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Last note, I'll tell you the fight both Jones and Hopkins will want to stay away from and that is a fight with Chad Dawson... I think Dawson wants Hopkins next, but I don't think Hopkins will be as eager to fight him after the fight with Tarver. But then again, maybe he does think he could teach the young whipper snapper a thing or two. Dawson is the truth yall. How bout Dawson and Pavlik??? I think Dawson could talk Pavlik in to taking that fight for Dawson's belts... He'd pulverize Pavlik...
Hopkins stated that he wants one more fight, in Jan/Feb, and that's it. He said he wants Roy Jones or he's even willing to fight Calzaghe for a rematch in Wales. There's no way he'd fight Dawson because he's not a big enough name for hopkins and there really wouldn't be much point (he's got nothing else to prove). Personally I think he fights Roy Jones whether or not he wins or loses (I can see calzaghe winning a close decision but roy still looking good and not getting hurt).

Dawson would fuck pavlik up. I agree that pavlik doesn't do good guys his own size. I think Pavlik should fight Abraham. That's an interesting match up. And Dawson needs to give Glen Johnson a rematch, imo he lost that fight and owes it to the old man.
 
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^Agreed. No question about it, Dawson lost that fight to Glen. That was a highway robbery !



So here's a quesion, I know theres a thread on it, but this ones bumped anyways:

How is everyone feeling about the De La Hoya-Pacquiao fight ? I'm starting to think that Pacquiao has a much better chance than anyone is giving him.

He's got a size disadvantage for sure.

But he's got a great advantage in that he will be coming into the ring at full strength, being that he doesn't have to cut weight at all. Oscar on the other hand, will probably be drained, and I'm honestly questioning whether or not he can make 47 at all.


Also, I was reading on Boxingscene that Juan Manuel Lopez might be fighting Gary Penalosa on the undercard, or even better...Bernabe Concepcion...who looked really sharp in his last fight and has an unorthodox style that creates a lot of weird angles that he's able to deliver from. Dope fight either way, Penalosa is one of the most underrated defensive fighters out there, IMO.
 

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206... If Pavlik is name enough after two fights with Taylor, then Dawson is plenty name after fighting both Tarver and Johnson (and I believe Johnson got robbed too). Be fair, Pavlik didn't earn a fight with Hopkins, Hopkins instead called Pavlik out wanting to expose the young fighter because in his heart he knew he could beat him. I don't hear a peep out of him about Dawson and you're right, he has nothing else to prove yet he felt he did in fighting Pavlik. You know a good fight would be Hopkins against Glen Johnson (The battle of the old legends). Hopkins has not made one peep about Johnson and he clearly avoided both Johnson and James Toney in his career.

Obviously neither Johnson or Toney at this point would happen. So bring on either Calzaghe again or Jones. I don't think Calzaghe wants that fight again though. He beat him once just barely and it would be too risky to his undefeated record to go it again. Shit Jones might even surprise us and pull it out.
 
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206... If Pavlik is name enough after two fights with Taylor, then Dawson is plenty name after fighting both Tarver and Johnson (and I believe Johnson got robbed too).
Pavlik is a much, much bigger name then Dawson. Pavlik has been on HBO his last 5 fights, his last two being PPV. Dawson has only had a couple fights on Showtime.

Economically speaking, hopkins/dawson wouldn't make any sense from bhops point of view.

Be fair, Pavlik didn't earn a fight with Hopkins
He earned it more so then let's say Taylor. I mean, Pavlik is the undisputed middlweight champ of the world, beat Taylor twice who beat hopkins twice (technically!). You have to remember, Hopkins was coming off a loss. He was no longer a champion. Pavlik was (still is) a champion.

Hopkins instead called Pavlik out wanting to expose the young fighter because in his heart he knew he could beat him.
Of course hopkins saw something in pavlik. He also wanted to prove the world wrong when everyone thought pavlik would win. He gets motivation when he's the underdog (hopkins was a 5-1 underdog against pavlik, similar to when he was a 7-1 underdog against trinidad and a 4-1 underdog against tarver)

i don't hear a peep out of him about Dawson.
Why would he? Up until Dawson beat Tarver (which hopkins/pavlik fight was already signed), Dawson hasn't accomplished anything. His greatest win was in fact a loss to Johnson!

you know a good fight would be Hopkins against Glen Johnson (The battle of the old legends). Hopkins has not made one peep about Johnson and he clearly avoided both Johnson and James Toney in his career.
Correction: Hopkins BEAT THE SHIT out of Johnson when Johnson was undefeated (32-0). It was in fact, one of Hopkins greatest performances and it was the ONLY time Johnson was ever stopped in his career. It was a slaughter, complete domination: here are the last couple rounds (you can find the rest on youtube):

^^^This is vintage hopkins. The offensive minded "Executioner."
“I couldn’t do anything against him,” concedes Glen Johnson. “He did things in the ring that I never saw before. He’s a great champion, and he has only gotten better with age.”

And James Toney was never an option because he got too fat. He fought Roy jones instead (then ate his way up to heavyweight).
 

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My bad on the Johnson fight, don't know how I missed that one. I retract that statement on my own error. You got to do your homework on this muthafucka LOL...

I disagree with you on Pavlik though. Two fights against Taylor equals one fight against a game Johnson and a game Tarver in many boxing fans book (being that both Tarver and Johnson are both better fighters than Pavlik). The fact that Taylor got the nod against Hopkins was more politics than anything. Hopkins did enough in both fights against Taylor, but that's spilled milk. The fact that he fought on HBO means absolutely nothing towards his boxing skills, it means he has better management and possibly is more bankable business wise. Dawson is similar to Winky only in the idea that alot of fighters will duck him, due to his ring skill and then say it's not financially beneficial. More than that, it leaves them at risk of taking a loss and dimming their own bankability. Who wins between Dawson and Pavlik in your opinion? If you say HBO's Pavlik, then you're right there we have a major disagreement.
 
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Why would he? Up until Dawson beat Tarver (which hopkins/pavlik fight was already signed), Dawson hasn't accomplished anything. His greatest win was in fact a loss to Johnson!
I don't know man .. I watched this fight several times and all I keep getting is 115-113 Dawson. There's no way Johnson won enough rounds to win the fight. I'll say this .. Dawson did look the most vulnerable and more susceptible to being stopped but he took way too many rounds off and Dawson kept up a high work rate.

I think a lot of people were influenced by Dawson's shaky legs and Johnson's post fight speech. Johnson has been dicked on decisions before and I could see why he'd feel like that but this wasn't the case.
 
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My bad on the Johnson fight, don't know how I missed that one. I retract that statement on my own error. You got to do your homework on this muthafucka LOL...
Thanks. Yeah I have hopkins career set on DVD and have watched all his fights (except for a few really early ones that were not on TV).

I disagree with you on Pavlik though. Two fights against Taylor equals one fight against a game Johnson and a game Tarver in many boxing fans book (being that both Tarver and Johnson are both better fighters than Pavlik).
I don't know, I guess we'll just have to just disagree. I personally don't think Dawson has done enough for hopkins to even consider him at this stage of hopkins career (will be 44 in Jan!). Yeah, Dawson beat Tarver and Johnson, but so did Hopkins, and hopkins looked better doing it in both of those fights then Dawson.

The reason Hopkins fought Pavlik is because he lost to calzaghe and wanted to prove the naysayers wrong. When hopkins signed that contract with Pavlik, Dawson already signed the deal with Tarver. Dawson has been chasing Tarver for over a year and finally got it. Hopkins vs Dawson was never an option, ever. And it still wont be because hopkins has one fight left - Roy Jones. Or the very slim chance of a Calzaghe rematch (but calzaghe already said no and said he will retire after jones). Hopkins is after one last big payday and Jones is the only man that brings that to the table, not Dawson.

Besides. By the time they can fight, Hopkins will be 44. He doesn't need to fight young guys anymore, especially if they don't bring much $$$ to the table. Hopkins has more then paid his dues; he's fought for 20 years, he's an automatic shoe-in to the hall of fame, he will go down as an all time great and arguably the 2nd best middlweight of all time (behind hagler of course). There really isn't a reason for him to fight dawson.

The fact that Taylor got the nod against Hopkins was more politics than anything. Hopkins did enough in both fights against Taylor, but that's spilled milk.
I agree.

The fact that he fought on HBO means absolutely nothing towards his boxing skills, it means he has better management and possibly is more bankable business wise.
That wasn't my point. My point is Pavlik is the "bigger name," bigger payday, bigger reward.

Who wins between Dawson and Pavlik in your opinion? If you say HBO's Pavlik, then you're right there we have a major disagreement.
No, I got Dawson by UD or maybe even late TKO (especially after Pavlik has now been mentally broken by hops). Like you said earlier, I don't think pavlik will do well against guys his own size.

I'd like to see Dawson eventially fight Tavoris Cloud, who is a great up & comer at light heavyweight (same age as Dawson too, 26). 19-0 with 18 KO's. I think that's a potentially great match up.

@naner12,
I watched the fight 2 or 3 times now and had Johnson winning every time. Johnson, for the most part, was landing the cleaner/harder/more effective shots. Dawson had the early rounds but Johnson was fuckin him up from then on. But i's not that big of a deal to me, my point was more to show that Dawson did NOT look good in that fight and there was no reason for bhop to even consider fighting dawson immediately after.
 
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@naner12,
I watched the fight 2 or 3 times now and had Johnson winning every time. Johnson, for the most part, was landing the cleaner/harder/more effective shots. Dawson had the early rounds but Johnson was fuckin him up from then on. But i's not that big of a deal to me, my point was more to show that Dawson did NOT look good in that fight and there was no reason for bhop to even consider fighting dawson immediately after.
Agree .. Pavlik was definitely a better money fight I just don't think that it was a loss for Dawson. I 100% agree that Johnson landed the cleaner/harder/more effective punches but he didn't do that consistently for every round. At best you can give him 6 rounds .. I just can't find 7 rounds to give to Johnson to justify a win for him.

I agree that there was no reason .. and the Dawson being able to beat Pavlik comparison is unfair at this point and even before. Pavlik fought this at a catch weight of 170lbs, the highest of his career, where Dawson fights at 175lbs.
 
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Ortiz Reportedly Busts Up De La Hoya During Sparring

By Ronnie Nathanielsz

Word is going around that WBO North American Boxing Organization light welterweight champion Victor “Vicious” Ortiz “beat up” Oscar De La Hoya in a sparring session at the secluded Big Bear training camp in California last week even as Filipino ring idol Manny Pacquiao was hammering big Marcus McDaniels in a four round sparring session at the Wild Card Gym of celebrated trainer Freddie Roach.

insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports learned that Pacquiao almost knocked out Ortiz and had him really hurt when they sparred in preparation for one of Pacquiao’s earlier title fights.

However, Pacquiao was also having trouble handling Rashad Holloway, a 5’10” a 27 year old light middleweight with an impressive record of 9-1 with 5 knockoutsr when they sparred for the first time last week with Roach saying he’s the best guy at this point among the roster of sparring partners which includes undefeated Yuri Foreman and Marvin “Much too Much”Cordova and possibly Britain’s Amir Khan.

Top Rank promoter Bob Arum dismissed the report about Ortiz beating up De La Hoya telling insidesports.ph, Standard Today and Viva Sports “I discount any of these reports about one fighter beating up another fighter in training.” Arum noted that Ortiz, a light welterweight with a record of 22-1-1 with 17 knockouts “is good but nothing special.”

On the other hand Arum said he was “very happy ” over Pacquiao’s progress in training and stressed he was standing by his earlier prediction that Pacquiao would win saying “Absolutely. I have no doubt he is going to win.We believe he is going to win by the use of his speed and maneuverability.”

Roach on the other hand is sticking by his statement that De La Hoya can’t pull the trigger, has trouble with smaller fighters, especially southpaws and that Pacquiao will knock him out.
 
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Will Boxing Catch On To The Catch at Catchweights?

By Jake Donovan

Another catchweight match this weekend, another failed result.

When will boxing finally learn that there’s always a catch to catchweight bouts?

New school writers trying to pass themselves off as old-school often turn to “back in the day” for validation of a less than desirable matchup between fighters in separate weight classes.

What they fail to realize is, we’re not back in the day.

Once upon a time, top fighters jumped weight classes for the sake of staying busy, but also took the time to dominate the division in which they served as the man. Middleweights won tune-ups at light heavyweight, but almost always fell short when vying for the top prize. Ditto for light heavyweights dancing with the big boys; hanging with the rest but falling to the best.

Today’s version of catchweight bouts come with a different flavor. They’re no longer designed for the sport’s best to keep busy while awaiting bigger and better things to come. Instead, they’re glorified cash grabs, packaged as high-end pay-per-view cards, with the end result often proving little, if anything at all.

One lesson learned this weekend was one that should’ve long ago been realized: never count out Bernard Hopkins. He reminds us over and over that he’ll retire from the sport and not the other way around. Over and over again, we ignore him, insisting that he’s done, and that no matter what he tries, he doesn’t have enough tricks in the bag to fend off Generation Next.

It’s been mixed results in the past few years, but never to the point where he showed that he no longer belonged at or near the top. The win over Pavlik only puts him at .500 over his past six fights, but plenty will argue that three losses are at least one too many, some even going so far as to claim that his last true loss came 15 years ago against Roy Jones Jr.

That his opponents over that stretch were Jermain Taylor (twice), Antonio Tarver, Winky Wright, Joe Calzaghe and Kelly Pavlik, and we’re still having this conversation only adds to his Hall of Fame credentials, as well as his placement among the sport’s very best of all time.

And that’s before you factor in that all of those fights came after he turned forty.

But what’s key in this discussion is the word “add.” He was already Hall of Fame bound before he turned 40. What got him there was his dominance at middleweight, the division he fully unified in 2001 and for all intent and purposes dominated with an iron first for the better part of his ten years in possession of at least one alphabet title.

That same dominance is sorely lacking in just about every division. The moment a fighter “arrives,” everyone’s in a rush to make mythical matchups come true. It’s not enough that Manny Pacquiao beat Juan Manuel Marquez for his third lineal title earlier this year.

Right away, he moved up to lightweight, but that wasn’t even enough. Rather than stay put for a while, and attempt to help bring clarity to the division, he instead chases the fattest bag with a dollar sign on it, moving up another 12 pounds to take on the sport’s biggest cash cow, Oscar de la Hoya later this year.

Should Manny Pacquiao emerge victorious, he will be the first among those moving up in weight to do so in several high-profile catchweight bouts in recent years, most of which instead serve as reminders that two fighters moving up or down to meet at the same weight doesn’t automatically level the playing field.

De la Hoya’s welcome back party against Stevie Forbes this past May is just one of many examples. The fight was a far greater mismatch on paper and in reality than most others in recent years, playing out exactly as expected, and in the end proved ultimately pointless.

Winky Wright tried and failed against Bernard Hopkins last summer, though not necessarily proving that Hopkins is the better fighter today; sporting a pot belly shaped from Krispy Kreme was hardly indicative of Wright being at his most effective weight, yet he still managed to remain competitive ten pounds beyond his comfort zone.

On paper, Hopkins now owns a win over another future Hall of Famer; in reality, the bout did more harm than good, and was among the least watchable major fights in recent memory.

Roy Jones scored his first notable win in nearly five years when he beat on a pudgy Felix Trinidad at the start of the year. Trinidad came out of retirement and looked like he hadn’t even trained, lacking any upper body definition whatsoever.

Despite the physical mismatch, Jones still settled for a lopsided decision rather than truly pursuing a knockout. He scored two knockdowns, but reached a point where he’d rather have fun than let “RJ” out of his cage, playing to the crowd as he coasted to the finish line.

Both fighters promised better than the take-the-money-and-run business meeting that took place last May, but in the end offered a moderately entertaining, albeit one-sided, event.

One month later came the rematch between Kelly Pavlik and Jermain Taylor. Their first fight was for the middleweight crown, resulting in one of the best fights of 2007 and a dramatic ending that resulted in a changing of the guard atop the division.

The rematch came because it had to. Taylor had a rematch clause in his contract, and opted to exercise it. The only problem was, the contract stated the return go would have to take place at 166 lb, a condition insisted upon by Team Taylor, who at the time believed that 160 was a weight they’d no longer be able to make.

While the rematch proved to be entertaining, missing was the luster of the first fight, or the lack of anything other than bragging rights being at stake. Taylor fought better than was the case five months prior, and Pavlik showed (at the time anyway) that he could win by boxing when his power wouldn’t prevail.

But in the end, it was just another win for Pavlik. All he did was beat a fighter over which he already owned scoreboard, at a weight that would have no bearing on his reign as middleweight king.

Pavlik received such a reminder deep into the boxing lesson he was given by Hopkins last Saturday. Renowned cutman Miguel Diaz told Pavlik in so many words, “You won’t lose your title, you’re just losing the fight.”

So what we’re left with now is a middleweight champion in the prime of his career who didn’t just lose to a faded former champion 17 years his senior, but was utterly embarrassed. Not a dominant middleweight champion head and shoulders above the rest of his division, but one who has defended his title just once, against disgraced mandatory challenger Gary Lockett.

This fight came about because, as reminded over the weekend by Boxingscene.com Editor-In-Chief Rick Reeno, HBO wasn’t particularly interested in any other fight involving Pavlik. A list of three names was given, forcing Team Pavlik to settle on what they thought would be cannon fodder in today’s version of Hopkins.

Next up will most likely be a mandatory defense against Marco Antonio Rubio. Such a fight was already offered to and rejected by HBO, though Rubio strengthened his claim on Saturday after a hard-fought, well-earned split decision on the Hopkins-Pavlik undercard.

But HBO doesn’t own the industry, despite their repeated insistence otherwise.

Promoter Bob Arum went out of his way to introduce Rubio to those on hand at the Pavlik-Lockett post-fight press conference this past June. The intention was to hype up what he thought would be Pavlik’s next fight – “with or without HBO’s blessing.” The outspoken Hall of Fame promoter loves to remind anyone who listens that he has no problems staging his own shows when the networks (in today’s terms, HBO and Showtime) are less than cooperative.

It was in that same breath in which he insisted that should HBO not express interest in the fight, that he’d most likely stage an independent PPV show, somewhere in Pavlik’s home state of Ohio. Not quite Youngstown, but perhaps somewhere in Cleveland.

The only exception, he claimed, would be if a deal could be struck for Pavlik to face Joe Calzaghe. It was then that the agenda behind HBO’s staging Pavlik-Lockett was revealed. Lockett is trained by Enzo Calzaghe, who of course is the father to the former lineal super middleweight king and present top light heavyweight.

When a deal couldn’t be reached, Arum only looked in one direction. It was outside that same office where he claims today’s promoters (or “booking agents” as he refers to everyone not named King or Duva) stand outside with tin cup in tow where he awaited their next handout.

He got it – and so suffered another blue chipper in his stable.

One loss does not a career ruin, but it remains to be seen what 2009 has in store. Certainly, Pavlik can’t go from this fight straight to, say the winner of next month’s Calzaghe-Jones PPV main event. A defense against Rubio was supposed to be a long distance option, in case no other high profile fight could be made, but now pushes its way to the top of the list.

Sure, Pavlik could just as easily dump a title if it meant facing an Arthur Abraham or a Winky Wright, but that’s not going to happen on the heels of a virtual shutout loss, if ever at all.

Who knows what will follow a Rubio defense, assuming anywhere near the same luster follows his career. He could be sitting in that position right now, undefeated record still in tow, along with a lofty ranking among most pound for pound lists and at least one more defense into his middleweight reign while putting more distance between himself and the rest of the division.

Instead, he and his team gave into, reluctantly or otherwise, the allure of corporate funding, refusing to take a pay cut for the sake of getting an easy defense out of the way.

HBO’s offering last weekend was supposed to be an investment into the next big fight involving Kelly Pavlik and a parting gift for long and meritorious service to Bernard Hopkins.

In the end, everyone got blindsided by the catch that regularly comes with today’s version of catchweight bouts
 
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Kelly Pavlik: "That Wasn't Me in There, I Had Nothing"

By Mark Vester

Speaking with BoxingScene.com's Bill Emes, WBC/WBO middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik tried to make sense of what went wrong last Saturday in Atlantic City when he was dominated by Bernard Hopkins over twelve rounds. Pavlik moved up to a catch-weight of 170-pounds. Some felt he looked sluggish when he fought the February rematch with Jermain Taylor at 166, and looked even more sluggish as a light heavyweight.

According to Pavlik, he couldn't do anything in the ring and it had nothing to do with Hopkins. He felt like there was nothing inside. He didn't feel tired or winded, but for some reason he couldn't get off with any punches.

"What pissed me off the most is it wasn't me in there. Every round I was in great shape, I wasn't tired. I wasn't a bit winded. It was just like I had - nothing. I threw a jab, I couldn't double up on it. He moved to the right, I couldn't get off. When we locked up, I tried to go to the body and I just couldn't do it. I couldn't get anything off and we were just holding," Pavlik said.

"And it's not that he's that good. For crying out loud he lost to Jermain Taylor, twice. I beat Jermain Taylor twice, I beat him by decision and I knocked him out. It has nothing to do with his athleticism or his craftiness. Jermain Taylor hit him at will. Calzaghe hit him at will. It's just that I didn't have anything. That's not my excuse. I'm not making an excuse. I got beat. I got my butt whipped. It was just a bad night, an off night."

When asked if he was ever hurt during the contest, Pavlik told BoxingScene that Hopkins had rattled him twice during the grueling bout.

"I'm not going to lie to you. Twice I was hurt. A couple of times he hit me and the way I was standing, my head moved back and it looked like I was hurt and the crowd got into it, but I wasn't hurt," Pavlik said.

As far as moving up by ten-pounds above his fighting weight, Pavlik is not sure if the weight came into play. He says that his body felt fine with added pounds, but didn't fully rule it out as a possible cause for his performance.

"I felt comfortable [at the weight]. If it did [cause my problems], I don't know of the situation. I'm not going to make an excuse right now because in the locker room, for the last couple of days, I felt great at that weight so I don't know if that was an issue or not. We are just going to go back to the drawing board," Pavlik said.
 
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Calzaghe Sounds Off on Roy Jones, Hopkins, Pavlik

By Mark Vester

If you thought Joe Calzaghe was done with his verbal venom, he was just getting warmed up. Bernard Hopkins' dominating win over Kelly Pavlik, which took place last Saturday, has lit a fight under Calzaghe and he's spewing plenty of verbals jabs at everyone in sight. For months, he took a lot of heat from fans and the boxing media. They said he beat an old, washed up version of Hopkins back in April. They said he was ducking the challenge of Pavlik. According to Calzaghe, Hopkins' win vindicates him fully, and the only thing on his mind is to kick the ass of Roy Jones Jr. on November 8 at New York's Madison Square Garden.

"I'm just concentrating on kicking ass. Roy Jones is going to get it big time," Calzaghe would tell PA Sport.

Calzaghe says Hopkins is trying to land a rematch in order to make big bucks in the UK, but it won't happen. He says their first fight was ugly to watch and the rematch would be worse - plus he claims to have been at his worst when beating Hopkins. He says the 43-year old veteran would not stand a chance on British soil.

"He is thinking of the money," said Calzaghe. "At the end of the day, I didn't fight my best and he lost and I did that in Las Vegas. What chance has he got over here? He That fight is not getting me excited. I won the first fight and it wasn't a great fight to watch."

"Sometimes styles make fights and there are styles that gel. Our styles did not gel and I don't think a second fight would be more exciting. It would probably be more boring. I've beaten him and I wouldn't want to go over old ground."

You didn't think Pavlik was going to get off the hook. Calzaghe took a few more swipes at the WBC/WBO middleweight champion.

"I didn't feel pressure (to fight Pavlik)," Calzaghe said. "Regardless of what happened, he is limited. It was nice to be proved right. It wasn't just a beating (against Hopkins), it was a 12-round humiliation."

"Pavlik was the so-called baddest guy in America and he (Hopkins) made him look like a little boy. "Pavlik is just a one-dimensional robot who couldn't even throw a double jab
 
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Bernard Hopkins: “Roy Jones Jr. Will Be My Final Fight”

By Mark Vester

Speaking with BoxingScene.com’s Jose “OnFire” Aguirre, Bernard Hopkins, at age 43, says that he is finally starting to get tired of fighting. The only thing that can motivate him to fight again is facing the winner of Roy Jones Jr. vs. Joe Calzaghe, scheduled for November 8.

The future of another Hopkins fight is riding on the shoulders of Jones. Calzaghe, who won a close decision over Hopkins in April, has no interest in a rematch with Bernard and he doesn’t plan on fighting beyond the Jones encounter. If Calzaghe beats Jones, last weekend’s astonishing win over Kelly Pavlik may become the final ring performance by Hopkins. It also depends on how Calzaghe wins. If Joe wins a close decision and Jones puts on a good performance, a rematch with Hopkins may still be possible.

“I'm really getting tired of proving myself and I've used that for the fire for many years. That means it's like one foot out and one foot in, and the only thing that can motivate me is the winner between Joe and Roy. It's the only thing I see to where people will spend their money on and to get interested in,” Hopkins said. “On that, I'll be motivated but after that, there is nothing else - win, lose or draw.”

“There is nothing else that can motivate Bernard Hopkins. I want to show that I can beat Joe Calzaghe and that I can beat Roy Jones Jr. If I can get that opportunity, then I can ride off into the sunset because there will be nothing else to prove. And I know that I'll probably be the underdog in those fights.”

Hopkins would tell BoxingScene that in preparation for the fight with Pavlik, he studied Marvin Hagler's three-round war with Thomas Hearns. He studied Hagler’s technique of taking away the long reach of Hearns and used the same tactic against Pavlik.

"I knew I had a little bit more speed than him. Not by being in the ring, but by watching tapes. I said 'wow, this guy got long arms'. I watched the Tommy Hearns vs. Marvin Hagler tape. When I saw Hagler was on the outside in the first round, he got caught with a right hand that split him [on the head], but when he got inside - he took away the long reach and that's what I did with Kelly Pavlik,” Hopkins said.

“He got such long arms. Jermain Taylor stayed outside. Edison Miranda stayed outside. But, if you go halfway to his elbow, not enough to smother my punches, but enough to where I take away his reach - then he has to pull his arms back so far to either protect himself or get a shot in with me. He's too lanky, he's too slim and he's too long to be mobile like that. So once I got my foot and went in and then went out, without wasting energy - that just rattled him.

“And I stayed away from his strong hand. I went away from his right. I went my left, which is his right, so when he threw the punch he had to reach across his body and then I could counter him.”
 
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Calzaghe: "Pavlik Was Exposed, Overrated, Overhyped"

"I said all along Kelly Pavlik was overrated, overhyped and hadn't done anything in his career to a warrant a fight with me. This was evident Saturday night when Hopkins destroyed and exposed him for what he is. That is why I wasn't going to waste my time fighting him and went straight to a bout with Roy Jones who has proved himself time and time again that he is one of the greatest fighters in our era. I have been a champion for 11 years and I am only interested in fighting legends.

"They told me that the place was packed with Pavlik fans who either sat stunned or actually started cheering for Hopkins. My fans will have a great night at Madison Square Garden in New York as I will give them no reason to cheer for Roy Jones. I am sure it was a long trip back for all those people from Ohio. I tell my fans, don't worry, we will be partying on the plane ride home.

"Look at the landscape—I have beat everyman I have ever faced including younger fighters, stronger fighters and of course Bernard Hopkins. After fighting Hopkins, my biggest wish was to fight Roy Jones Jr. who also has a win over Hopkins. Hopkins showed Saturday night he is an amazing fighter but Roy and I both beat him. That says more than enough and come November 8, Roy and I have a chance to settle the score with the winner taking all the glory.

"My boxing career and record speaks for itself. November 8 will be the biggest fight of my career as I am fighting one of the best, at the best place to fight, Madison Square Garden. Believe me, it can't get here fast enough
 
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Calzaghe: "Screw Hopkins, There Won't Be a Rematch"

By Mark Vester

Joe Calzaghe says that he will not fight Bernard Hopkins in a rematch. The undefeated Welsh fight continued to call his November 8 bout with Roy Jones Jr, the final fight of his career. He doesn't plan on fighting beyond the November date. Calzaghe is pleased that Hopkins dominated Kelly Pavlik last Saturday in Atlantic City, because when many reporters called Hopkins a shot fighter when Calzaghe won a close decision over him in April.

"Jones Jr will the last fight for me, definitely - that's it, me done. Screw Hopkins, I'm not fighting again for any amount of money, I've been doing this for too long. Hopkins beating Pavlik in the style he did actually gives my victory over Hopkins more credibility. When I beat Hopkins, people say he was just a washed up old man, a shadow of the fighter of years gone by," Calzaghe told BBC Sport. "But he has just annihilated the so-called next big thing in boxing in a fight he called the fight of his life."

For several months, there were many who were calling for Calzaghe to fight Pavlik, but not that Hopkins beat him, Calzaghe sees no reason for such a fight.

"Hopkins beating Pavlik is great for me because people will stop banging on about me fighting Pavlik. I always thought Pavlik was one dimensional, a very good fighter but not a great. So I can retire with a clear conscience knowing that I've beaten everyone who's worth beating," Calzaghe said.

"I heard heard Hopkins wanted a rematch with me, but I don't do rematches. I've got nothing to prove to anyone. I've proved everything that I needed to prove when I beat Hopkins in Vegas earlier in the year. I'm hungry for Roy Jones Jr but after that my motivation for boxing will be over, because when I knock him out I'll have beaten the only legend I haven't take care of."
 
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yeah he is. And it's funny he says Pavlik didn't deserve a shot at him cuz the truth of the matter is calzaghe offered pavlik a fight when pavlik was just a young up & comer waaaaaaay before he was champion. lol, so calzaghe was willing to fight some no named kid in pavlik, but once he became champion he didn't deserve a shot? lol, ok

And I think hopkins should get teh winner of calzaghe/jones. Hopefully that's jones!
 
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Kelly Pavlik: "That Wasn't Me in There, I Had Nothing"
There is a trend:

"For me not to even fight and perform, it is beyond me. So I am thinking it was like my spirit was taken from me. But I was not myself. I cannot blame it on my trainer because we trained properly. We were ready. For me not to fight and get hit with straight right hands all night (is mystifying). My reflexes were not there, my counter punching ability was not there. Something went terribly wrong." - Antonio Tarver after losing to Hopkins

Here is another guy that got schooled by hopkins:

I couldn’t do anything against him. He did things in the ring that I never saw before. He’s a great champion, and he has only gotten better with age.” - Glen Johnson on his loss to Hopkins

fast forward to pavlik:

"What pissed me off the most is it wasn't me in there. Every round I was in great shape, I wasn't tired. I wasn't a bit winded. It was just like I had - nothing. I threw a jab, I couldn't double up on it. He moved to the right, I couldn't get off. When we locked up, I tried to go to the body and I just couldn't do it. I couldn't get anything off and we were just holding.

"And it's not that he's that good. For crying out loud he lost to Jermain Taylor, twice. I beat Jermain Taylor twice, I beat him by decision and I knocked him out. It has nothing to do with his athleticism or his craftiness. Jermain Taylor hit him at will. Calzaghe hit him at will. It's just that I didn't have anything. That's not my excuse. I'm not making an excuse. I got beat. I got my butt whipped. It was just a bad night, an off night."

"I felt comfortable [at the weight]. If it did [cause my problems], I don't know of the situation. I'm not going to make an excuse right now because in the locker room, for the last couple of days, I felt great at that weight so I don't know if that was an issue or not. We are just going to go back to the drawing board" - Pavlik after losing to Hopkins





I think it's clear that it has EVERYTHING to do with "his athleticism and his craftiness!" I think hopkins is just that good at taking away his opponents best weapon and for some guys, like Pavlik and Tarver, once that's taken away they have NOTHING. Thoughts?