Pacquiao vs Algieri Nov 22nd, China

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Sicc OG
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November 22nd in Macao, China

Talk about hitting the jackpot. Algieri is coming off a big upset win over Ruslan Provodnikov, who was originally going to be Pacquiao's opponent. Algieri made just $100,000 for that win, and now will be fighting in a multi million dollar fight against one of boxings biggest stars.

My take on this: it's a good fight. Algieri is fresh blood, someone new and his 5'10 frame, long reach and awkward style will give problems to Pacquiao. I'd rather see a fight like this than Marquez 400 or Timothy Bradley 3. The problem is this isn't PPV worthy since Algieri is little known. It would be a great HBO regular main event fight, but obviously HBO can't pay $20m purses. Expect low PPV's numbers for this, but the casino in Macao pays Top Rank absurd amounts of cash so I'm sure they don't care too much.*

Breaking down the fight/prediction: As noted, Algieri is tall and lean standing at 5'10, so he'll have a considerable height & reach advantage over Pacquiao. He is a boxer who uses movement, counter punching and a good jab. He has little power as shown by his 8 KO's in 20 fights so he rely's on his boxing abilities to earn decisions. He can take a punch as shown by fighting Ruslan and winning a decision over 12 (with a badly swollen eye). He was also a kickboxer before he turned 100% to boxing, going 20-0. His lack of experience in big fights will a big negative for him. Pacqiuao's speed is probably something he's never seen before. I expect Algieri to give Pacquiao a lot of problems early on, rounds 1-4, but eventually as the fight goes on Pacquiao becomes more and more accurate and scores his first KO in four years, stopping Algieri late either by accumulation of punches or cuts.


Chris Algieri (20-0)
5′10"
72" reach
orthodox
30 years old




Pacquiao (56-5)
5′6½″*
67"* reach
southpaw
35 years old

 
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battle619

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I got Manny by the 6th rd. Manny proved on his last fight that his opponent can get on their bike and he'll still force the fight very well. He'll be the champ at 147 and 140. That's the main goal
 
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Dude is so lucky Ruslan got stiffed on the decision because Ruslan would knock Manny out. Now he gets to fight this dude lol. LOL @ foos picking Manny by ko. Manny hasny ko'd anyone since Floyd hinted the world of his steroid use lol. Hmmm coincidence........I think not. Got Em!!
 
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Sicc OG
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CZAR said:
Dude is so lucky Ruslan got stiffed on the decision because Ruslan would knock Manny out. Now he gets to fight this dude lol. LOL @ foos picking Manny by ko. Manny hasny ko'd anyone since Floyd hinted the world of his steroid use lol. Hmmm coincidence........I think not. Got Em!!
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Thats the dumbest claim ever. smdh

Obviously Pacquiao's KOs went down because he was fighting bigger opponent and/or guys who have never been KO'd before. Clottey, JMM x2, Bradley x2, Mosley, Margarito. All of these guys have iron chins and none have been KO'd besides the much bigger Margarito whom Pacquiao still caved his face in.
 
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Sicc OG
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Dude stop it. I knew u would come to Manny's rescue since he is your fav fighter lol. Ruslan beat Bradley to sleep on his fight. Manny never even hurt Bradley lol. I dont care what excuse u make, before the allegations Manny was moving up ko'n cats left and right and then all of a sudden he couldnt anymore lol. Sorry dog but its tru. Got Em!!
 
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Sicc OG
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Yeah you make such compelling arguments. You should join a debate team as I'm sure you'd crush opponents with lines like, "Sorry dog, It's tru". Fuck out of here, dimwit.

Either talk about the fight on hand or don't post. Pretty simple.
 
CZAR

CZAR

Sicc OG
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Hahahaha! Woooooooooooosssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! Damn I didnt know speaking the truth about exposed Manny would upset u so much. Im here for you dog. Woooooooooosssaaaaaaaaaa! Got Em!!
 
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I think Manny was juicin' because he didn't take the test when the offer was on the table. That meant he was hiding something to me. Who turns down a fight over a teaspoon of blood? I had blood taken recently (found out I'm pre-diabetic) and when I left I felt no different. They took a whole vile and I didn't feel dizzy or nothing.

Now that he's clean he's not knocking nobody out and even got knocked out himself. Remember, he dropped Marquez hella times in their previous fight, and now he can't knock him down anymore.
 
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Why the burden's on Chris Algieri to carry promotion for Manny Pacquiao fight

Social media erupted, with the usual vitriol being spewed toward Top Rank chairman Bob Arum and WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao, shortly after news broke Wednesday that Pacquiao will fight Chris Algieri on Nov. 22 in Macau, China.

Despite his win over Ruslan Provodnikov on HBO on June 14, Algieri remains largely unknown to the masses. Hence, the outrage. And he's not a big puncher, so those who do know him aren't happy for that reason.

This clearly isn't a fight fans have been clamoring for or are desperate to see.

Algieri has a lot of attributes that could make him a pay-per-view attraction: He's a good-looking, highly educated, well-spoken guy who is willing to fight anyone. He has a Bachelor of Science in health care sciences and a master's in clinical nutrition from the New York Institute of Technology. He aspires to become a doctor.

But he's a pure boxer and, if he has his way, the fight with Pacquiao is not going to be a toe-to-toe slugfest that puts people on the edge of their seats.

And so Pacquiao, Algieri and Arum are taking it on the chin from boxing fans for what they perceive as a poor match.
The problem that none of those blasting the bout is willing to acknowledge, however, is that it is the fractured nature of the sport that has led to this fight being made.

When Richard Schaefer resigned as CEO of Golden Boy Promotions on June 2, many took it as a sign that the longstanding "Cold War" between Golden Boy and Top Rank was over. And, indeed, one of the sticking points between Schaefer and Golden Boy president Oscar De La Hoya was De La Hoya's insistence on reaching out to Arum and trying to get the companies to work together again.

With the bitterly anti-Arum Schaefer out of the way, it appeared the fights that fans had dreamed of seeing would start to be made.

Eventually, that will be the case. But an arbitration hearing that has yet to be scheduled between Schaefer and Golden Boy, as well as a lawsuit by Main Events against powerful manager Al Haymon and GBP, will slow that process.

Top Rank is unable, at this stage, to make fights with Golden Boy-promoted or Haymon-managed fighters because of the legal situation.

That eliminated such potential Pacquiao opponents as Amir Khan, Keith Thurman, Shawn Porter, Danny Garcia, Robert Guerrero and Lucas Matthysse, among others.

Now, look at Top Rank's stable: Pacquiao has already fought Juan Manuel Marquez four times. He's fought Timothy Bradley twice. He's already beaten Brandon Rios.

Jessie Vargas is a new world champion and would have been a possibility, but he's less known on the major stage than Algieri. Vargas has talent, but he is still a young and developing fighter, probably not nearly ready for the likes of Pacquiao.

Two other possibilities for Pacquiao, according to Arum, were Mike Alvarado, who was drilled by Marquez the last time out and who has lost three of his last four, and Luis Carlos Abregu.

Abregu is 36-1 with 29 knockouts but, unlike Algieri, isn't a world champion. His only loss was by one-sided decision to Bradley on July 17, 2010. In the four years since, he hasn't fought high-level opposition, with wins over Walter Diaz, Javier Mamani, Pedro Verdu, Marco Antonio Avendano, Thomas Dulorme, Antonin Decarie and Jean Carlos Prada.

It's unlikely that the fan base would have found a Pacquiao-Abregu match any more interesting than a Pacquiao-Algieri fight. And because Algieri can speak English and help promote the bout in the U.S., where it is going to need plenty of help to sell pay-per-views, he made more sense than Abregu.

Algieri chuckles quietly at the hubbub. He heard it before his bout with Provodnikov, when many were openly expressing concern for his safety against the power-punching Russian.

He's an easy-going guy who believes he'll be able to convert at least some of the fan base once the promotion for the fight begins in earnest.
"It doesn't bother me," Algieri said. "Those are uneducated fans. Once the press tour happens, and the media starts talking about me, and my camp revs up and everyone sees the things I bring to the table, there will be more interest in the fight. The people who are saying that are the same ones who were saying that before Provodnikov. They didn't know me."

That, in a way, is the problem. Pay-per-view is all about name recognition and at this level, Algieri has little of it.

He faces a massive challenge, because he has to train for what will be the biggest fight of his life. He'll make in excess of $1.5 million to fight Pacquiao, or about 15 times the largest purse he's ever made.

He will need to be primed to face by far the most talented opponent of his career while largely carrying the promotion of the fight in the U.S. Pacquiao is likely to train in the Philippines, which is two hours from Macau, and won't be regularly available to U.S. media.

Algieri plans to start his training camp at home in New York, before likely moving it to Las Vegas. Given Pacquiao's unavailability to American media, Algieri will have an enormous workload and a slew of reporters coming into his camp.

He says he enjoyed the build-up to the Provodnikov fight and sees no issues adding on in order to promote the fight with Pacquiao. Plus, he's confident in his ability to not only sell it, but actually win it.

"He's a different guy than Ruslan, but I think the style matchup is good for me," Algieri said of facing the Pacman. "The size, the way he moves, where he is at this point in his career. He's never fought a guy who is as big or as athletic as I am."

Pacquiao couldn't be reached for comment, and with him tucked away in the Philippines, that's likely to be an ongoing concern for American media during the promotion. As a result, this will likely be the Chris Algieri Show during the build-up.

It's hard to see the fight doing more than 350,000 pay-per-view sales, unless Algieri gets out and can push the bout toward the 450,000 number that Pacquiao reached with Rios.

A bout between Pacquiao and Thurman would have gotten a lot more positive vibe on social media. But that ignores the business realities of making the fight, as well as the fact that Thurman has no higher of a public profile than Algieri.

It's why there is seemingly a love/hate relationship with boxing. As the song said, you can't always get what you want.

It's Pacquiao-Algieri you have to take, and it's Algieri's job to sell it.

Got Em!!
 
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CZAR

CZAR

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With this fight being made I am starting to think the fix was in on Algeri/Ruslan. Arum knows Ruslan would ko Manny and set him up to lose against Algeri thus why he got the decision. This shit is funny. Weve been setup, bamboozled lol. Got Em!!
 
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Coach E. No

Coach E. No

Jesus es Numero Uno
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my goodness with the Floyd vs. Manny negotiations and steroids nonsense still going on...

This was really a brilliant play by Top Rank. It gets Algieri on a bigger stage and even if he loses, there's still some really solid fights for him out there. Honestly, my only gripe about this fight is that it's at 147 instead of 140. I think a lot of us would've picked a different opponent for Manny but I get it. It's a safe play for Manny in a sense, but a good action fight with Algieri because he throws a lot of punches and at so many angles. Hard to see Manny losing a decision in China though too.
 
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Coach E. No

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Jesus es Numero Uno
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CZAR said:
With this fight being made I am starting to think the fix was in on Algeri/Ruslan. Arum knows Ruslan would ko Manny and set him up to lose against Algeri thus why he got the decision. This shit is funny. Weve been setup, bamboozled lol. Got Em!!
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are you freakin serious man? did you watch the fight? You're getting dumber by the day with your stupid posts man.
 
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diggidy405 said:
are you freakin serious man? did you watch the fight? You're getting dumber by the day with your stupid posts man.
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Naw man u are getting dumber. Most online thought Ruslan won. It was bullshit. Now we know why Algeri won lol. Arum needs to bounce. Got Em!!
 
Coach E. No

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Jesus es Numero Uno
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Algieri landed 288 punches to 205. Obviously Provodnkov is a harder puncher and had the knockdowns on his side, but fights are scored round by round. He landed 83 more punches and threw over 250 more if I remember correctly. Like it or not, he was way more active and landing way more often. Provodnikov is my favorite fighter, and I thought it was close, but I can see how he lost. To call that a fixed fight is just stupid. Both dudes took a lot of punishment for there to be a fix.
 
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