Boxing schedule for the month of December

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Jan 12, 2006
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Because Canelo isn't elite yet himself. He hasn't fought any prime elite fighters so he's a bit unproven still. I don't think Canelo deserves to be on some pedestal without proving he belongs there. Plus, he's running out of opponents. Unless he can get Floyd, who else is there to fight at 154?
wait it out until Floyd bites, just like Bradley did with Pacquiao. I'm sure if he can't fight mayweather or martinez Canelo will end up fighting someone, that someone else is just last resort.
 
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2 of Cottos 4 losses are against cheaters and he won more rounds against Mayweather then anyone. So cuz Canelos only 22 he has an excuse yet deserves a fight with Mayweather lol. You dont just get to fight the best right off the bat I dont care how popular u are
 
May 13, 2002
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Let's be fair. No one should shit on Cotto and no one should shit on Canelo.

Yes, Canelo is 22 years old but he's been a pro for 7 years. He's no rookie. If he's a top fighter he shouldn't have a problem fighting other top fighters. Cotto is a massive star and a proven vet and he had no problem fighting Trout.

Cotto is at the tail end of his career losing to Trout is not shameful. Cotto is a hall of fame fighter and he's gone through a gauntlet of tough opponents from 140 to 154 ( Randall Bailey, DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Paulie Malignaggi, Carlos Quintana, Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Pac, Floyd & Trout).

With that said, just because Canelo hasn't fought the same quality opponents doesn't mean he wont beat the likes of Trout, Lara, Kirkland, etc.
 
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Yeah i thought the Ghost was more of a bitch then Trout they cant both suck a dick.
Oh ok. Got Em!!

Like I've been saying for almost a year, WHY WOULD CANELO WASTE HIS TIME ON TROUT OR LARA??? Shitty money compared to other options and Lara and Trout don't seem elite to me. I rather see Canelo fight Chavez, Martinez, Mayweather, and even Cotto before getting worked tonight. lol @ trout and lara.
What?? Who the fuck is Canelo? What has he done that Trout & Lara hasnt? Atleast Trout fought Cotto and Lara fought P. Williams. Who has Canelo fought? Just because Lara & Trout dont seem to be elite to doesnt mean they arent and how is Canelo elite if they arent? Yall killing me over here. Got Em!!

It's the ginger curse, man.

Paul Williams/James Kirkland/Victor Ortiz/Miguel Cotto. Think I'm forgetting someone too.
Yea man dude needs to stay at home and let the fights happen so he can get a good fight. He is lucking out everytime and hasnt fought no one yet he gets so much "elite" praise lol. Got Em!!

bitch was cotto leaving the ring to cry in the stands and then making a quick exit to the locker room. Act like a real champ and show the youngster that fought you some respect, he earned it.
Cotto did give him his props before he left. Cotto also left after the Mayweather fight also. Got Em!!

Cottos fought everyone, Canelo has fought noone lol
Agreed. Got Em!!

wait it out until Floyd bites, just like Bradley did with Pacquiao. I'm sure if he can't fight mayweather or martinez Canelo will end up fighting someone, that someone else is just last resort.
Wait it out for how long? Bradley been fighting until he got Manny. He didnt wait for Manny. He still scheduled fights. I bet he does fight someone that is last resort and it will be the same shit over and over. He will look dominant against a scrub and get more praise. So he will waste time with a last resort guy but wont fight Trout or Lara. Makes no sense to me. Got Em!!

canelo is only 22.

Besides Cotto's biggest fights he got worked, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Margarito, and now Trout. He's lucky he won't be seeing Canelo or that would be another L.
He actually worked Marg after Marg cheated. Got Em!!
 

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Let's be fair. No one should shit on Cotto and no one should shit on Canelo.

Yes, Canelo is 22 years old but he's been a pro for 7 years. He's no rookie. If he's a top fighter he shouldn't have a problem fighting other top fighters. Cotto is a massive star and a proven vet and he had no problem fighting Trout.

Cotto is at the tail end of his career losing to Trout is not shameful. Cotto is a hall of fame fighter and he's gone through a gauntlet of tough opponents from 140 to 154 ( Randall Bailey, DeMarcus Corley, Ricardo Torres, Paulie Malignaggi, Carlos Quintana, Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Margarito, Clottey, Pac, Floyd & Trout).

With that said, just because Canelo hasn't fought the same quality opponents doesn't mean he wont beat the likes of Trout, Lara, Kirkland, etc.
Agreed. I think Canelo is a beast but at the same time he still needs to pay his dues and prove he is a beast and fight the fighters in his division that are champs and are his main competition. Just waiting for 2 fighters is rediculous. Got Em!!
 
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You act like Canelo started fighting yesterday, I don't think Canelo should fight mayweather just off popularity even though that is a major factor. I also think Canelo has what it takes to beat mayweather. Not saying Canelo is better then mayweather just saying he gots what it takes. You said yourself Cotto gave mayweather everything he could handle , well in my opinion canelo at this point is a lot better then cotto. Mayweather hasn't gotten younger since he fought cotto. So all those variables make me believe Canelo can upset mayweather.
 
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Agreed. I think Canelo is a beast but at the same time he still needs to pay his dues and prove he is a beast and fight the fighters in his division that are champs and are his main competition. Just waiting for 2 fighters is rediculous. Got Em!!
right. at the same time some of it isn't his fault as he did try to fight paul williams, kirkland & ortiz (and probably cotto). So he's had some bad luck too securing quality names.
 
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C'mon on bro, doesn't look good if you can't give Pac his props for that win. He beat Cotto fair & square and cotto looked great first 3-4 rounds before getting dropped twice.
Naw it wasnt cheating but Manny had big advantages. The catchweight and also the mental state of Cotto coming off that Marg loss and the discovery of Marg getting caught cheating against Mosley. I dont think Cotto had a clear head at that time. Got Em!!
 
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You act like Canelo started fighting yesterday, I don't think Canelo should fight mayweather just off popularity even though that is a major factor. I also think Canelo has what it takes to beat mayweather. Not saying Canelo is better then mayweather just saying he gots what it takes. You said yourself Cotto gave mayweather everything he could handle , well in my opinion canelo at this point is a lot better then cotto. Mayweather hasn't gotten younger since he fought cotto. So all those variables make me believe Canelo can upset mayweather.
it would serve Canelo a great lesson fighting Trout (or Lara) before Mayweather. The reason is because Canelo has never fought a truly defensive minded fighter. He has no real experience against a guy who is going to be defensive and/or stay at a distance. Not saying Trout or Lara fight anything like Floyd, but it's a good learning experience nonetheless that will help him prepare for a guy like Floyd.
 

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You act like Canelo started fighting yesterday, I don't think Canelo should fight mayweather just off popularity even though that is a major factor. I also think Canelo has what it takes to beat mayweather. Not saying Canelo is better then mayweather just saying he gots what it takes. You said yourself Cotto gave mayweather everything he could handle , well in my opinion canelo at this point is a lot better then cotto. Mayweather hasn't gotten younger since he fought cotto. So all those variables make me believe Canelo can upset mayweather.
Not sure if this was for me but it doesnt matter if u think Canelo can upset Mayweather. We are saying that he isnt any better than Trout, Lara etc....in thinking he should get the big money fights without fighting anyone remotely any good. He has a wack resume and needs to earn these big money fights. Whether he can beat this guy or not is irrelevant. Got Em!!

right. at the same time some of it isn't his fault as he did try to fight paul williams, kirkland & ortiz (and probably cotto). So he's had some bad luck too securing quality names.
I think he has a voodoo on these guys and gets out of fighting them so he doesnt have to fight lol. Got Em!!
 
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Naw it wasnt cheating but Manny had big advantages. The catchweight and also the mental state of Cotto coming off that Marg loss and the discovery of Marg getting caught cheating against Mosley. I dont think Cotto had a clear head at that time. Got Em!!
lol @ giving Cotto credit for beating margarito who had one foot out the door already after manny destoryed his face, basically caved his eye socket it, but then using cotto not having a "clear head at that time" as an excuse to why he loss to manny.
 
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Naw it wasnt cheating but Manny had big advantages. The catchweight and also the mental state of Cotto coming off that Marg loss and the discovery of Marg getting caught cheating against Mosley. I dont think Cotto had a clear head at that time. Got Em!!
let's not start the catchweight debate one pound isn't that series and cotto looked in fantastic shape (and stated he was in fantastic shape). As for the Margs loss, Cotto had two fights after that against Jennings and Clottey. I think any doubts in himself he shredded after surviving the Clottey scare and finished the fight so strongly when he needed to. I think that proved all he needed to know that he could face adversity and win.
 
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Not sure if this was for me but it doesnt matter if u think Canelo can upset Mayweather. We are saying that he isnt any better than Trout, Lara etc....in thinking he should get the big money fights without fighting anyone remotely any good. He has a wack resume and needs to earn these big money fights. Whether he can beat this guy or not is irrelevant. Got Em!!
Are you completely blind to boxing politics or do you just choose to go by them when it favors a fighter you root for?? You act like boxing has a playoff system in place or something where you have to go through a certain ladder or process before you can face a certain fighter. Canelo is obviously the golden child of Golden boy, therefore he gets what fight he and his team want when they want it. Same goes for Arum and pacquaio and Haymon and mayweather. Every promoter is going to carefully take care of their investment.
 
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Are you completely blind to boxing politics or do you just choose to go by them when it favors a fighter you root for?? You act boxing has a playoff system or something where you have to go through a certain ladder or process before you can face certain fighter. Canelo is obviously the golden child of Golden boy, therefore he gets what fight he and his team want when they want it. Same goes for Arum and pacquaio and Haymon and mayweather. Every promoter is going to carefully take care of their investment.
he's also a fighter that can make at least some of his decisions. Like I said before Cotto is a massive star, he's a free agent (meaning he dictates everything) and he chose to fight a real champion in Trout after the Floyd loss. He didn't have to do that. Golden Boy (or Top rank) could have made just about any fight he wanted. Fans would have paid to see a tune up fight. But Cotto chose to take a tough, dangerous fight. Canelo has that option too, politics or not.
 

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lol @ giving Cotto credit for beating margarito who had one foot out the door already after manny destoryed his face, basically caved his eye socket it, but then using cotto not having a "clear head at that time" as an excuse to why he loss to manny.
Dude Marg's eye was ok'd by the doctor and they said it was 100%. They also fought at a real weight and no catchweight. Maybe the head part was a bit much but Cotto was drained and Manny always fight his big fights for the most part at catchweights. Anyway it is what it is. Got Em!!

let's not start the catchweight debate one pound isn't that series and cotto looked in fantastic shape (and stated he was in fantastic shape). As for the Margs loss, Cotto had two fights after that against Jennings and Clottey. I think any doubts in himself he shredded after surviving the Clottey scare and finished the fight so strongly when he needed to. I think that proved all he needed to know that he could face adversity and win.
We all have our opinions about this so its good. Got Em!!

Are you completely blind to boxing politics or do you just choose to go by them when it favors a fighter you root for?? You act like boxing has a playoff system in place or something where you have to go through a certain ladder or process before you can face a certain fighter. Canelo is obviously the golden child of Golden boy, therefore he gets what fight he and his team want when they want it. Same goes for Arum and pacquaio and Haymon and mayweather. Every promoter is going to carefully take care of their investment.
Are u blind? How dare u compare Canelo to Floyd or Manny. Those dudes paid many dues and fought many great fighters before they started handpicking fights and calling their own shots! Get real man. Canelo aint fought shit and needs to atleast fight one good fighter let alone great fighter. Got Em!!