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Nope, never put myself in that position.
hats off to you ,I salute you for never having to have sampled any of it but sometimes shit happens or you live a certain way where you get stuck in the same mentality and that same old story.

But saying someone aint a real man because he violated his probation is something you shouldn't say if you never had to experience it at any time,not even been arrested never mind been to jail in your life and sampled that shit your self first hand,niggaz get violated for a gang of dif shit.

not tryna talk shit just callin it how I see it.
 

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#22
hats off to you ,I salute you for never having to have sampled any of it but sometimes shit happens or you live a certain way where you get stuck in the same mentality and that same old story.

But saying someone aint a real man because he violated his probation is something you shouldn't say if you never had to experience it at any time,not even been arrested never mind been to jail in your life and sampled that shit your self first hand,niggaz get violated for a gang of dif shit.

not tryna talk shit just callin it how I see it.
I think everyone's responses in here are justified. we all have been fans of HD for years, we all think he can carry the torch if you will for the next generation of bay rap, he has he talent. but to see him fuck things off by parole/probation violations and selling codeine online is very disappointing as a fan of his music who want nothing more but for him to excel in his craft.
We as black men have to stop blaming the system. Yes we didnt ask to be born in the trap, the jects, the ghetto, etc, but we do have the power to make it out and be moderately successful.
HD has an escape if you will. music. i think if he focused more on music, networking, taking his music out of the bay area and going to other regions etc he wouldnt have to resort to street shit to feed his family. imo.
all these posts knocking his lifestyle are actually constructive criticism. we rootin for H, I wanna see him succeed. I like his message in his music.
 
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I think everyone's responses in here are justified. we all have been fans of HD for years, we all think he can carry the torch if you will for the next generation of bay rap, he has he talent. but to see him fuck things off by parole/probation violations and selling codeine online is very disappointing as a fan of his music who want nothing more but for him to excel in his craft.
We as black men have to stop blaming the system. Yes we didnt ask to be born in the trap, the jects, the ghetto, etc, but we do have the power to make it out and be moderately successful.
HD has an escape if you will. music. i think if he focused more on music, networking, taking his music out of the bay area and going to other regions etc he wouldnt have to resort to street shit to feed his family. imo.
all these posts knocking his lifestyle are actually constructive criticism. we rootin for H, I wanna see him succeed. I like his message in his music.
yeah I feel that to,Im not saying the dude HD is doin the right thing or tryna talk about the Jects mentality cos yeah your right about all that shit,but the dude was generalizing saying real men dont break their probation.Its actually not that hard to keep to your probation if you willing to chill out and cut certain things out and use your brain but then its also hella easy to get fucked over and end up back in jail for just being in the wronng place at the wrong time,fucked up p.o,and what ever else.and yo it aint just we as black men fam its anyone on probation ma nig,I seen white,asian and brown people get fucked over by the system all the same,women aswel ahahah.

Dont think im tryna make excuses for HD cos I dont know shit about him I like HDs music and wish him all the best with it ,if he caught up in that life best he use what talent he got to better himself rather than carry on living like an outlaw shit Hahah
 
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Timebomb, you're making excuses. You say you're not but you are.

Real men don't violate probation when they have kids to feed. That's kid/deadbeat shit. I don't know how you can argue that point.
I aint defending his dumb shit Im saying how can you as someone who has never been arrested in you life let alone been on probation say that Real men dont violate probation??? when all types of people/walks of life commit crime and end up on probation and sometimes violating it through no fault of their own.

kids to feed or not shit happens,how you know his kids aint eating from what money he has already got even though he aint with them??,I agreed with everything in the tread up until I seen you say that shit,I dont really give two fucks if HD violated his shit or how as its nothing new to hear a person has violated their probation through one way or another.
 

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First of all, I've been arrested and spent an afternoon in jail. It was enough for me to know that weeks or months or more would be a waste.

Second, this:
sometimes shit happens or you live a certain way where you get stuck in the same mentality
is:
defending his dumb shit
This:
sometimes violating it through no fault of their own.
is complete bullshit.
 
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First of all, I've been arrested and spent an afternoon in jail. It was enough for me to know that weeks or months or more would be a waste.

Second, this:

is:


This:

is complete bullshit.
well My original question was "have you ever been arrested"

all the other shit you just posted ,how would you even know if you never been on probation???

I aint bout to go round and round with you about shit you never experienced.

A better question would have been

"would you tell the dude to his face he is not a real man for breaking his probation"

would you?
 

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A man is in control of his own actions, makes his own choices, and doesn't blame it on his environment, society, or anyone else. Our definition of the word "man" is clearly different as I hold men to a higher standard than you. Our definition of "excuses" is also different.

A man also makes smart decisions. If he asked me my opinion I would give it but I also wouldn't say it unprovoked. That would not be a smart thing for me to do. Risk my situation to make a point.

And, for the record. HD never told me he is a man or claimed anything as far as I know. His manager did. I was responding to his statement which relieved HD of blame for being in that situation.
 
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A man is in control of his own actions, makes his own choices, and doesn't blame it on his environment, society, or anyone else. Our definition of the word "man" is clearly different as I hold men to a higher standard than you. Our definition of "excuses" is also different.

A man also makes smart decisions. If he asked me my opinion I would give it but I also wouldn't say it unprovoked. That would not be a smart thing for me to do. Risk my situation to make a point.

And, for the record. HD never told me he is a man or claimed anything as far as I know. His manager did. I was responding to his statement which relieved HD of blame for being in that situation.

Sorry dude but you need to stfu now as you just tryna act smart to cover up the fact you said some dumb shit. about shit you have never experienced ...
Yo it aint even worth you having an opinion on the subject if you dumb enough to say some foolishness like that.

Bottom line is you said ANYONE who has violated parold is not a real man.
Thats some dumb shit to say especialy if you never experienced it.

So yeah stfu

You wouldnt say that to the person in questions face so why even post some dumb shit generalizing???
 

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A man is in control of his own actions, makes his own choices, and doesn't blame it on his environment, society, or anyone else. Our definition of the word "man" is clearly different as I hold men to a higher standard than you. Our definition of "excuses" is also different.

A man also makes smart decisions. If he asked me my opinion I would give it but I also wouldn't say it unprovoked. That would not be a smart thing for me to do. Risk my situation to make a point.

And, for the record. HD never told me he is a man or claimed anything as far as I know. His manager did. I was responding to his statement which relieved HD of blame for being in that situation.
You think that every case ever caught was 'fair' and the fault of the dude that got arrested? And I'm not even talking about false arrest and those kinds of things, I'm just talking about police/prosecuters abusing their power for whatever reason and putting bullshit exagerated charges on people. You talk like our criminal system is just, I'd be more than happy to point you in the direction of some counter-evidence, this dude for example: Corrupt ‘Kids for Cash’ judge ruined more than 2,000 lives | New York Post
 
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You think that every case ever caught was 'fair' and the fault of the dude that got arrested? And I'm not even talking about false arrest and those kinds of things, I'm just talking about police/prosecuters abusing their power for whatever reason and putting bullshit exagerated charges on people. You talk like our criminal system is just, I'd be more than happy to point you in the direction of some counter-evidence, this dude for example: Corrupt ‘Kids for Cash’ judge ruined more than 2,000 lives | New York Post
Breh your wasting your time tryna get that dumb fool to understand what he said was retarded lol

"Real men dont violate parole"

Id have not even noticed his post if he'd have said

"sensible people dont try to get violated on they probation" or something realistic ....
 
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people are going to do what they know best... no matter what, being locked down coming right back out and doing the same shit. i myself never been down before but I know a couple of people that have been and when they get back out to the real world its like instinct, you just tryna do what you feel the need to for you and yours.
 
#34
I think everyone's responses in here are justified. we all have been fans of HD for years, we all think he can carry the torch if you will for the next generation of bay rap, he has he talent. but to see him fuck things off by parole/probation violations and selling codeine online is very disappointing as a fan of his music who want nothing more but for him to excel in his craft.
We as black men have to stop blaming the system. Yes we didnt ask to be born in the trap, the jects, the ghetto, etc, but we do have the power to make it out and be moderately successful.
HD has an escape if you will. music. i think if he focused more on music, networking, taking his music out of the bay area and going to other regions etc he wouldnt have to resort to street shit to feed his family. imo.
all these posts knocking his lifestyle are actually constructive criticism. we rootin for H, I wanna see him succeed. I like his message in his music.

Thank you for taking the time to write that out. Each point you made is 100% correct and the kind of response I was looked for.

As someone who has been a long-time fan, and just recently became a consultant, I believe in the artist's ability. In doing so, I believe it takes someone from an outside perspective to help H progress, and that is what I'm trying to provide.

On another note, check out this track from G-Dirty's album Trackin called "On Sight"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlVr-DjGRaU
 
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filthy rich..... hey would you consider x-raided a real man?? just a question since i think you know him

all i know is probation/parole is a fucking trap, its a revolving door. and not everyone is in the same situation as the next man. if im struggling and violate probation or catch a case doing what i have to do to put food/ money on the table, i nor anyone i know that cares about me would think any less of myself, disappointed? yea, that damn sure wouldnt make me less of a man lol
 

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Bottom line is you said ANYONE who has violated parold is not a real man.
No, I said if they have kids/mouths to feed. You must have missed that part.

You wouldnt say that to the person in questions face so why even post some dumb shit generalizing???
I said that I would say it to him if asked. Again you misread. Thanks for finding that old pic though. You still haven't countered with anything other than an attack on my character.

Ne Obliviscaris said:
You think that every case ever caught was 'fair' and the fault of the dude that got arrested?
Didn't say it was fair but dude shares the blame.

MAC-11 said:
filthy rich..... hey would you consider x-raided a real man?? just a question since i think you know him
I was talking to X earlier this week. These were his exact words: "Yeah, the lil homie pulled the trigger but I would've done it too." He caught an unfair case but accepted responsibility. He was also 17 when that happened and definitely not a man yet. He has also repeated this phrase in his music "When I was a child I thought as a child. When I became a man I put away childish things."

MAC-11 said:
if im struggling and violate probation or catch a case doing what i have to do to put food/ money on the table, i nor anyone i know that cares about me would think any less of myself
Surround yourself with like minded individuals. I disagree with them. If you go to jail and leave kids at home growing up without a father then you are not taking care of your responsibilities. I would think less of you but that's just me. I'd hope you'd be disappointed with yourself too.
 

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No, I said if they have kids/mouths to feed. You must have missed that part.


I said that I would say it to him if asked. Again you misread. Thanks for finding that old pic though. You still haven't countered with anything other than an attack on my character.


Didn't say it was fair but dude shares the blame.


I was talking to X earlier this week. These were his exact words: "Yeah, the lil homie pulled the trigger but I would've done it too." He caught an unfair case but accepted responsibility. He was also 17 when that happened and definitely not a man yet. He has also repeated this phrase in his music "When I was a child I thought as a child. When I became a man I put away childish things."


Surround yourself with like minded individuals. I disagree with them. If you go to jail and leave kids at home growing up without a father then you are not taking care of your responsibilities. I would think less of you but that's just me. I'd hope you'd be disappointed with yourself too.
I find it amazing that you believe the world is such a fair and just place. I've noticed that in a lot of your posts you seems to assume that people get what they deserve, and those that are successfull are so because of some spectacular work ethic, or whatever. This would be a fair enough point of view if everyone started from the same place in life, but thats just not the case. Some people hit the socioeconomic jack pot and benifit from that all the time. Folks from other less advantaged soicioeconomic classes don't have the advantages that, I'm guessing from your pic, you, take for granted. I think this is the point that Rasan @Rasan was getting at. So don't say that everyone deserves what they get from the legal system when you've spent a sum total of one afternoon in jail, and have zero idea about the actual experience of other groups except your conversations with x-raided. I'd never be arrogant enough to claim to understand what its like going through life as someone else, but you seem to think you have perfect insight.
 

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Didn't say everyone gets what they deserve. Never said it was fair. But you are responsible for your own actions. You make the choices. And you share the blame for the outcome.

I'd never be arrogant enough to claim to understand what its like going through life as someone else
I'm guessing from your pic, you, take for granted.
 

Ne Obliviscaris

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Didn't say everyone gets what they deserve. Never said it was fair. But you are responsible for your own actions. You make the choices. And you share the blame for the outcome.
That remark about your picture wasnt me talking shit about you, just to clarify, I was talking about your socioeconomic status, and being white--as am I--confers particular benefits. My apologies if that came across wrong. Even though we seem to disagree pretty strongly, I appreciate that this has been a civil discussion.