do ya'll believe in illuminati???
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Why? For one, the context of these quotes is different in nearly every situation. When George Bush Sr talks about a "new world order", what he is referring to is an international regulatory governance system that will allow world nations to cooperate, police themselves through international law, etc.
And what people fear has changed names and faces but the concept is the same. Our constitution was largely written by white-supremacist, slave owned, Jew fearing people. That Washington would see some sort of Jacobinian conspiracy in anything is no surprise to me.
And you can already see how Washington is controlled by interests and groups that are obviously not of the American people. It's called Lobbying. There is a military-industrial and agricultural complex that controls Washington legislation, but they dont drink blood and sacrifice virgins. They put on 3-piece suits and sip coffee in DC cafes.
And when Churchill, the war criminal and racist, calls the French revolution (a good thing), and the spread of communism a Cobra Commander/Serpentor-led conspiracy, why is it noteworthy? Isnt this the same guy that was part of the invasion of the Societ Union in 1917 and proposed sterilized the developmentally disabled?
Woodrow Wilson's quote is also true, and it has nothing to do with Arachnid-headed shapeshifters or global Jew assassins, you can see it in the workings of modern government.
The vast majority of these quotes refer to the influence of money and capital in government, and that can be seen without Annie Oakley spy glasses or breaking into the secret Alex Jones Grove or whatever the fuck. You know, the same shit that President Nixon called "the gayest thing I have ever done".
And of all those quotes, only Weishaupt's and Washington's actually mentions the Illuminati. The rest refer to power grabs by lobbyists, business interests, and private equity. Only by a faith-based approach could you take these quotes as meaning that secret Jew hitmen and Draco lizards run the world government.
Also...
lol @ most of the "Illuminati" theory believers backing up quotes about neafarious commies and commie conspiracies when most would describe themselves as Leftists/Socialists.
And what people fear has changed names and faces but the concept is the same. Our constitution was largely written by white-supremacist, slave owned, Jew fearing people. That Washington would see some sort of Jacobinian conspiracy in anything is no surprise to me.
And you can already see how Washington is controlled by interests and groups that are obviously not of the American people. It's called Lobbying. There is a military-industrial and agricultural complex that controls Washington legislation, but they dont drink blood and sacrifice virgins. They put on 3-piece suits and sip coffee in DC cafes.
And when Churchill, the war criminal and racist, calls the French revolution (a good thing), and the spread of communism a Cobra Commander/Serpentor-led conspiracy, why is it noteworthy? Isnt this the same guy that was part of the invasion of the Societ Union in 1917 and proposed sterilized the developmentally disabled?
Woodrow Wilson's quote is also true, and it has nothing to do with Arachnid-headed shapeshifters or global Jew assassins, you can see it in the workings of modern government.
The vast majority of these quotes refer to the influence of money and capital in government, and that can be seen without Annie Oakley spy glasses or breaking into the secret Alex Jones Grove or whatever the fuck. You know, the same shit that President Nixon called "the gayest thing I have ever done".
And of all those quotes, only Weishaupt's and Washington's actually mentions the Illuminati. The rest refer to power grabs by lobbyists, business interests, and private equity. Only by a faith-based approach could you take these quotes as meaning that secret Jew hitmen and Draco lizards run the world government.
Also...
lol @ most of the "Illuminati" theory believers backing up quotes about neafarious commies and commie conspiracies when most would describe themselves as Leftists/Socialists.
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can u point me out a quote that i mentioned that didnt refer to (ie. out of context) a subversive group intent on government control through the monetary system? I mention this because thats who I believe the illuminati are.
And hence, the governing body that is able to establish legislation in said countrys is in effect "rule of the world". I myself am more privy to the fact that ANY form of government is susceptible to corruption..and whos going to say whats legal or illegal where and who is going to have they say on who can enforce them?? the few who enact such legislation..
and what about the others?
And its through these lobbyists in which they work in conjunction with other things such as think tanks, advocate groups etc. If you know that the government is no longer controlled by the people it governs why stop half way down the rabbit hole when these very same lobbyists have bosses who have bosses? They answer to someone above themselves and so on and so forth and you soon come to realize the pyramid structure in which the agenda that is being passed along travels....lol i didnt say anything about blood drinking. But on the same token we can't make assumptions that they really do that in their personal life no more then you can say they dont.
but churchill is only quoted among others that have been posted up. Even in a court of law had you gathered a group of witnesses that have no relation to each other, let alone be in the same time frame, mention the same group of individuals, you'd have enough to bring about charges at the least.
hey, its all a matter of connecting dots. I personally believe the symbolism in which they use reflects a sun worship but people like to toss the group in with jew bashing to help draw comparison to those who are anti semtic so its easier to discredit their existence. Im not saying thats why you mentioned the jewish but thats what ive encountered alot with other people who disbelieve them.
And its through the influence of money in which they operate.. thats been the main point this whole time, and Yeah, the bohemian grove connection comes about because the most influencial people who are the puppets for the illuminati meet their and apparently conduct a mock human sacrafice to an owl deity called 'molech'. Its not denied its admited.
the only diffrence between what you and I are refering to is the name. These 'power grabs' in which you know are taking place are falling into the hands of somebody right?? And it goes even beyond political lobbying and into the actual printing and control of the monetary system of our government.
-the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect:
-the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.
can u point me out a quote that i mentioned that didnt refer to (ie. out of context) a subversive group intent on government control through the monetary system? I mention this because thats who I believe the illuminati are.
And hence, the governing body that is able to establish legislation in said countrys is in effect "rule of the world". I myself am more privy to the fact that ANY form of government is susceptible to corruption..and whos going to say whats legal or illegal where and who is going to have they say on who can enforce them?? the few who enact such legislation..
and what about the others?
And its through these lobbyists in which they work in conjunction with other things such as think tanks, advocate groups etc. If you know that the government is no longer controlled by the people it governs why stop half way down the rabbit hole when these very same lobbyists have bosses who have bosses? They answer to someone above themselves and so on and so forth and you soon come to realize the pyramid structure in which the agenda that is being passed along travels....lol i didnt say anything about blood drinking. But on the same token we can't make assumptions that they really do that in their personal life no more then you can say they dont.
but churchill is only quoted among others that have been posted up. Even in a court of law had you gathered a group of witnesses that have no relation to each other, let alone be in the same time frame, mention the same group of individuals, you'd have enough to bring about charges at the least.
hey, its all a matter of connecting dots. I personally believe the symbolism in which they use reflects a sun worship but people like to toss the group in with jew bashing to help draw comparison to those who are anti semtic so its easier to discredit their existence. Im not saying thats why you mentioned the jewish but thats what ive encountered alot with other people who disbelieve them.
And its through the influence of money in which they operate.. thats been the main point this whole time, and Yeah, the bohemian grove connection comes about because the most influencial people who are the puppets for the illuminati meet their and apparently conduct a mock human sacrafice to an owl deity called 'molech'. Its not denied its admited.
the only diffrence between what you and I are refering to is the name. These 'power grabs' in which you know are taking place are falling into the hands of somebody right?? And it goes even beyond political lobbying and into the actual printing and control of the monetary system of our government.
good shit Troll, all well put.
you cant be serious... I'm going to cut you some slack on that comment, cuz if you think for one second there aint just as many members of every other race that are trying to get a piece of the same pie and working toward the same goal, then you're sadly mistaken... the white people are just the ones who tend to blow their cover more often..
you cant be serious... I'm going to cut you some slack on that comment, cuz if you think for one second there aint just as many members of every other race that are trying to get a piece of the same pie and working toward the same goal, then you're sadly mistaken... the white people are just the ones who tend to blow their cover more often..
I don't understand what blows you away about my opinion. Not everyone thinks alike. Yes there could be secret societies of people of color in the present and there could have been in the past. I made my comment the way I did because in my mind the illuminati is a white people concept. I wasn't commenting on all possible secret societies.
No, I don't.
And I agree with WD 100%.
The belief in the Illuminati, NWO, etc. does a huge disservice to those fighting for change because we know the worlds problems do not exist because of some small secret society that is responsible for every war, every revolution, every popular struggle, no they exist because of Capitalism and the true nature of capitalism and the people that fight it.
It's nothing new. During the Russian revolution people tried to discredit the movement and blame the Jews, saying it was controlled by a small group of Jewish elitists that were not fighting for the people but fighting for their own selfish interests (world domination).
This originated from the 'The Protocols of the Elder's of Zion' (which has been proven as fraudulent and largely plagerized).
The purpose of the Protocols was an attempt to discredit the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks as a Jewish conspiracy for world domination, which of course is completely false. Yes there were Jews in the party, but the Bolshevik leadership always had a Russian majority, as you can see below:
Of these original leaders Trotsky was the lone Jew
The Protocols was largely pumped out to the public as truth to discredit the Workers Movements across the globe, so much so that Henry Ford used to include a copy of the Protocols in every single Ford car sold in america.
A lot of the Illuminati/NWO/Jewish conspiracy theories that exist today come directly from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and it's a piece of dirty history that people need to be aware of in order to understand what disinformation is intended to do and how it is used. While people are blaming a secret shadow government for the worlds problems, they miss the obvious - it is the entire system that is to blame!!
And I agree with WD 100%.
The belief in the Illuminati, NWO, etc. does a huge disservice to those fighting for change because we know the worlds problems do not exist because of some small secret society that is responsible for every war, every revolution, every popular struggle, no they exist because of Capitalism and the true nature of capitalism and the people that fight it.
It's nothing new. During the Russian revolution people tried to discredit the movement and blame the Jews, saying it was controlled by a small group of Jewish elitists that were not fighting for the people but fighting for their own selfish interests (world domination).
This originated from the 'The Protocols of the Elder's of Zion' (which has been proven as fraudulent and largely plagerized).
The purpose of the Protocols was an attempt to discredit the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks as a Jewish conspiracy for world domination, which of course is completely false. Yes there were Jews in the party, but the Bolshevik leadership always had a Russian majority, as you can see below:
Chairman - Lenin
Foreign Affairs - Trotsky
Agriculture - Vladimir Milyutin
Commerce - Viktor Nogin
Communications - Mark Yelizarov
Education - Anatoli Lunatsharski
Finance - Ivan Skvortzov
Food - Ivan Teodorovitsh
Interior - Aleksei Rykov
Justice - Afanasi Lomov
Labour - Aleksandr Shlyapnikov
Military and Navy - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseynko, Dybenko, and Krylenko
Post and Telegraphs - Nikolai Avilov
Foreign Affairs - Trotsky
Agriculture - Vladimir Milyutin
Commerce - Viktor Nogin
Communications - Mark Yelizarov
Education - Anatoli Lunatsharski
Finance - Ivan Skvortzov
Food - Ivan Teodorovitsh
Interior - Aleksei Rykov
Justice - Afanasi Lomov
Labour - Aleksandr Shlyapnikov
Military and Navy - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseynko, Dybenko, and Krylenko
Post and Telegraphs - Nikolai Avilov
Of these original leaders Trotsky was the lone Jew
The Protocols was largely pumped out to the public as truth to discredit the Workers Movements across the globe, so much so that Henry Ford used to include a copy of the Protocols in every single Ford car sold in america.
A lot of the Illuminati/NWO/Jewish conspiracy theories that exist today come directly from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and it's a piece of dirty history that people need to be aware of in order to understand what disinformation is intended to do and how it is used. While people are blaming a secret shadow government for the worlds problems, they miss the obvious - it is the entire system that is to blame!!
man i totally forgot about this thread..
Id like to ask you if there is no organizational structure to the events going on, then how is there a cover-up? someone must be aiding it.. Capitalism is the means in which they work but your stopping short of considering the origin of such a concept... Its like blaming the car for running over your cat instead of the driver himself..
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I believe the connection to jews is a form of discredit in itself because the main idea of discredit behind the "jewish connection" is a plagerized book.. which tries to tie in the idea of a shadow government with it..
It wasnt the protocols of the elders of zion that made me come upon the idea, so i dont understand how it can be the basis for everybodies belief in these people.. and wasnt that george washington quote about the illuminati made before the protocols of the elders of zion was created?
Id like to ask you if there is no organizational structure to the events going on, then how is there a cover-up? someone must be aiding it.. Capitalism is the means in which they work but your stopping short of considering the origin of such a concept... Its like blaming the car for running over your cat instead of the driver himself..
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I believe the connection to jews is a form of discredit in itself because the main idea of discredit behind the "jewish connection" is a plagerized book.. which tries to tie in the idea of a shadow government with it..
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This originated from the 'The Protocols of the Elder's of Zion' (which has been proven as fraudulent and largely plagerized).
The purpose of the Protocols was an attempt to discredit the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks as a Jewish conspiracy for world domination, which of course is completely false. Yes there were Jews in the party, but the Bolshevik leadership always had a Russian majority, as you can see below:
Of these original leaders Trotsky was the lone Jew
The Protocols was largely pumped out to the public as truth to discredit the Workers Movements across the globe, so much so that Henry Ford used to include a copy of the Protocols in every single Ford car sold in america.
A lot of the Illuminati/NWO/Jewish conspiracy theories that exist today come directly from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and it's a piece of dirty history that people need to be aware of in order to understand what disinformation is intended to do and how it is used. While people are blaming a secret shadow government for the worlds problems, they miss the obvious - it is the entire system that is to blame!!
The purpose of the Protocols was an attempt to discredit the Russian Revolution and the Bolsheviks as a Jewish conspiracy for world domination, which of course is completely false. Yes there were Jews in the party, but the Bolshevik leadership always had a Russian majority, as you can see below:
Chairman - Lenin
Foreign Affairs - Trotsky
Agriculture - Vladimir Milyutin
Commerce - Viktor Nogin
Communications - Mark Yelizarov
Education - Anatoli Lunatsharski
Finance - Ivan Skvortzov
Food - Ivan Teodorovitsh
Interior - Aleksei Rykov
Justice - Afanasi Lomov
Labour - Aleksandr Shlyapnikov
Military and Navy - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseynko, Dybenko, and Krylenko
Post and Telegraphs - Nikolai Avilov
Foreign Affairs - Trotsky
Agriculture - Vladimir Milyutin
Commerce - Viktor Nogin
Communications - Mark Yelizarov
Education - Anatoli Lunatsharski
Finance - Ivan Skvortzov
Food - Ivan Teodorovitsh
Interior - Aleksei Rykov
Justice - Afanasi Lomov
Labour - Aleksandr Shlyapnikov
Military and Navy - Vladimir Antonov-Ovseynko, Dybenko, and Krylenko
Post and Telegraphs - Nikolai Avilov
Of these original leaders Trotsky was the lone Jew
The Protocols was largely pumped out to the public as truth to discredit the Workers Movements across the globe, so much so that Henry Ford used to include a copy of the Protocols in every single Ford car sold in america.
A lot of the Illuminati/NWO/Jewish conspiracy theories that exist today come directly from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and it's a piece of dirty history that people need to be aware of in order to understand what disinformation is intended to do and how it is used. While people are blaming a secret shadow government for the worlds problems, they miss the obvious - it is the entire system that is to blame!!
If you're asking if the guy in the White House matters then no. I know multinational corporations run the show from behind the scene. But I just sit back and collect money off the system and have another drink. Everyone is happy and we all eat well in the end.
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I think it's an organization but I don't think they conspire, I view them as a group much like the Freemasons.
They're both bullshit clubs with rich members...
The notion that they're all in consensus is asinine..
You couldn't pluck 10 people with similar views off the street and have them concoct a massive global conspiracy even if you gave them a billion dollars..
Shit it's hard enough to get a jury to decide the fate of a defendant but for some reason the Illuminati is somehow immune from emotion, morals, ethics and guilt?
No I don't believe in it because I don't believe in Stepford Wives either.
They're both bullshit clubs with rich members...
The notion that they're all in consensus is asinine..
You couldn't pluck 10 people with similar views off the street and have them concoct a massive global conspiracy even if you gave them a billion dollars..
Shit it's hard enough to get a jury to decide the fate of a defendant but for some reason the Illuminati is somehow immune from emotion, morals, ethics and guilt?
No I don't believe in it because I don't believe in Stepford Wives either.
I believe in secret societies, however I don't believe they're nefarious....
I suppose street gangs could be considered a nefarious secret society.
I suppose the libertarian political party is a secret society that is NOT nefarious.
I think a better question to ask would be if people believed in conspiracy theories?
I suppose street gangs could be considered a nefarious secret society.
I suppose the libertarian political party is a secret society that is NOT nefarious.
I think a better question to ask would be if people believed in conspiracy theories?