What must Floyd Mayweather do to get his respect?

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By Aaron Screen -

It is now well known that Floyd “Money” Mayweather Jr. will be making his much anticipated return to the ring against fellow pound for pound great, Juan Manual Marquez, regardless of the true reasons, for the original delay of his much publicized comeback, whether it may be the official line of a rib injury or due to the speculated lack of ticket sales, one thing we do know for sure is that it is not going to help Mayweathers cause in regards to getting his many critics off his back. The fact he is coming back against a man considered too small for him was bad enough, now that this supposed “mismatch” won’t be taking place earlier than expected, will just add more fuel to the fire. One of the reasons being is, it will almost certainly ensure the controversial Mayweather is not pitted against the likes of Manny Pacquiao, Shane Mosley or even a Miguel Cotto, fighters who Floyd’s critics believe will probably beat him or at the very least proves to be his toughest test to date. While it is disappointing that PBF will not be back in the ring earlier than expected, meaning it will be much longer before he faces up against the “big boys” in the division. I find it difficult to believe this should be used against Mayweather, a man that is arguably the most naturally gifted boxer of his generation, yet one that still faces continued criticism in every decision he makes, it may be going too far to feel sorry for the self-proclaimed “pretty boy” but he sure is up against it. Whether it’s the opponent, the weight, even the referee, any kind of ammunition that can be used against Mayweather Jr. has already been used. The supposed lack of tickets sales is an indication he is not getting the respect someone of his ability is usually accustomed to, only in the sport of boxing can an individual with so much ability be so little appreciated..

In stark contrast to this writer’s opinion most fans believe that PBF is taking the easy option in fighting the lightweight champion in Marquez. This is cannot be further from the truth. There is nothing easy about facing arguably the number three pound for pound champion, who is coming off two spectacular knockout wins (when stepping up in weight) and who gave the current pound for pound champion two of his toughest fights to date. The fact most people believe Marquez beat Pacquiao only serves to show the double standards when Mayweather is concerned. The same people moaning about the Mayweather-Marquez fight are the same people clamouring for a Mayweather-Pacquiao Fight. Although this is another argument for another time, it is important here not to get sidetracked in trying to defend the Marquez fight as I find myself doing, there has already been too much debate on the matter than is necessary.

The real question that this article poses (yeah finally) is what must Floyd Mayweather do to get his respect or more fittingly who must he fight? When I mean respect, I don’t mean acknowledgement of his great skills, or natural ability, as that is obvious for everyone to see, when I mean respect I’m talking about, pure, unequivocal admiration for a fighter that is not only considered great but who also faced the best. The first argument that springs to mind is “ok he is great but he has never faced the best”. Ok then, well I’ll ask again who must PBF face to get this respect? Obviously Castillo, Corrales, De la Hoya (116-8-1 combined at the time) was not good enough to warrant this respect, what about Hernandez, Judah, Hatton (115-4-1) still not enough? It seems that whoever Floyd defeats he will still have his detractors. Another accusation levelled at Mayweather is the fact that he has not had to endure any real adversity during his career i.e. revenging a loss or coming back from the brink of defeat, again this criticism is flawed as it is simply unjust to hold the pretty boy’s dominance against him, losing and then winning against an opponent, while admirable does not define a great fighter. Whilst I am acutely aware that this article will ruffle a few feathers in the anti-Mayweather fraternity, it is not an attempt to provoke more controversy which already shrouds the not so modest “Money Mayweather” whenever his name his mentioned. It is merely an attempt to find out what is needed and what is expected for the “pretty boy” to gain the type of respect bestowed upon great fighters such as Ali, Robinson and Co.

So what is needed, will a win over Shane Mosley get this respect or a devastating performance against Pacquiao, how about a shutout over Cotto? I think what is needed in the eyes of his detractors for “Money May” to gain the respect he so craves, is a win over all these pound for pound greats, a win against fighters that have the capabilities of catching him flush and putting in doubt his claim to be boxings pretty boy, possibly even throw a Paul Williams in the mix (that’s if he’s not fighting for the heavyweight title by the time) only then will he get his respect. So come on fight fans will this be enough, is this what Floyd needs to accomplish? Surely by beating at least three of the four mentioned fighters, Mayweather must get his “respect” from fans and critics alike, even the harshest of fans will find it hard to criticise after wins of that magnitude. Still, with this in mind I am not sure anything will do for boxings very own pantomime villain in regards to some of his critics, which is not only a shame but also downright single mindedness. I can just imagine the detractors now “Oh Pacquiao was too small, Mosley too old and Cotto just a shell of his former self”. It is not a stretch of the imagination to envisage Floyd beating all of these opponents even Williams (think Corrales) but whether it will really have any bearing on the way he is portrayed remains to be seen.

It is said that a great fighter is never truly appreciated until he’s gone, well let’s just hope that Mayweather breaks this tradition and forces his critics to realise his greatness now.
 
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I agree that Juan Manuel Marquez isn't an easy task for anyone, but the fact remains that Marquez is a 135 pound fighter and Mayweather is a 147 pound fighter.

Also, Mayweather had mad respect when he was at the lower weight classes, he beat everyone who was anyone and did so convincingly. However, since his close fights with Castillo, mayweather has always chosen the easy path, probably because he knew in his mind he could be beat. Think about it. He fights Arturo Gatti at 140 pounds even though Floyd himself calls him a c-class fighter and Kostya Tszyu was the king of 140 pounds. He then fights Sharmba Mitchell even though he was just stopped by Kostya Tszyu. He fights Zab Judah even though Judah just lost to Carlos freakin Baldomir! And then Oscar who was past his prime and Ricky hatton, who had no business at 147 pounds, meanwhile the entire time floyd is at 147 all the fans and media are calling floyd to fight cotto or margarito. In other words, he doesn't even fight a legitimate 147 pound fighter besides Zab Judah (and Judah wasn't even ranked in the top 5). If he doesn't want to fight the big names at 147, then stay at 140.

That's the problem people have with mayweather, not fighting the best in HIS weight division.

What he can do to earn respect? After Marquez (assuming he wins), fight the winner of the Pacquiao/Cotto fight. Then fight Shane Mosley.

Do that, and win, and he'll be viewed as a god when it's all said and done.
 
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^ Yeah, everyone knows that this guy was an absolute terror in the lower weight classes. Its just that he is so afraid of losing, in my opinion, he doesn't allow himself to take the risks that would make his accomplishments undeniable (sp?).

The fact that he retired twice, while his division was just overflowing with young talent, will never sit well with any boxing fan.


One thing that bothers me is his phony bad guy image. Promising a war and fireworks before a fight, knowing damn well that your safety first style will never allow for such a thing is kind of cheating the fans.


I am willing to be that even though De La Hoya-Mayweather was the highest selling fight in history...it also did more negative for the sport than the profits from the show tell.

Millions of people tuned in to watch the fight, and no one that I ever talked to about that fight enjoyed it, in the slightest. That left many new potential boxing fans looking elsewhere to get their fireworks. Sure, it was a success, but it did nothing for the sport in the long run.
 
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Judah was to ranked in the top 10 at 147 when Mayweather fought and beat him. In fact he was top 5. Judah had just lost the lineal title (the only one title that matters if someone holds it) and then Mayweather fought the lineal title holder in Baldomir. No one that is relevant right now was relevant then. Tell me who else he should have fight besides Judah & Baldomir in 2006. Kostya was battling serious injuries at the time and came back to lose to Hatton and never fight again around the time that Mayweather fought Gatti.

.. and knocking him for taking the DLH fight is laughable.

The only thing you can say is him not fighting Cotto or anyone else AFTER the Hatton fight. People are just grasping at straws trying to pull up shit from the past.
 
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Judah was to ranked in the top 10 at 147 when Mayweather fought and beat him. In fact he was top 5.
I said top 5. I'm almost positive he was ranked #7 when they fought. I might be wrong though.

Judah had just lost the lineal title (the only one title that matters if someone holds it) and then Mayweather fought the lineal title holder in Baldomir. No one that is relevant right now was relevant then. Tell me who else he should have fight besides Judah & Baldomir in 2006. Kostya was battling serious injuries at the time and came back to lose to Hatton and never fight again around the time that Mayweather fought Gatti.
At 140 he should have at least fought Kosta Tszu, he was the man at 140 (before ricky ended it). What's the point of fighting Gatti at 140 when Tszu was the man?

and knocking him for taking the DLH fight is laughable.
I'm not knocking him for fighting Oscar, I'm simply stating teh reason mayweather gets hate, which is taking the easy path since Castillo. He can have his money fight with oscar and still fight cotto and/or margarito. At the time EVERYONE wanted to see that fight. And what does floyd do? Fights Ricky. And don't say it was more money because ESPN, etc. all the media outlets were talking about Mayweather vs Cotto/margarito, hatton wasn't even on the radar. Mayweather would have sold more against either one of those guys.

The only thing you can say is him not fighting Cotto or anyone else AFTER the Hatton fight.
No man, right after Oscar that what the people wanted. Cotto or margarito.

All I'm doing is stating the reasons mayweather gets hate. It's viewed that he hasn't fought the best, whether you agree or not that's the perception. I like mayweather as a fighter, one of the best, but I do agree he's fought safe for a while now. Maybe that will change. But his retirement right at the peak of his career left me sour. He hurt the sport rather than help it.
 
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It's a retards perception (no offense if that's yours). I'm not a Mayweather fan at all but the fact that people try to discredit everything he's done is retarded. Tsyzu barely fought because of injuries in the period when Mayweather was at 140 and when he came back he did the same thing Mayweather gets knocked .. he took a big money fight with Ricky Hatton. You don't want me to say it was more money but it was. No one could have brought him the money Hatton did and that's the truth. I strongly disagree that Mayweather would've made more against Cotto or especially Margarito.

I say after the Hatton fight because Hatton was BIG money, something no one else could have brought him at the time .. not even Cotto. The knock on him should be for not fighting Cotto AFTER Hatton. Cotto was undefeated at the time, an excellent fighters and perceived to be the best welterweight at the moment besides Floyd. It would have been an excellent and was the best money fight remaining.

Also Judah didn't drop much in the way of ranking after fighting Baldomir even though he should have. The fact that he didn't go down very far should speak to the state of the welterweight division at the time Mayweather first jumped in it.

EDIT: I found Ring Magazine's ranking for after the Baldomir fight. They had Baldomir as champ and Zab Judah was ranked #2.
 
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It's a retards perception (no offense if that's yours).
I'm not impressed with Mayweathers work at 147. That isn't to say he wouldn't beat cotto, margarito, etc. because I believe he would, but he clearly didn't fight the best at 147 (and still probably wont).

he took a big money fight with Ricky Hatton. You don't want me to say it was more money but it was. No one could have brought him the money Hatton did and that's the truth. I strongly disagree that Mayweather would've made more against Cotto or especially Margarito.
No one in the US knew who ricky hatton was and it sold 900,000. Cotto and Margarito were making big names for themselves and they were getting a lot of main stream media attention, add to that when the best fight the best it always sells well. Mayweather vs Margarito (huge mexican fanbase at the time) or Cotto (huge puerto rican fan base) would have sold over 1 million PPV's.

I say after the Hatton fight because Hatton was BIG money, something no one else could have brought him at the time .. not even Cotto. The knock on him should be for not fighting Cotto AFTER Hatton. Cotto was undefeated at the time, an excellent fighters and perceived to be the best welterweight at the moment besides Floyd. It would have been an excellent and was the best money fight remaining.
Before or after, doesn't matter. Everyone wanted Floyd to fight cotto and/or margarito, there is no question about it. And wasn't floyd offered like $7 million to fight margarito at one point and turned it down to fight Baldimor? And sure, you can say "floyd did it for the belt" but floyd himself always said he doesn't give a shit about belts, and I quote, "floyd mayweather doesn't need the belts, the belts need Floyd Mayweather."


EDIT: I found Ring Magazine's ranking for after the Baldomir fight. They had Baldomir as champ and Zab Judah was ranked #2.
So you're saying Judah was ranked #2 when Mayweather fought him?! Do you have an online source or hard copy?
 
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If he wins a fight, there will be excuses (weight, mismatch, opponent isnt a true 147, etc).
If he loses a fight, there will be excuses (retired, past his prime, rib and hand injury, etc).

It's too late for the guy. He messed around too much...
Plus the majority of boxing and its fans dislike him as a person. His personality is garbage.
 
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Its funny he didnt act like that till he fired his promoter. He wasnt getting the big fights in his eyes so he went on a shit talking spree. Mayweather i have never really liked but i know he would destroy my fighter Cotto and you cant say really anything bad about his fighting skills cuz hes never been beat.
 
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his skills have never been in question. It's just the path he chooses at times people question or criticize.

I don't really care, it's his life, his career he can do as he chooses. But historically speaking, he will never be ranked as amongst the all time greats because of it (not as of right now anyways, this could change depending on how his career goes from here), he'll be top 50 probably, but not top 20 and certainly not #1 as Floyd claims he is (he's said numerous times he's #1 and sugar ray robinson is #2 which is a joke). In fact, he's not even the highest ranked active fighter of today (bernard hopkins and pacquiao are two guys still fighting that should be ranked higher than him, based on their accomplishments).
 
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He had to adopt that persona because his fight style alone sold peanuts.


Its too bad now that all everyone will remember is his big mouth, and what he didn't do, rather than what he did.
 
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I agree that Juan Manuel Marquez isn't an easy task for anyone, but the fact remains that Marquez is a 135 pound fighter and Mayweather is a 147 pound fighter.

Also, Mayweather had mad respect when he was at the lower weight classes, he beat everyone who was anyone and did so convincingly. However, since his close fights with Castillo, mayweather has always chosen the easy path, probably because he knew in his mind he could be beat. Think about it. He fights Arturo Gatti at 140 pounds even though Floyd himself calls him a c-class fighter and Kostya Tszyu was the king of 140 pounds. He then fights Sharmba Mitchell even though he was just stopped by Kostya Tszyu. He fights Zab Judah even though Judah just lost to Carlos freakin Baldomir! And then Oscar who was past his prime and Ricky hatton, who had no business at 147 pounds, meanwhile the entire time floyd is at 147 all the fans and media are calling floyd to fight cotto or margarito. In other words, he doesn't even fight a legitimate 147 pound fighter besides Zab Judah (and Judah wasn't even ranked in the top 5). If he doesn't want to fight the big names at 147, then stay at 140.

That's the problem people have with mayweather, not fighting the best in HIS weight division.

What he can do to earn respect? After Marquez (assuming he wins), fight the winner of the Pacquiao/Cotto fight. Then fight Shane Mosley.

Do that, and win, and he'll be viewed as a god when it's all said and done.

I feel as tho this whole size argument with JMM is crazy because no one is bitching about a potential Cotto-Pacman fight this November. Robinson moved up two weight classes to fight Maxim and the only thing that beat Robinson in that fight was the heat. Mayweather will not grossly outweigh JMM (e.g. Ruiz-RJJ), talent will determine the winner. Now, as far as the whole respect issue, some fighters get respect from fans just for inking the contract for a fight or standing toe-to-toe with their opponent or "going out on their shield" in the face of defeat. These standards, and others, are not good enough for determining the respect a fighter of Mayweather's talents should or will get. Why? Because Mayweather himself does not hold himself to same standard as other fighters in the sport, and because he doesnt, we dont either. You cant deny his talent and accomplishments, but also, you cant deny that there are key names missing from his undefeated resume. Mayweather gets much respect, but he will not get the respect that HE is looking for until he grows into the crown that HE has set for himself
 
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So you're saying Judah was ranked #2 when Mayweather fought him?! Do you have an online source or hard copy?
No faith in the naner himself? I see how it is 2-0 :(

http://www.saddoboxing.com/2659-ring-magazine-boxing-rankings.html

This is around the time that a Margarito fight was offered and declined while Margarito had a #1 welterweight ranking. The Judah fight was being hyped before his embarrassing loss to Baldomir and while he shouldn't have been ranked #2 or in the top 5 he was and the IBF made a ridiculous decision to have Judah keep their portion of the welterweight title due to Baldomir not paying sanctioning fees.

.. and I still don't think any other fight would've sold more than Hatton at the time. It was mostly hardcore fans calling for other fights. Hatton had a HUGE following (still does) and brought a lot of money with him. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.
 

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Bottom line, PBF doesn't even have to fight another fight and guess what... He's goin to the HOF on his first ballot. Please beleive it. People just want to see Mayweather go out on his shield. If Boxing is the sweet science, then who more than Mayweather shows you can fight the best in the world and make it look easy. It's noit like Mayweather runs. He stands in the middle of the ring, and they just can't hit him. Sure there are some up and coming fighters who would pose a problem for a now 31 year old fighter. In his prime, he was untouchable and deserves to have any fights he chooses. he worked his way up to where he is and will go out on his own accord unlike most fighters who get beat up and soon forgotten.
 
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Ya, he probably will go into the HOF. He's a great fighter, no doubt about it. The best of his time, era, today, etc. can very easily be argued. It's not like it's one huge conspiracy theory or every one just hates on him, every one has valid points...
 
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What he can do to earn respect? After Marquez (assuming he wins), fight the winner of the Pacquiao/Cotto fight. Then fight Shane Mosley.

Do that, and win, and he'll be viewed as a god when it's all said and done.
Exactly man... He is in a division with a lot of great fighters who would give him a much tougher fight than his last few. Just start fighting some of the big boys. The problem with fighting Marquez is that he has not fought anyone at his natural weight in like 2 years now (well maybe not that many but still its been a fucking while). If your in a division that has no one left then feel free to fight guys that are coming up. But his division is full of strong good fighters that would prove a lot more than fighting Marquez.