Will Scientists be able to create life from scratch?

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One genetic molecule at a time.

Do you think this is a good or bad thing (or both)?
What are the benefits? What are the negatives?
Will this accomplishment shed any light on our own existence?
Would this damage the "Intelligent Design" argument?
Thoughts/comments/concerns?


This photo, provided by ProtoLife, shows vesicles, artificial membranes for cells, made from scratch. Teams around the world, including ProtoLife, are trying to create synthetic life in a lab.
 
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I should have worded it better. Viruses need a host to reproduce. Viruses can't "mate" with each other or anything.


I think life will definitely be created within the next century. I'm sure it will give us a better understanding of evolution, especially concerning that of the first organisms. Plus, creating life is fucking awesome on its own.

I wonder how they would control its evolution though. If it would be treated like a domesticated animal or something (if that's even possible), or just let its evolution run wild. And if they did, what kind of pressures would cause its evolution.
 
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human life? i would have to say yes, its only a matter of time really. we can clone, so within 200 years easily we could. i really dont agree with them doing stuff like that, and i serious think it will fuck with our evolution. they should be more concern with finding cures to preserve life
 

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I wouldn't count a virus for the already mentioned reason. They cannot reproduce on their own.
The benefits to creating human molecules, eventually into tissues an organs could be a monumental boost to medical care for obvious reasons.
Negatives might include the dehumanizing of life. With the control to create another life, each person has an incomprehensible amount of power.

I do not, however, see how this would damage the intelligent design argument. Most people that argue for it will be able to say that our intelligence is a mere reflection of our creator. It can also be argued that the actual human design counts as its own brand of intelligent design.
 
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Any type of life. I'm talking about creating life in a lab, from scratch, an artificial life form.


Here is a recent article I found from Jan '08:

US scientists close to creating artificial life: study

US scientists have taken a major step toward creating the first ever artificial life form by synthetically reproducing the DNA of a bacteria, according to a study published Thursday.
The move, which comes after five years of research, is seen as the penultimate stage in the endeavor to create an artificial life form based entirely on a man-made DNA genome -- something which has tantalized scientists and sci-fi writers for years.

"Through dedicated teamwork we have shown that building large genomes is now feasible and scalable so that important applications such as biofuels can be developed," said Hamilton Smith, from the J.Craig Venter Institute, in the study published in Science.

The research has been carried out at the laboratories of the controversial celebrity US scientist Craig Venter, who has hailed artificial life forms as a potential remedy to illness and global warming.

However, the prospect of engineering artificial life forms is highly controversial and arouses heated debate over the ethics and its potential ramifications.

It is one of the Holy Grails of science, but also one that stirs deep fears as foreseen in Aldous Huxley's 1932 novel "Brave New World" in which natural human reproduction is eschewed in favor of babies grown artificially in laboratories.

Venter said in a statement: "This extraordinary accomplishment is a technological marvel that was only made possible because of the unique and accomplished ... team."

His researchers had "dedicated the last several years to designing and perfecting new methods and techniques that we believe will become widely used to advance the field of synthetic genomics," he added.

Lead author Dan Gibson said the team had completed the second step in a three-step process to create a synthetic organism.

In the final stage of their research which they are already working on, the Maryland-based team will attempt to create a bacteria based purely on the synthetic genome sequence of the Mycoplasma genitalium bacteria.

The bacteria, which causes certain sexually transmitted diseases, has one of the least complex DNA structures of any life form, composed of just 580 genes.

In contrast, the human genome has some 30,000.

The chromosome which Venter and his team has created is known as Mycoplasma laboratorium and, in the final step of the process, will be transplanted into a living cell where it should "take control," effectively becoming a new life form.

"When we started this work several years ago, we knew it was going to be difficult because we were treading into unknown territory," said Smith.

But other scientists remain cautious, saying Venter and his team are still a long way from being able to create artificial life.

And ETC, a Canadian watchdog group that uncovered Venter's patent application for M. laboratorium, worries about accountability.

"Venter is claiming bragging rights to the world's longest length of synthetic DNA, but size isn't everything. The important question is not 'how long?', but 'how wise?'" said Jim Thomas from ETC.

"While synthetic biology is speeding ahead in the lab and in the marketplace, societal debate and regulatory oversight is stalled, and there has been no meaningful or inclusive discussion on how to govern synthetic biology in a safe and just way."

Eckard Wimmer, professor of molecular biology at New York University, said it was clear from Venter's study that the team had not yet created artificial life.

He said he was left with "the unpleasant feeling whether or not the synthetic DNA was indeed proper and able for biological function."

His fears were echoed by Helen Wallace, a biologist and spokeswoman for GeneWatch UK, who said that while Venter's team has managed a technical feat, it is some way from being artificial life.

"Venter is not God ... He's a long way from creating life," she told AFP.

"It's a type of genetic engineering which would allow people to make much bigger genetic changes, which means that in the future you could create organisms with new gene sequences."

Venter: US scientist with ambitions to create life

Craig Venter is a maverick US scientist and pioneer of biotechnology with a single over-riding ambition -- to create the first form of artificial life to aid humanity battle 21st century problems.

Venter says his cutting-edge research could help resolve some of the world's most pressing ills, by creating man-made bacteria which could help tackle such issues as dwindling fuel resources and mounting garbage dumps.

But to his critics, the 61-year-old researcher is a megalomaniac determined to write his name into history, and along the way slap a patent on artificial life-forms.

In 2001, Venter almost beat a public-sector international consortium in being first to decode the human genome, and in early 2007 his institute unveiled the first fully-sequenced genome of an individual: himself.

His controversial approach and his thirst to be the first to crack one of science's Holy Grails has driven his research on.

In 2006, his laboratory, the J. Craig Venter Institute, filed for a US patent on a single-cell organism, claiming exclusive ownership of a set of essential genes and a synthetic "free-living organism that can grow and replicate."

The single cell organism, which the Canadian bioethics organization ETC Group has coined "Synthia," is piloted by a chromosome with just 381 genes, the limit necessary to sustain the life of the bacteria so it can feed and reproduce.

The ETC watchdog publicized the patent application, which would apply in the United States and 100 or so other countries, in June 2007.

Venter told the British daily The Guardian in October that the synthetic chromosome built using chemicals in a laboratory would be "a very important philosophical step in the history of our species."

"We are going from reading our genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability to do things never contemplated before," Venter said.

He has sought to address some of the ethical and regulatory concerns by issuing a kind of white paper with recommendations for policymakers.

But specialists say that, outside the lab, the world is totally unprepared for the looming dawn of synbio, as synthetic biology is called.

And watchdog groups are not buying either. They want national government and international organizations to take the lead.

"We've seen a lot of hype from him. Venter is not God ... He's a long way from creating life," said Helen Wallace, a biologist and spokesperson for GeneWatch UK.

"It's a type of genetic engineering which would allow people to make much bigger genetic changes, which means that in the future you could create organisms with new gene sequences."

But she added that "the consequences can be unknown" for the environment.

Venter, named by Time magazine in 2007 as one of the world's 100 most influential people, is also a prolific author having published some 200 scientific articles.

He is also a member of the National American Academy of Arts and Sciences.







Two related threads from this forum (Hutch and ThaG):

http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=267560
http://www.siccness.net/vb/showthread.php?t=255409
 
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I do not, however, see how this would damage the intelligent design argument. Most people that argue for it will be able to say that our intelligence is a mere reflection of our creator. It can also be argued that the actual human design counts as its own brand of intelligent design.
Well, because creationists argue that life is too complex to simply appear "out of no where." If scientists are to create life in a lab, they can prove just how simple it is, and demonstrate under the right conditions how this can occur randomly, in addition to revealing further information related to evolution.
 
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I believe humans can because God is a scientist/ is science and used science to create us. And he created us in his image, meaning we will eventually figure it out if we keep trying. When or if we do it, I don't think the Human will live very long and I think they will be allot of things wrong with it.
 
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I hope it happens sometime in my lifetime....
I would like to see a person with no genetic anything evolve their own personality.....
That shit would be crazy tho......
 

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Well, because creationists argue that life is too complex to simply appear "out of no where." If scientists are to create life in a lab, they can prove just how simple it is, and demonstrate under the right conditions how this can occur randomly, in addition to revealing further information related to evolution.
I can understand that, but under Speedy's explination, it doesn't necessarily threaten it. It may just require some adjustments.

I believe humans can because God is a scientist/ is science and used science to create us. And he created us in his image, meaning we will eventually figure it out if we keep trying. When or if we do it, I don't think the Human will live very long and I think they will be allot of things wrong with it.
 

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There is nothing conceptually difficult in creating life, it is a technical and engineering problem, i.e how you do it in the lab, rather than how you do it principle and whether you can do it
 
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I should have worded it better. Viruses need a host to reproduce. Viruses can't "mate" with each other or anything.


I think life will definitely be created within the next century. I'm sure it will give us a better understanding of evolution, especially concerning that of the first organisms. Plus, creating life is fucking awesome on its own.

I wonder how they would control its evolution though. If it would be treated like a domesticated animal or something (if that's even possible), or just let its evolution run wild. And if they did, what kind of pressures would cause its evolution.
Whether or not it needs a host or whether or not it reproduces sexually or asexually has no bearing on the fact that it's a living thing.
 

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Whether or not it needs a host or whether or not it reproduces sexually or asexually has no bearing on the fact that it's a living thing.
yeah, but it's nothing more than a crystal outside a cell.... so those who claim it isn't alive have their point, at least superficially

however, viruses probably arose from primitive cellular organisms which were definitely alive and since they have a genome with certain instruction encoded in it, sometimes as large or even larger than that of a bacteria, they can certainly be considered alive (which position I support)
 
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Whether or not it needs a host or whether or not it reproduces sexually or asexually has no bearing on the fact that it's a living thing.
It's not sexual vs. asexual reproduction. Viruses "hijack" another organism's cells and uses them to produce their own DNA (viruses can't reproduce their own DNA). I feel that in order to truly be living, you have to be able to reproduce independently, sexually or asexually. It's just my opinion, like ThaG said, there's no consensus as to whether viruses are truly living or not.