Why isnt Cuban Health Care not good enough for Castro??

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Sep 25, 2005
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Castro Reportedly in Grave Condition


MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro is in "very grave" condition after three failed operations and complications from an intestinal infection, a Spanish newspaper said Tuesday.
The newspaper El Pais cited two unnamed sources from the Gregorio Maranon hospital in the Spanish capital of Madrid. The facility employs surgeon Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, who flew to Cuba in December to treat the 80-year-old Castro.

In a report published on its Web site, El Pais said: "A grave infection in the large intestine, at least three failed operations and various complications have left the Cuban dictator, Fidel Castro, laid up with a very grave prognosis."

Cuba has released little information on Castro's condition since he temporarily ceded power in July to his brother, Defense Minister Raul Castro, until he could recover from emergency intestinal surgery, prompting much speculation and rumor in the country and around the world.

El Pais' report, which could not immediately be confirmed, was a rare detailed description from a major media outlet about Castro's condition.

The U.S. government had speculated that Castro could suffer from cancer _ a supposition denied by Sabrido. Some U.S. doctors believed Castro was suffering from diverticular disease, which can cause bleeding in the lower intestine, especially in people over 60. In severe cases, emergency surgery may be required.

That idea was supported by El Pais, which reported that its sources said Castro had suffered a bout of the disease.

"In the summer, the Cuban leader bled abundantly in the intestine," El Pais reported. "This adversity led him to the operating table, according to the medical sources. His condition, moreover, was aggravated because the infection spread and caused peritonitis, the inflammation of the membrane that covers the digestive organs."

A statement attributed to Castro was released on New Year's Eve saying his recovery was "far from being a lost battle."

Cuban officials told visiting U.S. lawmakers last month that Castro does not have cancer or a terminal illness and will eventually return to public life, although it was not clear whether he would return to the same kind of absolute control as before.
 

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Lamberto Quintero said:
Why isn´t it not good enough??? Huh????
He's referring to the fact that they had a Spanish doctor fly in to check him and that they obviously haven't been able to "cure" him from his ailments.
 
Jul 22, 2006
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According to sources, which will go un-named, "LA Dodgers is currently undergoing hormone treatments preceding a sex change operation to take place at an undisclosed date."

If I printed that in newspaper format would that make it fact?

Neither the Cuban government nor this doctor (or any named source at the hospital he works at) has confirmed any of this report. Those would be the only reliable sources for information on the subject. Neither has confirmed and one has actually denied this report.

If we are to assume the article is factual then the critique of the Cuban medical system that is implied by LA Dodgers can be examined.

At which point we should consider:
  • Spain is about 4 times as large (population) as Cuba. Given this fact we can extrapolate that they have both; more doctors and more experience in the treatment of diverticulosis than does Cuba.

  • Spain has a more advanced economy than Cuba and is free of the economic and political blockade imposed upon Cuba. Given this fact we can assume that they have access and experience with both; more advanced/modern treatment techniques and more advanced/modern technology than does Cuba.

  • When a head of state is gravely ill how many doctors are consulted, just one? Should we not assume that many doctors and many specialists would be consulted or brought in to treat them? If the president of the United States were to fall ill do you believe that the best possible doctors would be brought in regardless of nationality to care for him or would his health be put aside for propaganda purposes?
 
Sep 25, 2005
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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/16/D8MMGQLG0.html

MADRID, Spain (AP) -- Fidel Castro has had at least three failed operations and complications from an intestinal infection, and the Cuban leader faces "a very grave prognosis," a Spanish newspaper reported Tuesday. A Cuban diplomat in Madrid said the reports were lies and declined to comment. "It's another lie and we are not going to talk about it. If anyone has to talk about Castro's illness, it's Havana," the diplomat said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of official policy.


The newspaper El Pais cited two unidentified sources from the Gregorio Maranon hospital in the Spanish capital of Madrid. The facility employs surgeon Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, who flew to Cuba in December to treat the 80-year-old Castro.

In a report published on its Web site, El Pais said: "A grave infection in the large intestine, at least three failed operations and various complications have left the Cuban dictator, Fidel Castro, laid up with a very grave prognosis."

Cuba has released little information on Castro's condition since he temporarily ceded power in July to his brother, Defense Minister Raul Castro, until he could recover from emergency intestinal surgery.

El Pais' report, which could not immediately be confirmed, was a rare detailed description from a major media outlet about Castro's condition.

The report was not made public in Cuba, where the government runs the media and Cubans have become accustomed to very limited details about their ailing leader's health. Some criticized the unofficial reports by sources outside Cuba, saying they were speculative and likely false.

"If Fidel is exercising his right to keep everything concealed, well then, let him keep things concealed," said Ana Casas, who hadn't seen the El Pais report. "It's for his own good, so people don't talk such nonsense like they're doing in other countries."

The U.S. government had speculated that Castro could suffer from cancer _ a supposition denied by Garcia Sabrido. Some U.S. doctors believed Castro was suffering from diverticular disease, which can cause bleeding in the lower intestine, especially in people over 60. In severe cases, emergency surgery may be required.

That idea was supported by El Pais, which reported that its sources said Castro had suffered a bout of the disease.

"In the summer, the Cuban leader bled abundantly in the intestine," El Pais reported. "This adversity led him to the operating table, according to the medical sources. His condition, moreover, was aggravated because the infection spread and caused peritonitis, the inflammation of the membrane that covers the digestive organs."

The recovery from the first operation, in which part of his large intestine was extracted and the colon was connected to the rectum, did not go well, resulting in peritonitis, the report said.

A second operation to clean and drain the infected area was conducted. Doctors removed the remainder of Castro's large intestine and created an artificial anus. But this operation also failed, El Pais said.

The Cuban leader was then hit with inflammation of the bile duct. He developed a condition called cholecystitis, which is an inflammation of the gall bladder. El Pais said this condition has an 80 percent mortality rate.

A prosthetic device made in South Korea was implanted in the bile duct and failed, and was replaced with one made in Spain, the report said.

El Pais said that in December, when Garcia Sabrido visited, Castro had an abdominal wound that was leaking more than a pint of fluids a day, causing "a severe loss of nutrients." The Cuban leader was being fed intravenously, the report said.

Garcia Sabrido's secretary said he would not comment on the report.

White House press secretary Tony Snow said the El Pais report appears to be "just sort of a roundup of previous health reports. We've got nothing new."

A statement attributed to Castro was released on Dec. 31, saying his recovery was "far from being a lost battle."

Cuban officials told visiting U.S. lawmakers last month that Castro does not have cancer or a terminal illness and will eventually return to public life, although it was not clear whether he would return to the same kind of absolute control as before.

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Associated Press writer Vanessa Arrington contributed to this report from Havana
 
Dec 4, 2006
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actually Cuba's health care program is pretty good..

and White Devil ...they do have limited access to the internet and people can own computers...
 
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http://today.reuters.com/news/artic...=&cap=&sz=13&WTModLoc=NewsArt-C1-ArticlePage1

Castro surgery seems to have been botched: experts
Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:18pm ET
By Tom Brown

MIAMI (Reuters) - Cuban leader Fidel Castro has long prided himself on Cuba's doctors and free public health care system, but that system seems to have let him down after he fell ill in July , U.S.-based doctors said on Tuesday.

Based on a report in Tuesday's edition of Spain's El Pais newspaper, the doctors -- who have no first-hand knowledge of Castro's condition -- said Castro had received questionable or even botched care at the hands of health experts on his communist-ruled island.

"It's not a good story. Too bad they didn't send him to Miami for surgery," said Dr. Charles Gerson, a clinical professor of medicine in the gastroenterology division of New York's Mt. Sinai School of Medicine.

According to two medical sources cited by El Pais, the veteran revolutionary was in "very serious" condition after three failed operations on his large intestine for diverticulitis, or pouch-like bulges in the intestine, complicated by infection.

The sources in El Pais were from the same Madrid hospital where a surgeon who visited the 80-year-old Castro in late December works.

The Spanish surgeon, Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, had not changed his opinion that Castro was slowly recovering after stomach surgery for an undisclosed ailment, his secretary said.

But El Pais said Castro was being fed intravenously and his outlook was bleak. If confirmed, the newspaper's account was the first with details of Castro's clinical history since he first underwent surgery six months ago. His condition is considered a state secret inside Cuba.

Gerson and Dr. Meyer Solny, a veteran gastrointestinal expert at New York Presbyterian Hospital and the Weill Cornell College of Medicine, said Castro's doctors erred by seeking to avoid a colostomy -- or opening in the abdomen to get rid of stool -- after an initial operation to remove part of his large intestine.

'VERY RISKY SITUATION'

"They took a chance, which was probably not the best judgment under the circumstances," Gerson said.

"It sounds like they tried to spare him the colostomy, which would have been the safer and more conservative approach, and what they did was to try to establish continuity of the bowel by sewing the colon to the rectum, and for one reason or another it sounds like that didn't work. And now there are troubles," said Solny.

Gerson said the Cuban doctors appeared to have suffered one problem after another.

"What you're into is multiple operations with complications and infection in someone his age, you know, the wear and tear is going to start wearing him down, and he's going to get weaker," he said.

U.S. medical experts were also puzzled by El Pais' report that Castro had undergone a third operation to implant a Korean-made prosthesis, possibly an artificial stretch of bowel, after a second failed operation to clean and drain an infected area and perform a colostomy.

"I would say that that would likely be a very risky situation because of the nature of the large intestine, which is a sewage line," said Dr. Stephen Hanauer, chief of gastroenterology at the University of Chicago.

He said the use of a prosthesis in such cases was "experimental" at best and unheard of in the United States.

"I think the prognosis is very grave at this point," said Dr. Roshini Rajapaksa, a gastroenterologist at NYU Medical center and assistant professor at the NYU School of Medicine.

"For an elderly person to undergo major abdominal surgery three times, especially when they're unsuccessful, is a very serious situation."
 
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LA Dodgers said:
MIAMI (Reuters) - Cuban leader Fidel Castro has long prided himself on Cuba's doctors and free public health care system, but that system seems to have let him down after he fell ill in July , U.S.-based doctors said on Tuesday.

Based on a report in Tuesday's edition of Spain's El Pais newspaper, the doctors -- who have no first-hand knowledge of Castro's condition -- said

Why even bother?

Do you normally ignore replies that invalidate your posts?
 
Jul 22, 2006
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Deadpool said:
Neither the Cuban government nor this doctor (or any named source at the hospital he works at) has confirmed any of this report. Those would be the only reliable sources for information on the subject.
source

BBC News said:
A Spanish surgeon who travelled to Cuba last month to examine Mr Castro also said the report was "without foundation".

Mr Garcia Sabrido himself said on Tuesday that any reports that did not come from Mr Castro's medical team should be ignored.

The authorities in Havana have . . . rejected speculation that he is suffering from cancer or a terminal illness.