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CZAR

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1 pound didn't drain Cotto. Do you know what drained is?

This is drained:


This was Cotto 145 pounds:


This was Cotto 146 pounds:







yeah pretty much everyone pacquiao has fought.



The weight wouldn't matter at all if pac fought cotto at 154 because of the styles and the fact cotto is a small JMW himself. Like I said the problem if pac fights cotto at 154 then he'd have to fight floyd at 154 and then that's when size does become a problem because floyd is already bigger than him plus his style is going to be very difficult for pac as it is. He'd be giving up too much. They need to fight at 147.
I dont know man Cotto didnt look like himself against Manny. Im sure that Margarito thing had sumthin to do with it also. That was also another advantage for Manny. Cotto was at the time physically damaged due to finding out about Marg. I just think this time around at 154 and with Cotto in a better state that the fight would be much better. Its not gonna happen so why continue with it. Got Em!!
 

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cotto looked like the same old cotto and was doing very well till he was knocked down a couple times then he went on his bike
Naw man he wasnt the same. Of course he looked good, he is a good fighter. Many thought he was drained and mentally wrecked at that time. U can disagree but I think otherwise. Thats why I want a fight at 154 now that he avenged that Margarito loss which I think was a huge monkey off his back and mind. Anyway no sense goin on and on. Fighters go up and down and its part of the sport but its frustrating when a certain fighter always wants catchweights or advantages. Got Em!!

czar got owned like jerry sandusky
Huh??? Owned how? Because 206 says Cotto was fine and I say he wasnt? U reaching dog. Got Em!!
 
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u only have a problem if its manny doing a catchweight. u say cotto got the monkey off his back but u do realize that was a catchweight fight right? 153. that single pound drain margarito? plus cotto wanted that fight at 150. double standards.

anyways, ill take a younger cotto at welterweight versus an older cotto at 154 that got brutalized by Pac any day. lots of wear and tear on cotto. its no guarantee he gets passed Trout.
 
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u only have a problem if its manny doing a catchweight. u say cotto got the monkey off his back but u do realize that was a catchweight fight right? 153. that single pound drain margarito? plus cotto wanted that fight at 150. double standards.

anyways, ill take a younger cotto at welterweight versus an older cotto at 154 that got brutalized by Pac any day. lots of wear and tear on cotto. its no guarantee he gets passed Trout.
No as I have said fighters go up and down all the time but when one fighter does catchweights a lot then it becomes a problem. Margarito is a cheater and he gets no love. Cotto proved his punches werent the same without the plaster. he took some of the same shots and kept coming whereas last fight those same punches stung more. Remember it wasnt just about the catchweight with Cotto he just realized Marg most likely cheated against him and that couldve caused serious damage and that was in his head I feel until he actually defeated Marg. Its all good man fighters will do what they do and can get away with and us as fans have no say. All we can do is watch and enjoy and voice our opinions. Got Em!!
 
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RIP

Corrie Sanders shot and killed

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Corrie had an emergency operation, but doctors couldn't save him. Trainer Harold Volbrecht has also confirmed the dreadful news.

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Ex-manager Vernon Smith just chatted to Corrie's ex-wife, who says gang stormed restaurant where Corrie was attending a party.

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Corrie was just 47. His 2003 KO of Wladimir Klitschko ranks as one of the greatest upsets in heavyweight boxing history. RIP "Sniper".

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@SportswaveAndre Shot in an armed robbery near Brits. Fought hard, but died in hospital.

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Dreadful to hear about death of Corrie Sanders, ex WBO heavyweight champion. Supreme talent taken too early. Rest easy, big man.

 
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ehh, I don't take much of what common fighters say of who will win. Not saying floyd doesn't beat pac, but marquez saying floyd would win means nothing. Didn't Duran who fought Hearns & Hagler say Hearns would beat Hagler? Didn't work out that way.
Again what was your point bring up Marquez saying Manny hits harder then Mayweather?? But you want defeat Manny by bring up legends again when I tell u Marquez said that Mayweather would beat Manny. Manny could barely hit Bradley clean but you want us to beleive he's going to somehow land a hard punch on the best defensive fighter in boxing Mayweather. Just stop it..
 
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cotto looked like the same old cotto and was doing very well till he was knocked down a couple times then he went on his bike
Answer a few questions for me:

1) Why does Manny refuse to fight Cotto without a catch weight??

2) Is it because Manny doesn't want to fight a Cotto healthy and want an clear advantage over Cotto before they step in the ring?

FYI, Cotto asked for a catch weight against Margarito because he knew Margarito had trouble making weight and Cotto wanted an advantage, because Cotto felt like Margarito had an advantage in the first fight with the illegal hand wraps.
 
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and lol at bringing up the $40 million as if that was even close to a fair deal. floyd gets $100+ million, yeah that's a legit offer, manny gets $40 million 23% to bob arum 10% to roach etc he would made barely more than he makes fighting cotto or marquez.
Mayweather vs ODLH made $120 million. ODLH made $60-70 million and Mayweather made $30-35 million.

Let us say that Mayweather vs Manny makes $140 million. If Manny makes $40 milllion please tell me how Mayweather is going to make $100 million??

The undercard fighters have to be paid, you know Mayweather PPV's have great undercards with big name fighters, HBO has to get paid, Goldenboy's flat fee has to be paid. U already know $10 miilion off the top for renting out the MGM..

Mayweather would take home about $70-80 million.


I will ask this question again when has Manny ever made 50% of the money in any one of his own in-house fights? If Manny vs Marquez sold 1.3 million( bullshit number by the way) Then the fight made $75 million in revenue and Manny made $25 million right. 25/75 = 34% of your own in-house event, but you want a 50% split to fight Mayweather?? lol

This is just basic math how can a guy demand 50% of the revenue when he has never made 50% of the revenue in his own fights??
 
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Adrien Broner would get destroyed by Ricky Burns after the Scotsman annihilated Kevin Mitchell
September 24th, 2012 | Post Comment

Burns Mitchell Burns vs. Mitchell ricky burns kevin mitchell boxing adrien broner By Marcus Stewart: Ricky Burns proved last Saturday night exactly why he’s a world champion after he completely destroyed the tough Englishman Kevin Mitchell by a 4th round stoppage. A fight between him and Demarco could be very interesting now, due to the fact that Demarco won his last fight in the space of a minute whereby he landed a straight right hand to his opponent’s chin which ultimately ended the bout.

Ricky Burns Vs Antonio Demarco is one to hype up, but Adrien Broner? To even put him into this category of elite lightweights is a complete joke.

Adrien Broner is seen by some as the next best thing and many have compared him to Floyd Mayweather Jnr. I don’t understand the hype, considering the fact that he hasn’t fought anyone that’s of a high calibre and his record has generally been massaged so that he’s seen as some sort of force, when he’s not. Ricky Burns is a technically gifted boxer with great power and many would agree with me in saying that he would completely school the overrated Broner if they were to square off in the ring.

In my eyes Brandon Rios and Adrien Broner would have no chance against Burns. Brandon Rios because he’s ridiculously one dimensional and easy to hit. Adrien Broner because he has a lack of movement and if you have the courage to try to hit him most times the punches will land because he’s a more easy target than people think. These two Americans have been described as the future of boxing; however I believe that they are anything but that.

Ricky Burns is, at this moment in time, the best lightweight in the world. A fight with Demarco would make sense as it’s between two hard punching fighters, but a fight with Broner makes no sense whatsoever as it would be one of the most one sided fights this year and I wouldn’t be surprised if Burns was to take Broner out either.
 
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Andre Ward says he could move up to 175 soon
September 23rd, 2012 | Post Comment

andre ward By Dan Ambrose: WBA/WBC super middleweight champion Andre Ward revealed that he’s considering a move up to light heavyweight real soon. He feels that it’s tough for him to get big fights at super middleweight now, and will be speaking to his team about a move up in weight to 175.

Ward told Jim Lampley on his HBO Fight Game show last Saturday night “I don’t think so [getting a fight with Sergio Martinez] for the moment due to the weight difference and size difference. All the talk from the Martinez camp is that Ward has to come down to 160. I think they mentioned 164. But I’m not sure how much longer I’m going to be at super middleweight. For me to get down to 160 or 164, I wouldn’t be any good at it. It wouldn’t be good for my career.
So at the moment I don’t realistically think that fight [against Sergio Martinez] is going to be made. I think I would be very strong at the weight [175]. I’m not even the biggest super middleweight, so I know the fighters at light heavyweight would be even bigger. But I know the ideal situation is to go to 175 and not come back down. There’s not a lot of options at 168. So in the coming weeks my team and I need to put our heads together and get creative in terms of what’s going to be next.”

Ward is right. He honestly doesn’t have a lot of options at 168 anymore. He already beat Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler and Arthur Abraham by lopsided decisions. Those guys aren’t about to fight Ward again and take a second helping. Lucian Bute was already exposed by Froch, and will probably get beat again when they fight again in early 2013. Kelly Pavlik’s promoter Bob Arum likely won’t let him fight Ward, because the chances are too high that Pavlik would get embarrassed. The other options – Thomas Oosthuizen, Anthony Dirrell, Andre Dirrell, Adonis Stevenson, Don George and Edwin Rodriguez – aren’t appealing fights. Just trying to get one of them to fight Ward would likely take ages and not be worth much in terms of attracting fan interest.

Most of the top super middleweights will soon be at light heavyweight anyway, so Ward would simply be getting there a little than them. But at 175, Ward could dominate for a long time because the talent pool is so-so.

Ideally, it would be nice if Ward could get a fight against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., but he’s facing a long suspension now due to his positive marijuana test and besides that, he’s got a rematch coming up with Martinez once he does get off his suspension. A second loss to Martinez will put Chavez Jr. into the rebuilding stage and he’s not going to fight Ward after that.
 
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Robert Guerrero the mandatory challenger for Mayweather Jr
Published September 24, 2012 | By eastside | 14 Comments

September 24, 2012 – Golden Boy Promotions, multiple division world champion, Robert “The Ghost” Guerrero, has been invited by World Boxing Council (WBC) President Jose Sulaiman and his son Mauricio, to fly out to Mexico City and receive his WBC Championship belt.

Last month, Guerrero earned the WBC interim welterweight title when he moved up two weight classes and defeated former undefeated No. 1 contender Selcuk Aydin (23-1, 17 KOs), making him the mandatory challenger to face pound for pound king, Floyd Mayweather Jr.

“It’s a great honor to be present in Mexico City with the Sulaiman family and receive my hard earned WBC Championship belt,” said Guerrero. “I’ve always envisioned myself becoming the WBC champion and I plan to represent the WBC and Golden Boy Promotions with pride.”

The Ghost will meet with the Sulaiman’s tomorrow Tuesday, September 25, 2012 in Mexico City to officially receive his belt.
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Mayweather on ropes
Pacquiao calls bluff as fans await clash
By Ron Borges / Boxing Notes

It is not easy to nail Floyd Mayweather Jr. flush, but this week Manny Pacquiao did it.

While in the midst of a nationwide tour to publicize his Dec. 8 fourth fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, Pacquiao couldn’t escape the only topic of importance to most fight fans, which is a career-defining match with Mayweather. Although that fight has been rotting on the vine for more than two years, Pacquiao finally found the kind of opening that could decide the day when he first told a radio interviewer and then repeated during several ESPN appearances that he would not only agree to whatever kind of random drug tests Mayweather wants, but also to a purse split that would give Mayweather 55 percent of what is expected to be the largest grossing fight in boxing history.

Money and Mayweather’s insistence that all his opponents agree to random blood testing for performance-enhancing drugs right up to the night of any fight with him had long been stumbling blocks to making the sport’s most anticipated event, but Pacquiao finally blew them out of the water this week, leaving the still silent Mayweather on the ropes in a debate he had, up until then, been winning.

“I’m waiting for that fight to happen,” Pacquiao said during one ESPN interview. “I don’t know what’s the reason why that fight has not happened. . . . It’s OK for me if he gets a higher percentage than me. I told him I agree with 55 and 45 (split).”

According to Pacquiao, Mayweather offered him a flat $40 million with no share of the pay-per-view upside, a condition Mayweather well understood no one would accept for a fight that could easily do 2 million buys or more at $59.95 or more on PPV, a gross of $120 million and likely far higher. That’s before site fees, international TV, the gate and sponsorships are added to the pot.

Obviously 45 percent of that, assuming the fight does as predicted, would be considerably more than the $40 flat fee Mayweather offered during an ear-to-ear phone faceoff with Pacquiao. But Pacquiao’s public concession of the lion’s share of the fight’s income to Mayweather takes off the table one of the negotiation’s sticking points.

Pacquiao then became the first fighter in years to land a combination on Mayweather when he backed that up by saying he would also agree to random testing, even up to the night of the fight. Pacquiao had at first refused that, then said he would agree to whatever the Nevada State Athletic Commission ordered (knowing he had no other choice if the fight was in Las Vegas and that NSAC standards are well below what Mayweather has insisted upon). Last week Pacquiao went further, saying he would now do whatever Mayweather asked in that area to make the fight happen.

“No problem,” Pacquiao said. “Whatever he wants to do. No problem.”

That is the first time anyone has actually heard Pacquiao say publicly he would agree to random blood testing up to the night of the fight and it accomplished two things. It took the legs out of Mayweather’s insistence Pacquiao had not agree to such a request, and it left him and his advisors reeling because if Pacquiao later refuses, it would confirm to many Mayweather’s fears that the eight-time champion’s success has been somehow chemically fueled, so it’s unlikely he would try to backpedal later.

Backpedaling is not Pacquiao’s style, which may be the real reason behind Mayweather’s continued dodging of the fight. Since serving his jail sentence for domestic battery, Mayweather has been keeping a low profile, at least in terms of boxing. No one expects him to fight before next spring, and with a Dec. 8 fight against Marquez which figures to be difficult, it’s equally unlikely Pacquiao would return again before May or June.

If Mayweather accepts another opponent in April you see the problem — nearly another year runs out without them squaring off and more and more sports fans look askance at the entire thing.

There is a time for a deal — and a fight — to be made. If that time drags on too long the deal itself begins to rot and fan interest wanes, which is already becoming the case. Although TV networks would battle over the fight, even they agree that as the two fighters continue to age, interest in it decreases because fights are not like wine. They do not always improve by aging.

Chin music

Amir Khan has apparently decided five-time Trainer of the Year Freddie Roach should have ordered him a chin transplant prior to getting knocked cold by Danny Garcia in his last outing in July, because he fired Roach last week, claiming Roach was too focused on other fighters.

Although publicly both have been nothing but professional about the split, word on the street is Khan wanted Roach to dump Pacquiao and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. and make him his focus. Khan had tired of traveling the world to work with Roach in Pacquiao training camps.

“He has a right to expect his trainer is focused on him,” a business associate of Khan’s insisted.

Not if you understand business he doesn’t. Both Pacquiao and Chavez were bigger draws and paid Roach better. Roach resurrected Khan, who was a broken fighter after Breidis Prescott knocked him cold.

Roach has long privately acknowledged Khan’s chin challenges, once telling a friend, “How do we train a chin? We don’t we train the fighter not to get hit on the chin.” When asked what might happen on the night that strategy didn’t work he smiled and said, “Go to the smelling salts.”

In other words, there is only so much a trainer can do. Roach helped Khan become a two-time world champion, but he is now on a two-fight losing streak.

Many saw that loss as “stunning,” but if you knew anything about Khan’s chin it was not. That loss had nothing to do with the location of training camp and everything to do with the location of Garcia’s punches on Khan’s chin.

“I’ve been fired before,” Roach said after he and Khan spoke by phone before the Chavez-Sergio Martinez weigh-in. “No problem. He told me, ‘I know you’re busy with your other fighters and I’m going to go in a different direction.’ No hard feelings. I wish him luck.”

Khan is reportedly leaning toward Virgil Hunter, lifelong trainer of Andre Ward, but he has also spoken to other potential replacements, including Pedro Diaz, who handles Miguel Cotto. Maybe one of them is also a chin surgeon? If not, they can’t fix the problem either and, by the way, does Khan think Hunter will put him before Ward or that Diaz will do that to Cotto?

Maybe it isn’t only his chin that’s his problem.
 
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Matthysse-Ajose sold only 377 tickets for September 8th fight

By Eric Thomas:


The September 8th card headlined by Lucas Matthysse (32-2, 30 KO’s) and Olusegun Ajose (30-1, 14 KO’s) reportedly sold only 377 tickets with a $65,657 gate, according to Dan Rafael.

The fight took place at the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino, in Las Vegas, Nevada. Rafael states that Golden Boy Promotions gave away 810 tickets for the fight. That’s not good.

It’s really not all that surprising that this fight card failed in a major way because neither Matthysse nor Ajose are huge names and the undercard was completely lacking in big named fighter.



Here’s the undercard fights:

Ishe Smith vs.Irving Garcia
J’Leon Love vs. Ramon Valenzuela Jr
Daquan Arnett vs. Jesus Tavera
Melinda Cooper vs. Celina Salazar



Golden Boy should have saw this coming when they put this card together because Matthysse, as good as he is, still needs to make a name for himself in the United States and they were asking for trouble by putting him in the main event against an obscure fighter like Ajose instead of someone well known.

There’s not a lot of guys that Golden Boy could have put Matthysse with that would have sold tickets. I doubt that a Matthysse vs. Amir Khan fight would do well in Las Vegas either, because hasn’t proven that he can sell tickets yet in America. Matthysse needed someone like Zab Judah or Brandon Rios to move tickets, and those guys aren’t easy to land a fight with.

The original numbers for the Ajose-Matthysse fight were 2,439 tickets sold with a gate of $209,175, Dan Rafael states.

However, he says that there was a “clerical error’ in the reporting of those numbers. It was then revised with the much lower numbers of 377 tickets sold and a gate of $65,657.

If Golden Boy is going to be putting Matthysse in main events, they’re going to have to at least make sure the undercard fights are ones that will interest boxing fans from around the Las Vegas area if they’re intent on putting his future fights in that city.

The guy is from Argentina and he obviously don’t have a lot of fans in the U.S yet.
 
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Adrien Broner would get destroyed by Ricky Burns after the Scotsman annihilated Kevin Mitchell
September 24th, 2012 | Post Comment

Burns Mitchell Burns vs. Mitchell ricky burns kevin mitchell boxing adrien broner By Marcus Stewart: Ricky Burns proved last Saturday night exactly why he’s a world champion after he completely destroyed the tough Englishman Kevin Mitchell by a 4th round stoppage. A fight between him and Demarco could be very interesting now, due to the fact that Demarco won his last fight in the space of a minute whereby he landed a straight right hand to his opponent’s chin which ultimately ended the bout.

Ricky Burns Vs Antonio Demarco is one to hype up, but Adrien Broner? To even put him into this category of elite lightweights is a complete joke.

Adrien Broner is seen by some as the next best thing and many have compared him to Floyd Mayweather Jnr. I don’t understand the hype, considering the fact that he hasn’t fought anyone that’s of a high calibre and his record has generally been massaged so that he’s seen as some sort of force, when he’s not. Ricky Burns is a technically gifted boxer with great power and many would agree with me in saying that he would completely school the overrated Broner if they were to square off in the ring.

In my eyes Brandon Rios and Adrien Broner would have no chance against Burns. Brandon Rios because he’s ridiculously one dimensional and easy to hit. Adrien Broner because he has a lack of movement and if you have the courage to try to hit him most times the punches will land because he’s a more easy target than people think. These two Americans have been described as the future of boxing; however I believe that they are anything but that.

Ricky Burns is, at this moment in time, the best lightweight in the world. A fight with Demarco would make sense as it’s between two hard punching fighters, but a fight with Broner makes no sense whatsoever as it would be one of the most one sided fights this year and I wouldn’t be surprised if Burns was to take Broner out either.
Are we talking about the same Ricky Burns that ducked Broner at 130lb. lol. Now after Burn beats up a Euro-bum he's a elite fighter now? Pure comedy..
 
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danrafaelespn Dan Rafael
I'm skeptical it comes off, but am told Tim @Tim bradleyjr & G @Ghost BOXING camps are working thu @HBOboxing to make possible 12/15 fight. #boxing

Bradley vs The Ghost if it happens I would believe Mayweather vs Manny can be made.
 
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