Pakistani people are brutally weird.

[SouthernComfort]

I do think it is weird to kill your own child, regardless of culture. ( & via an acid bath... that is cruel & unusual punishment )

You are right man, I am far from racist... yes I am a bit prejudice at times, but not racial in any way. I just cant say it is okay to harm your own children, no matter where in the world you were raised.

I know the Amish ( for instance ) shun their children who leave the Amish community. I dont agree with that, either. Yes, it is a different culture in there as well, but it is still in America. I know it is not impossible, but I do not hear of them killing their kids for leaving. ( this is just an example )


Bottom line is this: The love I have for my child, will always overcome worldly views. If the entire world wanted to kill me, because of honor over something my child did, I would still have his back til i laid dead in my tomb & say 'fuck honor, this is my blood'... lets get down.

& Brotha, I extend the courtesy to all foreign countries. What I wouldnt extend the courtesy to is someone who i deem, in my morals, wrong.

That is exactly what I deem their views. Killing is wrong in every way unless you are defending you, your family, & those who cannot help themselves.

They boast hundreds of killings each year in the name of honor.

there is NO honor in killing, hurting, maiming children. Much less your own.

Man, I wish Shea was my dad (no marty)

 

[S.SAVAGE]

@shea

if you are able to understand that your son shunning you is a product of his environment, where you lacked to raise him 'right', then why cant you understand that people are a product of their environment everywhere else too?

Not sure where you got that I ever said my son shunning me would be a part of his environment.


I never said that.

This is what I said

My son could dishonor me in every which way humanly possible & I still wouldnt kill him. I wouldnt even shun him, I'd embrace him because I must have failed somewhere along the line.

Forgiveness is a part of life.

I think cultures & religions that shun their kids, harm kids, any of that... I think for me, personally are fucking ridiculous.

Not my cup of tea & I wouldnt even attempt @ trying to understand & reason with that type of thought process.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

Not sure where you got that I ever said my son shunning me would be a part of his environment.


I never said that.

This is what I said




I think cultures & religions that shun their kids, harm kids, any of that... I think for me, personally are fucking ridiculous.

Not my cup of tea & I wouldnt even attempt @ trying to understand & reason with that type of thought process.

ok so if he acts out and it is because YOU failed him somewhere along the line, are you not a part of his environment?

I dont know how i lost you there to be honest. It is obviously environmental factors in both situations that are determining how your son would've , or these people are acting.


edit:i just saw your other reply to me , so i am reading it now.

 

[R]

fuck pakis

 

[S.SAVAGE]

ok so if he acts out and it is because YOU failed him somewhere along the line, are you not a part of his environment?

I dont know how i lost you there to be honest. It is obviously environmental factors in both situations that are determining how your son would've , or these people are acting.


edit:i just saw your other reply to me , so i am reading it now.

Are you saying it is okay, because of their culture, that they harm their children?

I do not see that logic.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

I do think it is weird to kill your own child, regardless of culture. ( & via an acid bath... that is cruel & unusual punishment )

You are right man, I am far from racist... yes I am a bit prejudice at times, but not racial in any way. I just cant say it is okay to harm your own children, no matter where in the world you were raised.

I know the Amish ( for instance ) shun their children who leave the Amish community. I dont agree with that, either. Yes, it is a different culture in there as well, but it is still in America. I know it is not impossible, but I do not hear of them killing their kids for leaving. ( this is just an example )


Bottom line is this: The love I have for my child, will always overcome worldly views. If the entire world wanted to kill me, because of honor over something my child did, I would still have his back til i laid dead in my tomb & say 'fuck honor, this is my blood'... lets get down.

& Brotha, I extend the courtesy to all foreign countries. What I wouldnt extend the courtesy to is someone who i deem, in my morals, wrong.

That is exactly what I deem their views. Killing is wrong in every way unless you are defending you, your family, & those who cannot help themselves.

They boast hundreds of killings each year in the name of honor.

there is NO honor in killing, hurting, maiming children. Much less your own.

I do understand where you are coming from and i am personally against anybody controlling another's life all the way, but I just dont want you to overlook the fact that your worldview is different from theirs.
As appalled as you are at their actions, they are appalled at shit they can't fathom in how you raise your own son.
I am just asking to be a little bit more objective, even if the issue at hand is completely against your morals.
I just dont want to see anybody hold on to a prejudice so tightly that it blinds them from being able to see their own faults so that they can right the wrongs in their own lives, and elevate their receptivity of life as a whole.

in the end when the world is sinking, you being so n so(however you define yourself through your morals and worldview) will have to be put aside if not let go of completely so that you can stand as a part of the whole family of humankind cuz these problems are human problems, not pakistani or islamic problems, and whether we like it or not, we perpetuate these divisive characteristics from how we behave in our own culture and land.

 

[R]

recent news from my area:

paki family killed their daughter in law because they thought she had a jinn demon inside her

seriously.. fucking pakis

link to the story: BBC News - Naila Mumtaz murder: Four family members jailed for life

Naila Mumtaz murder: Four family members jailed for life
Naila Mumtaz Naila Mumtaz was six months pregnant when she was murdered
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A man who murdered his pregnant wife has been jailed for life, along with three other family members.

Mohammed Mumtaz, 25, from Birmingham, had claimed Naila Mumtaz, 21, tried to strangle herself at home in 2009.

Mumtaz, his parents Zia Ul-Haq and Salma Aslam, both 51, and brother-in-law Hammad Hassan, 24, were all found guilty after a trial earlier this year.

Birmingham Crown Court heard Mrs Mumtaz's in-laws thought she was possessed by evil spirits.

The trial heard evidence that Mrs Mumtaz was killed during attempts to render her unconscious as family members attempted to drive out a harmful "djinn" spirit.
Found by paramedics

Mrs Mumtaz, who was pronounced dead in hospital, was six months pregnant and had moved to the UK in 2008 after an arranged marriage in Pakistan.

Her body was found by paramedics in a bedroom at the family home after they were called to the property in the early hours of 8 July 2009.

Sentencing the four members of the family, all of Craythorne Avenue, Handsworth Wood, the judge at Birmingham Crown Court told them they had "betrayed" Mrs Mumtaz.
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She was her parents' only daughter and her death has left a terrible gap in their lives”

Judge Mr Justice Keith

Mumtaz, who had to be helped out of the dock by his father, was jailed for a minimum of 13 years.

His brother-in-law, Hammad Hussan, was also imprisoned for at least 13 years.

Zia Ul-Haq and Salma Aslam were told they would each serve a minimum of 15 years.

Possible motives for the offence raised during the trial were that the defendants believed Naila's unborn child was not her husband's - or that she was possessed by a jinn sent from Pakistan.

The judge, Mr Justice Keith, said it was unlikely the defendants believed Naila was pregnant by another man.

He said: "The other possibility explored in the course of the trial about why Naila was smothered was that the defendants believed that Naila had been possessed by a djinn, which had been sent from Pakistan by Naila's parents, and that they ... smothered her in order to get rid of the djinn.
Mohammed Mumtaz, Zia Ul-Haq, Hammad Hassan and Salma Aslam Mumtaz, Ul-Haq, Hassan and Aslam (clockwise from top left) were all jailed for life

"I regard this as a less unlikely explanation for what happened."

Jurors were told that numerous telephone calls were made to Naila's relatives in Pakistan, the emergency services and other individuals in the hours before she was taken to hospital.

During the calls, it was alleged Ul-Haq claimed that a spirit had been sent from Pakistan, while a female at the house was allegedly heard to say "don't call an ambulance yet - we will cure her ourselves".

In his account to police, Mumtaz maintained that injuries to his wife's body were self-inflicted and claimed that a person was present at the house praying "to get the spirit out of her".

During his sentencing remarks, the judge said: "She was her parents' only daughter and her death has left a terrible gap in their lives.

"What aggravates the case is that Naila was pregnant at the time of her death, isolated from her family in a country unfamiliar to her and spoke little if any English."

Mumtaz, his parents, and Hassan had denied both murder and manslaughter.
'Hopes destroyed'

The judge urged the prison authorities to house Mumtaz, who suffers from a severe disability, in the same cell as his father so he can be properly supported during his imprisonment.
The house the family shared The family shared a house in Handsworth Wood, Birmingham

Mrs Mumtaz's relatives issued a statement through West Midlands Police which read: "Naila was a happy, confident and beautiful young woman.

"She came to Britain to be with her husband; we entrusted our most treasured, beloved only daughter to him and his family.

"Naila was almost six months pregnant with her unborn son when she was killed in her home destroying her hopes, dreams and opportunities for the future.

"We are very grateful for the jury using plain common sense in bringing the perpetrators to justice.

"Naila will always be in our hearts and prayers and we hope her memory will live on by bringing about awareness of the issues surrounding her unfortunate death."

Det Insp Simon Astle said: "This was a tragic and deeply upsetting case, where a young woman had her life so horrifically ended by those she loved and trusted.

"Naila was a pretty, outgoing young woman who was soon to become a mother for the first time.

"It is unthinkable that those who she was closest to would take her life in the belief that she had been possessed by evil spirits.

"Naila should now be enjoying the joys of motherhood and family life but instead her family back in Pakistan continue to mourn her death, still shocked and unbelieving that the family she entered into caused her death."

 

[R]

recent news from my area:

paki family killed their daughter in law because they thought she had a jinn demon inside her

seriously.. fucking pakis

link to the story: BBC News - Naila Mumtaz murder: Four family members jailed for life

this shit happened literally a 1 minute 32 second walk from my house

 

[SeriouslyThug]

Are you saying it is okay, because of their culture, that they harm their children?

I do not see that logic.

I didnt say it was okay. What I am saying is your stance should be a little bit more objective where rather than going about this issue as "pakistani people are brutally weird" you could see that you are probably brutally weird too, and if we hold on to our stances, then we might as well just nuke ourselves to save a shred of dignity of ourselves.

 

[R]

I didnt say it was okay. What I am saying is your stance should be a little bit more objective where rather than going about this issue as "pakistani people are brutally weird" you could see that you are probably brutally weird too, and if we hold on to our stances, then we might as well just nuke ourselves to save a shred of dignity of ourselves.

to be honest i agree with shea savage

and this is coming from a brown skin man before anyone decides to pull the race card

 

[Mike Manson]

Fuck islam. Backwards dipshits.

Islam has nothing to do with this. Otherwise they wouldn't have killed her.

 

[S.SAVAGE]

I didnt say it was okay. What I am saying is your stance should be a little bit more objective where rather than going about this issue as "pakistani people are brutally weird" you could see that you are probably brutally weird too, and if we hold on to our stances, then we might as well just nuke ourselves to save a shred of dignity of ourselves.

I dont believe in nukes, I do not agree with war. I do not agree with killing or harming children & I am not going to bow down to say "oh since it is their culture I should be more sensitive to them killing their daughter"

As well, there is no brutal weirdness about how I raise my son no matter which corner of the world you come from.

I raise my son with unconditional love.

 

[S.SAVAGE]

@SeriouslyThug ....I do understand having sympathy for other cultures & religions. I do not judge others for making their women cover up, for prayer rituals, whatever their religion entails, I am very understanding of these things. But I think you see where I am coming from that violence to your own is not an option, no matter who raised you or where u were raised.

Again; Unconditional Love.

it is what is expected of us from our children & it is what I respect. anything that strays from that is not okay with me.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

I dont believe in nukes, I do not agree with war. I do not agree with killing or harming children & I am not going to bow down to say "oh since it is their culture I should be more sensitive to them killing their daughter"

As well, there is no brutal weirdness about how I raise my son no matter which corner of the world you come from.

I raise my son with unconditional love.

no bro, it is absolutely not okay for anybody to kill ANYBODY. But if we want this brutal ignorance to stop, we have to come to an objective point of understanding as to why things like this take place in the first place.
one can say culture, or islam, but why did these ideologies take shape in the first place?

we have to go to the root core of the problems we face, and the things we are against if we want to do anything about them.

There is never a need to perpetuate a 'we vs them' ideology because the root idea which gives rise to this worldview is a great cause of our wars and corruption.

we need to get closer to seeing ourselves as not 'in the' universe but 'the universe' as shroomed out of an idea as this might seem.

I am extremely pleased to see you say you are raising your son with unconditional love because i believe peace on earth will have to start in our children.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

@SeriouslyThug ....I do understand having sympathy for other cultures & religions. I do not judge others for making their women cover up, for prayer rituals, whatever their religion entails, I am very understanding of these things. But I think you see where I am coming from that violence to your own is not an option, no matter who raised you or where u were raised.

Again; Unconditional Love.

it is what is expected of us from our children & it is what I respect. anything that strays from that is not okay with me.

I agree, it is absolutely not okay to kill one's child.
And it is absolutely not okay to breed one's child to be a murderer, or a dictator, or a straight up hater even.

 

[S.SAVAGE]

@SeriouslyThug ....then I do not see why we are debating.

It sounds like we are on the same side of the table here & can both see that what they did was wrong.

 

[S.SAVAGE]

& Maybe I should remove my blanket statement.... I know some Pakistani people. I work with a lot of people from Pakistan, Iran, India, Turkey, ect, ect in the industry I am in. I do not think they are 'brutally weird'

My words were misplaced.

Though I do think the laws of the land their are very much against what I believe in & stand for thus my statement of brutally weird.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

^ yes, I only replied in order to add a new mode of thought to this issue.
"fuck islam" and "fuck paki people" are very ignorant statements that places those who said them on the polar opposite end of this issue, creating only more hatred and divisiveness when the world can use no more.

 

[S.SAVAGE]

^ yes, I only replied in order to add a new mode of thought to this issue.
"fuck islam" and "fuck paki people" are very ignorant statements that places those who said them on the polar opposite end of this issue, creating only more hatred and divisiveness when the world can use no more.

I could not ever say 'fuck Islam' ...it made one of my good friends B @BIG REESE LOC1 into a better man & for that I am grateful.

 

[SeriouslyThug]

^I agree and believe that this way of gaining a mutual respect and understanding is the way to start going about ending the ignorance and brutality among us.