Jeb Bush will be president

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HERESY

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Voter ID laws are a crock of shit for sure.

I've seen what voting locally in my city and state can do (mostly initiative wise admittedly) but I do think that local and state officials do play a role in how things can turn out locally and statewide as well. To an extent as I said.

We will have to just agree to disagree and I always respect your opinion and input. If you have any good reading I can do on arguments on how it's obsolete on a local and state level please share them. Thanks breh.
Local and state are told what to do as well. I'm in California, a state that is in the top ten WORLD economy list. that's something to ponder for a bit.

And I will get you some reads. I have a ton of thumb drives to go through so give me a bit.
 
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No, it's pretty much the entire process. It doesn't matter if it's a two party system or a two hundred party system. It doesn't matter about an electoral vote. The FACT is we aren't a democracy or republic but a hegemony, oligarchy, plutocracy and corporatocracy.

And WHO they voted FOR doesn't matter. Marking an x next to a name, or punching a whole next to a name, does nothing but let them know how many sheep are still ready to be led to the slaughter.

To anyone who endorses voting I have a couple of simple questions to ask:

1. Do you believe voting is an investment in your future? If so, where is your return on investment?

2. Do you believe the Elite of this country, and those abroad, will allow the average joe to decide the leadership of the richest and most advanced country in all of history by marking x or punching a whole next to a name?


Also statistically speaking even in local elections (down to a small population size) your vote is pretty much worthless.
 
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California is an extreme example, because it honestly should be split into at least two states. The majority of the population is in Southern California so their votes decide what goes down for the entire state, but I don't believe Southern Californians know what's best for people six or seven hundred miles north of them living in a different world.
 
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Lol fuck voting all this shit is rigged, I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary would make it to office... There's still people out there who think it makes a difference who the president is. Same people who were let down that thought having the first black man in office would make a difference are now hoping to god the first female in the White House will save the day.
 

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California is an extreme example, because it honestly should be split into at least two states. The majority of the population is in Southern California so their votes decide what goes down for the entire state, but I don't believe Southern Californians know what's best for people six or seven hundred miles north of them living in a different world.
Their vote doesn't decide anything.

And California isn't an extreme example.

Again, for any person who endorses voting and/or believes it matters, I ask them to answer the two questions posed on the previous page.
 
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Their vote doesn't decide anything.

And California isn't an extreme example.

Again, for any person who endorses voting and/or believes it matters, I ask them to answer the two questions posed on the previous page.
I hear ya bro, but my point is, even in theory it's faulty. Even if it worked the way we're led to believe it works..
 
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hilary is going to win because everybody wants the first female president because we already have the first black president...doesnt matter either way were fucked...fuck voting for anyone just because they are the first of their kind...vote for me because im the first fat german and irish alcoholic president with a red goatee...

ross perot predicted what would happen in 1996 with his infomercials. the clinton murder machine was installed as leader. hillary is all but installed as the first woman president. the powers that be control who "wins" and gets selected "leader"
 

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The president does matter because they elect important cabinet members and supreme court justices etc. However, if all they are doing is being strong armed into that decision by people with money, then yes, they are a puppet and it doesn't matter. I guess all that really matters is the party you vote for at that point.

I hate that we only get a choice of 2 people. The election should be a one time vote of like 10 people that want to run for the Presidency and popular vote wins. No electoral college, no primaries. I have more choices at the taco shop for dinner than the dude leading the party that controls my country. Usually the choice between the 2 people running isn't a good option no matter who wins.

And my vote in Oklahoma doesn't even matter anyways. Obama has only been here once since he was a senator, and that was to push his oil pipeline idea from Canada.
 

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The president does matter because they elect important cabinet members and supreme court justices etc. However, if all they are doing is being strong armed into that decision by people with money, then yes, they are a puppet and it doesn't matter. I guess all that really matters is the party you vote for at that point.

I hate that we only get a choice of 2 people. The election should be a one time vote of like 10 people that want to run for the Presidency and popular vote wins. No electoral college, no primaries. I have more choices at the taco shop for dinner than the dude leading the party that controls my country. Usually the choice between the 2 people running isn't a good option no matter who wins.

And my vote in Oklahoma doesn't even matter anyways. Obama has only been here once since he was a senator, and that was to push his oil pipeline idea from Canada.
LOL
 
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Some of you are too funny and easily manipulated not to participate. Propositions are decided by vote in city, county, and state elections. When you don't vote, your vote doesn't matter in those decisions, your absence in the decision however does because your voice is then muted. When you do vote, they tally them and decide which propositions become law. All elected seats in the city county state and state fed reps are decided by people who decide to vote- not by you naysayers. The mayor of my city (most populous state capital in US and 6th most populous city in US) is from my high school. He won from the people who decided to show up to vote, not by the Illuminati, a Bush, a Clinton, or a World Bank lmao. I have homeboys and family that will never be able to vote and their fate (along with yours and everyone else) will be decided by people who vote (as long as that system is in place) and also by people who have something negative to always say about the way things are but won't do a goddamn thing to change it, even something as simple as voting. It is those people that are more f&%$ed up than the political criminals that keep getting elected basically from your ignorance to not do a goddamn thing to change anything.
 
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Some of you are too funny and easily manipulated not to participate.
Someone can say the same about your willingness to participate in something that has been proven to be a charade.

Propositions are decided by vote in city, county, and state elections. When you don't vote, your vote doesn't matter in those decisions, your absence in the decision however does because your voice is then muted.
So? Your vote never mattered anyway. Your absence means what? Are you going to sit here and tell these people that they would be the deciding vote? These people have a better chance at hitting a million dollar lottery a million times in a row than being a deciding vote or a vote that matters. Your city, county and state propositions, legislation, etc has already been decided beforehand, the people just get to partake in the charade. They have to balance the books, all the numbers have to be accounted for and they aren't going to let the public decide anything. That's like the food and beverage guy making a decision at a board meeting, where the CFO is talking about quarterlies being down, lol.

You can't be serious, breh.

When you do vote, they tally them and decide which propositions become law. All elected seats in the city county state and state fed reps are decided by people who decide to vote- not by you naysayers.
See above.

The mayor of my city (most populous state capital in US and 6th most populous city in US) is from my high school. He won from the people who decided to show up to vote, not by the Illuminati, a Bush, a Clinton, or a World Bank lmao.
And that person, whether you like it or not, was chosen to be in that position. Just like the mayor of my city was chosen to be in his position and pimped the black church for the recall money and then "won" by two votes. The same fuckin mayor that wants to EXTEND mayoral terms and offer more "duties" for the mayor, but, in reality, doing it because there are casino contracts coming in and he wants to be here when it happens.

So don't think for one minute that your guy, the guy you went to school with, doesn't answer to someone else or that strings weren't pulled for him. He will do as he is told, when he is told and he will do a good job or find his ass out in the cold with some "story" about how he was touching on little kids. (BTW, the "illuminati" does not exist.)

I have homeboys and family that will never be able to vote and their fate (along with yours and everyone else) will be decided by people who vote (as long as that system is in place) and also by people who have something negative to always say about the way things are but won't do a goddamn thing to change it, even something as simple as voting.


They should be thanking whatever god they pray to that they no longer have the right to vote.

It is those people that are more f&%$ed up than the political criminals that keep getting elected basically from your ignorance to not do a goddamn thing to change anything.
We can address "ignorance" right here. We won't even go into the fact this isn't a republic or democracy, that has been proven to be false a couple of pages ago. But let's get into these:

1. Do you believe voting is an investment in your future? If so, where is your return on investment?

2. Do you believe the Elite of this country, and those abroad, will allow the average joe to decide the leadership of the richest and most advanced country in all of history by marking x or punching a hole next to a name?
 
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The propositions have not been decided prior to the vote nor have the local offices, unfortunate (and incorrect) you think that way. 1 vote doesn't matter but many votes do and your absence along with others with your line of thinking may be the difference on an issue or a person that affects the future of many, the difference that continues to be absent and continues the "charade" you speak of that exists- the charade that is the crooks taking advantage of both their blind followers and the ignorant that refuse to do anything including go against them.
 
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HERESY

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The propositions have not been decided prior to the vote nor have the local offices, unfortunate you think that way. 1 vote doesn't matter but many votes do and your absence along with others with your line of thinking may be the difference on an issue or a person that affects the future of many, the difference that continues to be absent and continues the "charade" you speak of that exists- the charade that is the crooks taking advantage of both their blind followers and the ignorant that refuse to do anything including go against them.
So in other words you and those who are advocating that people vote are refusing to answer one open question and one closed question. Got it.

Thanks for playing.