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Smarter move to me is actually fight Froch in Canada. They turn in huge crowds and appreciate the 168lb division more than U.S. does (I know this sounds silly but Europe and Canada show more support to these divisions than most other countries because of their ties to their countrymen). Ward isn't going to sell tickets in Vegas any more than he would in Atlantic City or MSG. This is a long topic of conversation. But the promoters could put on a decent card in Canada with them as the headliners and HBO has shown that they are willing to do a card from there. Best idea in my book and Ward takes a significantly smaller chance of being robbed of a decision than going to England or anywhere in Europe.
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Mayweather WILL fight Canelo on September 14th!
By Robert Jackson | Published May 27, 2013 | 109 Comments
dot Mayweather WILL fight Canelo on September 14th!
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floyd5645 420x251 Mayweather WILL fight Canelo on September 14th!The WARM but not hot PPV buys for the Mayweather/Guerrero fight were all but expected by Showtime brass, but in lieu of the $250M Mayweather contract, Mayweather’s next 5 outings WILL bear the expectation of superior PPV buys; in fact Showtime has ‘delusions of grandeur’ that one or 2 of Mayweather fights under their banner will come close to or SURPASS the record set by the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight of 2007.
In order for a record setting event to happen, Mayweather who has more naysayers and critics then supporters, must appear to those detractors to be afraid to fight the expected opponent (Canelo Alvarez), the perception that Mayweather can be ‘beaten badly’ by that opponent must also be believable.
The savvy businessman that Mayweather is will do everything he can to appease those who do not like him and minimize his accomplishments, and it’s not like he’ll be going out of his way to do this, thus building the fight into a bigger event.
Mayweather will dig deep into his bag of tricks to use strategies that will make it look like he’s unwilling to face Alvarez, and his haters will perceive this as cowardice. He will make outlandish demands for perhaps a catchweight fight or even demand that his opponent come down in weight to face him. Floyd may even announce that he’s fighting somebody else! These requests and announcements will send the boxing world, especially his antagonists into an uproar, and many critics will question his motives, legacy and even his manhood. After these initial gestures and some others, Mayweather will go quiet making no decision whatsoever about fighting anyone, and the hate and nay-saying will build to a crescendo.
By Robert Jackson | Published May 27, 2013 | 109 Comments
dot Mayweather WILL fight Canelo on September 14th!
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floyd5645 420x251 Mayweather WILL fight Canelo on September 14th!The WARM but not hot PPV buys for the Mayweather/Guerrero fight were all but expected by Showtime brass, but in lieu of the $250M Mayweather contract, Mayweather’s next 5 outings WILL bear the expectation of superior PPV buys; in fact Showtime has ‘delusions of grandeur’ that one or 2 of Mayweather fights under their banner will come close to or SURPASS the record set by the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight of 2007.
In order for a record setting event to happen, Mayweather who has more naysayers and critics then supporters, must appear to those detractors to be afraid to fight the expected opponent (Canelo Alvarez), the perception that Mayweather can be ‘beaten badly’ by that opponent must also be believable.
The savvy businessman that Mayweather is will do everything he can to appease those who do not like him and minimize his accomplishments, and it’s not like he’ll be going out of his way to do this, thus building the fight into a bigger event.
Mayweather will dig deep into his bag of tricks to use strategies that will make it look like he’s unwilling to face Alvarez, and his haters will perceive this as cowardice. He will make outlandish demands for perhaps a catchweight fight or even demand that his opponent come down in weight to face him. Floyd may even announce that he’s fighting somebody else! These requests and announcements will send the boxing world, especially his antagonists into an uproar, and many critics will question his motives, legacy and even his manhood. After these initial gestures and some others, Mayweather will go quiet making no decision whatsoever about fighting anyone, and the hate and nay-saying will build to a crescendo.
De La Hoya believes Canelo is fighting Mayweather at the right time
May 31st, 2013 | Post Comment
Mayweather Alvarez Mayweather vs. Alvarez saul alvarez oscar de la hoya floyd mayweather jr By Chris Williams: Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions believes that WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez is getting Floyd Mayweather Jr. at the right time in Mayweather’s career with him showing signs of aging at 36 and with Canelo coming off of a 12 round unanimous decision win over WBA junior middleweight champion Austin Trout last April in San Antonio, Texas. Trout is the perfect opponent for Canelo to get ready for Mayweather.
De La Hoya said to RingTV.com “I don’t think it’s too soon [for Canelo]. I think that it’s the perfect moment…Canelo is only getting better…this is the perfect time, the perfect time.”
I don’t believe that Canelo is getting better. He looks to be one of those fighters that matures early and will likely be over the hill by the time he’s 33. I don’t think he’s going to be one of those fighters that fights at a high level until 36 like Mayweather.
I can’t see that happening because his last fight against Trout, which Canelo barely won, showed a fighter who can’t fight hard for three minutes and who has serious stamina problems. Canelo looked mechanical in that fight and not fast. He’s not someone that will be able to do take a lot of rest breaks and beat Mayweather because the fight won’t have open scoring, so he’ll have to fight hard because he won’t know what the scores are.
If Golden Boy Promotions wanted to improve their chances of Canelo winning the fight, they probably should have waited until Mayweather was at the last fight of his six-fight contract with Showtime/CBS. However, it’s the right time for Canelo to take the fight now because he’s probably as good as he’ll ever been at 22, and I can’t see his stamina getting any better a year from now. I think it’s all downhill from here for the red-headed fighter.
Canelo will have a big weight advantage in the fight. and if he comes into the fight weighing 170, then that might be enough to win. He’s fighting a welterweight while weighing near or at the light heavyweight limit. If that’s not enough for Canelo to beat Mayweather then there’s nothing he can do about it.
Weighing 20 pounds more than Mayweather is really Canelo’s only advantage. He’s not as good as him and never will be. Canelo is just someone that Golden Boy is angling against lighter guys from the welterweight division. He’s not fighting guys 20 pounds heavier than himself and he probably never will.
Golden Boy won’t let that happen. If the shoe was on the other foot and Canelo was unbeaten at 36-years-old, and Mayweather was 22 and had a 20 pound weight advantage, I don’t think De La Hoya or Golden Boy would dare putting Canelo in with Mayweather.
They’re doing it now because Canelo is basically a middleweight/super middleweight and he’s got a big weight advantage over Mayweather.
Golden Boy doesn’t want to put Canelo in with middleweights like Gennady Golovkin or Peter Quillin because those guys can really punch and Canelo’s weight advantage wouldn’t be 20 pounds like it was with Mayweather. He’d still likely have a weight advantage over those middleweights, but not a huge weight advantage
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Mayweather Alvarez Mayweather vs. Alvarez saul alvarez oscar de la hoya floyd mayweather jr By Chris Williams: Oscar De La Hoya of Golden Boy Promotions believes that WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez is getting Floyd Mayweather Jr. at the right time in Mayweather’s career with him showing signs of aging at 36 and with Canelo coming off of a 12 round unanimous decision win over WBA junior middleweight champion Austin Trout last April in San Antonio, Texas. Trout is the perfect opponent for Canelo to get ready for Mayweather.
De La Hoya said to RingTV.com “I don’t think it’s too soon [for Canelo]. I think that it’s the perfect moment…Canelo is only getting better…this is the perfect time, the perfect time.”
I don’t believe that Canelo is getting better. He looks to be one of those fighters that matures early and will likely be over the hill by the time he’s 33. I don’t think he’s going to be one of those fighters that fights at a high level until 36 like Mayweather.
I can’t see that happening because his last fight against Trout, which Canelo barely won, showed a fighter who can’t fight hard for three minutes and who has serious stamina problems. Canelo looked mechanical in that fight and not fast. He’s not someone that will be able to do take a lot of rest breaks and beat Mayweather because the fight won’t have open scoring, so he’ll have to fight hard because he won’t know what the scores are.
If Golden Boy Promotions wanted to improve their chances of Canelo winning the fight, they probably should have waited until Mayweather was at the last fight of his six-fight contract with Showtime/CBS. However, it’s the right time for Canelo to take the fight now because he’s probably as good as he’ll ever been at 22, and I can’t see his stamina getting any better a year from now. I think it’s all downhill from here for the red-headed fighter.
Canelo will have a big weight advantage in the fight. and if he comes into the fight weighing 170, then that might be enough to win. He’s fighting a welterweight while weighing near or at the light heavyweight limit. If that’s not enough for Canelo to beat Mayweather then there’s nothing he can do about it.
Weighing 20 pounds more than Mayweather is really Canelo’s only advantage. He’s not as good as him and never will be. Canelo is just someone that Golden Boy is angling against lighter guys from the welterweight division. He’s not fighting guys 20 pounds heavier than himself and he probably never will.
Golden Boy won’t let that happen. If the shoe was on the other foot and Canelo was unbeaten at 36-years-old, and Mayweather was 22 and had a 20 pound weight advantage, I don’t think De La Hoya or Golden Boy would dare putting Canelo in with Mayweather.
They’re doing it now because Canelo is basically a middleweight/super middleweight and he’s got a big weight advantage over Mayweather.
Golden Boy doesn’t want to put Canelo in with middleweights like Gennady Golovkin or Peter Quillin because those guys can really punch and Canelo’s weight advantage wouldn’t be 20 pounds like it was with Mayweather. He’d still likely have a weight advantage over those middleweights, but not a huge weight advantage
Berto: I could be facing Mayweather next year
May 31st, 2013 | Post Comment
Berto Soto Karass Berto vs. Soto Karass jesus soto karass floyd mayweather jr andre berto By Dan Ambrose: With two losses in his last three fights, former IBF/WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto’s career as a upper level fighter is on the ropes as he approaches his July 27th fight against Jesus Soto Karass (27-8-3, 17 KO’s) at the AT&T Center, in San Antonio, Texas, USA.
Despite how bleak things are looking for the 29-year-old Berto, he thinks he has a good chance of getting a fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. next year if he can somehow get past Soto Karass. However, it’s incredibly difficult to imagine Mayweather turning his sights towards Berto, even if he gets past Soto Karass in July.
Mayweather would take too much heavy criticism if he chose to fight a guy that was thrashed by Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero last year. Boxing fans haven’t forgotten how badly Berto was beaten by Guerrero in their fight last November, and a win over Soto Karass isn’t going to be big enough to erase that defeat in the minds of fans.
Berto said to ESPN “I may be seeing Floyd next year…I’m the next thing to Floyd, so if they beat me, they can face the best.”
I think Berto is more of a stepping stone type of fighter at this stage in his career rather than a potential Mayweather opponent.
Berto’s losses to Guerrero and Victor Ortiz have shown pretty clearly that he doesn’t have what it takes to function at the upper level of the welterweight division. I don’t see that changing.
Berto was arguably a better fighter five or six years ago when he was able to fight hard in the center of the ring without needing to rest with his back against the ropes. Berto now fights like a fighter at least 10 years older than his chronological age, and I think he’s not get any better.
What’s surprising is that Showtime will be televising Berto’s fight with Soto-Karass. Usually when a fighter has lost two out of his last three fights like Berto has, you don’t see them fighting on the premium channels like Showtime or HBO unless they’re buried on the undercard.
If Berto loses this fight then I can’t see Showtime wanting to continue to televise his fights because it’s not interesting for boxing fans to see guys who have lost three out of their last four fights.
I expect Soto-Karass to beat Berto on July 27th and knock him out of the 1st tier of the welterweight division. At that point Berto’s career will be in a death spiral that I doubt he’ll be able to ever escap
May 31st, 2013 | Post Comment
Berto Soto Karass Berto vs. Soto Karass jesus soto karass floyd mayweather jr andre berto By Dan Ambrose: With two losses in his last three fights, former IBF/WBC welterweight champion Andre Berto’s career as a upper level fighter is on the ropes as he approaches his July 27th fight against Jesus Soto Karass (27-8-3, 17 KO’s) at the AT&T Center, in San Antonio, Texas, USA.
Despite how bleak things are looking for the 29-year-old Berto, he thinks he has a good chance of getting a fight against Floyd Mayweather Jr. next year if he can somehow get past Soto Karass. However, it’s incredibly difficult to imagine Mayweather turning his sights towards Berto, even if he gets past Soto Karass in July.
Mayweather would take too much heavy criticism if he chose to fight a guy that was thrashed by Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero last year. Boxing fans haven’t forgotten how badly Berto was beaten by Guerrero in their fight last November, and a win over Soto Karass isn’t going to be big enough to erase that defeat in the minds of fans.
Berto said to ESPN “I may be seeing Floyd next year…I’m the next thing to Floyd, so if they beat me, they can face the best.”
I think Berto is more of a stepping stone type of fighter at this stage in his career rather than a potential Mayweather opponent.
Berto’s losses to Guerrero and Victor Ortiz have shown pretty clearly that he doesn’t have what it takes to function at the upper level of the welterweight division. I don’t see that changing.
Berto was arguably a better fighter five or six years ago when he was able to fight hard in the center of the ring without needing to rest with his back against the ropes. Berto now fights like a fighter at least 10 years older than his chronological age, and I think he’s not get any better.
What’s surprising is that Showtime will be televising Berto’s fight with Soto-Karass. Usually when a fighter has lost two out of his last three fights like Berto has, you don’t see them fighting on the premium channels like Showtime or HBO unless they’re buried on the undercard.
If Berto loses this fight then I can’t see Showtime wanting to continue to televise his fights because it’s not interesting for boxing fans to see guys who have lost three out of their last four fights.
I expect Soto-Karass to beat Berto on July 27th and knock him out of the 1st tier of the welterweight division. At that point Berto’s career will be in a death spiral that I doubt he’ll be able to ever escap
The Super Six: Is that really it all finished?
May 31st, 2013 | Post Comment
By Rusty Nate: Over the last few years we, the boxing fans, were treated to a first in world boxing. The Super Six Tournament!
It was an amazing yet so simple idea to take 6 of the top Super Middleweights put together a schedule and points system and let them climb all over each other to come out on top as the Worlds Best Super Middleweight and win the title of Super Six Champion.
The fighters in the Super Six were more than willing, they traveled everywhere and they fought each other without the fuss of money splits, venue choice, random blood testing or any other of the common excuses used today in order to snub the biggest fights. The tournament was a great success (as Borat might say). The fighters loved it, the fans loved it and the money generated was huge!
Here’s the problem, now that the Super Six has finished its all gone out the window. Already two of the fighters who contested the final without any problems or issues making the fight happen suddenly have all these demands about who goes where and who gets paid more etc Where di the guys go that just wanted to fight and win without all the moaning and childish whining?
Someone needs to get back to the drawing board and bring back this tournament for the sake of the boxing fans and the sport itself!
I am pretty sure that if you ask any boxing fan they could rattle off 6 top fighters in every division from Lightweight upwards to Heavyweight that make a great follow up to the Super Six, why isn’t this happening!
Welterweight / Light Welterweight alone could boast a super six consisting of the likes of Pacquiao, Marquez, Bradley, Garcia, Matthysse, Khan, Ortiz, Alexander, Rios and even Broner in the coming months. (I didnt include Mayweather because I don’t see him as a tournament kind of guy)
Its just frustrating that such a successful tournament as the Super Six has not been followed up. Prize Fighter in the UK was a great idea for up and coming fighters and old veterans to clash and see who is the best, That’s why the Prize Fighter is still going strong in various weight classes. if it works, keep doing it!
I hope someone has the brains and more importantly the influence to put something together soon. With the current exception of Mayweather and Alvarez I am getting really tired of all the politics and demands surrounding every potential superfight. This tournament took those politics away! Bring it on
May 31st, 2013 | Post Comment
By Rusty Nate: Over the last few years we, the boxing fans, were treated to a first in world boxing. The Super Six Tournament!
It was an amazing yet so simple idea to take 6 of the top Super Middleweights put together a schedule and points system and let them climb all over each other to come out on top as the Worlds Best Super Middleweight and win the title of Super Six Champion.
The fighters in the Super Six were more than willing, they traveled everywhere and they fought each other without the fuss of money splits, venue choice, random blood testing or any other of the common excuses used today in order to snub the biggest fights. The tournament was a great success (as Borat might say). The fighters loved it, the fans loved it and the money generated was huge!
Here’s the problem, now that the Super Six has finished its all gone out the window. Already two of the fighters who contested the final without any problems or issues making the fight happen suddenly have all these demands about who goes where and who gets paid more etc Where di the guys go that just wanted to fight and win without all the moaning and childish whining?
Someone needs to get back to the drawing board and bring back this tournament for the sake of the boxing fans and the sport itself!
I am pretty sure that if you ask any boxing fan they could rattle off 6 top fighters in every division from Lightweight upwards to Heavyweight that make a great follow up to the Super Six, why isn’t this happening!
Welterweight / Light Welterweight alone could boast a super six consisting of the likes of Pacquiao, Marquez, Bradley, Garcia, Matthysse, Khan, Ortiz, Alexander, Rios and even Broner in the coming months. (I didnt include Mayweather because I don’t see him as a tournament kind of guy)
Its just frustrating that such a successful tournament as the Super Six has not been followed up. Prize Fighter in the UK was a great idea for up and coming fighters and old veterans to clash and see who is the best, That’s why the Prize Fighter is still going strong in various weight classes. if it works, keep doing it!
I hope someone has the brains and more importantly the influence to put something together soon. With the current exception of Mayweather and Alvarez I am getting really tired of all the politics and demands surrounding every potential superfight. This tournament took those politics away! Bring it on
So the #2 P4P boxer Ward is begging to fight a guy he already beat in Froch. Ward need to stop the bullshit and move up already. He should've fought Bute instead acting like a bitch and letting Froch do it. Dude is in his prime and can't stay healthy and is too scared to move up in weight. I lost respect for dude begging for rematches against guys u already beat.
It's pretty simple - there aren't many options for Ward, even if he moves up to 175.
Carl Froch
Mikkel Kessler
Edwin Rodriguez
Bernard Hopkins
Adonis Stevenson/Chad Dawson winner
Chavez Jr. (very unlikely)
Lucian Bute/Pascal winner
Tavoris Cloud
The biggest money fights for Ward are rematches between either Froch/Kessler, or Bute/Pascal winner (but they aren't fighting till the end of the year since Bute got injured).
Ward had a couple injuries, but that's not uncommon. He fought twice in 2011, beat Dawson in Sept of 2012 and injured his hand (or shoulder can't remember).
Obviously a great fighter but he's in the unfortunate situation of not having great competition around him since he beat all the top guys already.
As for Bute, a lot of the Super Six guys were mad at Bute for fighting bums while they were all fighting eachother. Ward felt like Bute didn't earn shit, which he didn't. Froch fought him because Froch was coming off a loss and it meant a lot more to Froch's career at the time.
Carl Froch
Mikkel Kessler
Edwin Rodriguez
Bernard Hopkins
Adonis Stevenson/Chad Dawson winner
Chavez Jr. (very unlikely)
Lucian Bute/Pascal winner
Tavoris Cloud
The biggest money fights for Ward are rematches between either Froch/Kessler, or Bute/Pascal winner (but they aren't fighting till the end of the year since Bute got injured).
Ward had a couple injuries, but that's not uncommon. He fought twice in 2011, beat Dawson in Sept of 2012 and injured his hand (or shoulder can't remember).
Obviously a great fighter but he's in the unfortunate situation of not having great competition around him since he beat all the top guys already.
As for Bute, a lot of the Super Six guys were mad at Bute for fighting bums while they were all fighting eachother. Ward felt like Bute didn't earn shit, which he didn't. Froch fought him because Froch was coming off a loss and it meant a lot more to Froch's career at the time.
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Errol Spence fighting on Fox Sports to today everyone check him out if u can, kid is the truth.
Also anyone realize Gamboa is fighting next week? 50 cent is proving he don't know what the fuck he's doing. A high risk low reward fight for Gamboa which hasn't even been promoted! Biggest mistake of Gamboa's career signing with 50. Was in verge of stardom now nearly irrelevant smh.
Also anyone realize Gamboa is fighting next week? 50 cent is proving he don't know what the fuck he's doing. A high risk low reward fight for Gamboa which hasn't even been promoted! Biggest mistake of Gamboa's career signing with 50. Was in verge of stardom now nearly irrelevant smh.
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Being scared of a fighter and being scared of not living up to shosports expectations are two different things. Do you understand that? So if he's not scared, he would have cared less about fighting Canelo cuz ppv numbers would still have sho racking in millions and he would defend his title at 154 like he's supposed to. He did the right thing by fighting Canelo, but not the way a real champ would. Just like Manny. Right?
You do know 154lb is Mayweather 5th weight. Let me break it down for you slow people Mayweather fought and won title belts against the number #1 guy in 5 different weight divisions (130,135,140,147, and 154) He didn't fight for a vacant belt or a interm title he actually beat the real champ. Now when Ward becomes a multiple division champ holla at me.
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