blaming Haymon for the problems in boxing.

If Haymon walked away right now? There would be no HBO vs Haymon fighters beef. His entire stable would be available to work with other networks and other promoters. Pacquiao vs Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman, Ruslan vs Garcia, Ruslan vs Mattysse. Bradley vs Broner. Marquez vs Broner, Mattysse, etc. Fuck this would be awesome. Let's keep going. Golovkin vs Peter Quillin. Golovkin vs Danny Jacobs. Kovalev vs Stevenson. God if you are real strike down upon Al Haymon so that these fights can happen.

But hey HERSEY, its cool if you think it's better for the sport those fights never happen and instead we have Garcia and Broner on the same card against no hopers, because I guess as long as guys are getting (over)paid that's all that matters, fan of the sport? Nah son, fan of bank accounts.

 

[HERESY]

You wrote all that and didn't even EXPLAIN how he's good for boxing. We already know he gets his clients money. We already know guys are getting overpaid for fighting Salka, Fanfora, etc. How is this good for the sport, how does this help the sport grow?

I did explain it you just skipped over it. Read the very first paragraph.

 

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I did explain it you just skipped over it. Read the very first paragraph.

That doesn't explain at all how it's beneficial to the sport of boxing as a whole. This was your first paragraph:

Yes, I will say that getting his fighters more money has helped the sport of boxing. He is taking the step in putting the fighter first which is something most promoters, managers and advisers haven't been doing. As for "crappy fights", well that also goes back tot he fighter and not on Haymon. If you want to take a tough fight take a tough fight. If you want to take the easy fight...well...​

Nothing here explains how he's helping the sport of boxing. I can see how he's helping his clients make short term money, but I don't see any expatiation on how Haymon or his business model helps boxing. He sure as hell isn't giving the fights fans want to see and he sure hasn't been delivering good ratings on Showtime recently.

Like I said, we already know he's getting his clients good money for fighting subpar opponents. This is something he's done for a very long time.

The last part of your paragraph in particular is a real gem though. All of Haymon fighters say "that's up to my manager, Al Haymon" regarding their next fights. Danny Garcia said he had no idea he was fighting Rod Salka and that he never heard of the guy, only that he "trusts Al Haymon" to do what's best for his career. Leo Santa Cruz, same thing with the the sparring partner he fought last. Said he'd want to fight Rigondeaux, but he's just fighting who Haymon puts in front of him. I doubt Stevenson knew who Sukhotsky was either (although I'm only speculating on that). Haymon is the one guiding these guy's careers, they just fight whoever he puts in front of them.

 

[HERESY]

That doesn't explain at all how it's beneficial to the sport of boxing as a whole. This was your first paragraph:

Yes, I will say that getting his fighters more money has helped the sport of boxing. He is taking the step in putting the fighter first which is something most promoters, managers and advisers haven't been doing. As for "crappy fights", well that also goes back tot he fighter and not on Haymon. If you want to take a tough fight take a tough fight. If you want to take the easy fight...well...​

Nothing here explains how he's helping the sport of boxing. I can see how he's helping his clients make short term money, but I don't see any expatiation on how Haymon or his business model helps boxing. He sure as hell isn't giving the fights fans want to see and he sure hasn't been delivering good ratings on Showtime recently.

Please refer to the bold, italicized and underlined.

Like I said, we already know he's getting his clients good money for fighting subpar opponents. This is something he's done for a very long time.

See above, and it's not always about the money.

The last part of your paragraph in particular is a real gem though. All of Haymon fighters say "that's up to my manager, Al Haymon" regarding their next fights. Danny Garcia said he had no idea he was fighting Rod Salka and that he never heard of the guy, only that he "trusts Al Haymon" to do what's best for his career. Leo Santa Cruz, same thing with the the sparring partner he fought last. Said he'd want to fight Rigondeaux, but he's just fighting who Haymon puts in front of him. I doubt Stevenson knew who Sukhotsky was either (although I'm only speculating on that). Haymon is the one guiding these guy's careers, they just fight whoever he puts in front of them.

At the end of the day who has the FINAL say so if a boxer fights? The boxer or the advisor, manager, promoter, trainer, etc?

Stop blaming Al Haymon for the many problems in boxing. If ONE MAN is causing as much trouble as you and that fool@battle619 are constantly saying, then you need to take a look at the sport itself and the weak minded individuals who allowed one man to to do this.

IMHO, shit not even my opinion, AS A MATTER OF FACT, Haymon is simply utilizing a disruptive business model or disruptive innovation. Remember when I told you that Haymon was most likely going to use the money of investors? Well the investors have been named and what Haymon is doing is exactly like #1 in this link:

The Business Model for Disruption

Disruptive innovation/tech is good for boxing. We're talking about it right? Fighters are signing with Haymon not leaving right? You're simply seeing the process of growth right now, things will change soon I believe.

Bottom line is this, if you aren't seeing the fights you want to see blame everyone else except for Al Haymon.

 

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my god man. I can't even reply to that after "if you aren't seeing the fights you want to see blame everyone else except for Al Haymon". Whatever universe you live in is a strange one, comrade.