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Heres a video on why WE are a Republic and not a Democracy
John McManus narrates a moving tribute to America and discusses the history of what makes America great and how only we, as informed citizens, can keep the timeless concepts of Americanism alive in our
Constitutional Republic.
Part 1 covers what sets America apart from other countries and makes it the envy of the world. Learn where our American rights come from and how the founding fathers defined the proper role of government. Mr.McManus describes the birth of the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Part 2 defines the difference between a
Republic and a democracy and where each falls within a political spectrum.
Part 3 discusses the rise and fall of ancient Greek city-states and the Roman republic. Mr. McManus defines capitalism and demonstrates free enterprise.
Part 4 completes the capitalism discussion
started in Part 3 and explains differences between the monopolistic state-controlled economy and the competitive free enterprise system and how each aligns with a specific political system. Mr. McManus closes
with questions of what type of America will we leave for future generations and whether or not we will return America to its
Constitutional roots.
If you got any questions on the Constitution just ask me.
John McManus narrates a moving tribute to America and discusses the history of what makes America great and how only we, as informed citizens, can keep the timeless concepts of Americanism alive in our
Constitutional Republic.
Part 1 covers what sets America apart from other countries and makes it the envy of the world. Learn where our American rights come from and how the founding fathers defined the proper role of government. Mr.McManus describes the birth of the
Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Part 2 defines the difference between a
Republic and a democracy and where each falls within a political spectrum.
Part 3 discusses the rise and fall of ancient Greek city-states and the Roman republic. Mr. McManus defines capitalism and demonstrates free enterprise.
Part 4 completes the capitalism discussion
started in Part 3 and explains differences between the monopolistic state-controlled economy and the competitive free enterprise system and how each aligns with a specific political system. Mr. McManus closes
with questions of what type of America will we leave for future generations and whether or not we will return America to its
Constitutional roots.
If you got any questions on the Constitution just ask me.
Heres some quotes from the Founding Fathers
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."
John Adams
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin
"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces."
James Garfield, the twentieth president of the United States, 1877
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry
The videos i posted above will tell you why the Founding Fathers chose a Republic over a Democracy.
"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."
John Adams
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
Benjamin Franklin
"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces."
James Garfield, the twentieth president of the United States, 1877
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests."
Patrick Henry
The videos i posted above will tell you why the Founding Fathers chose a Republic over a Democracy.
I agree, our current government thinks they are the leaders of the world and think they can control everything in the world. This is why we have 700 bases in 130 countries to keep this hegemony.
We can get rid of the plutocracy by electing new people to congress that are for the people and not just wealth, this way we can get back to what this country was founded for a Republic.
James Garfield said it best
"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces."
We can get rid of the plutocracy by electing new people to congress that are for the people and not just wealth, this way we can get back to what this country was founded for a Republic.
James Garfield said it best
"Now more than ever before, the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness and corruption. If it be intelligent, brave and pure, it is because the people demand these high qualities to represent them in the national legislature.... If the next centennial does not find us a great nation ... it will be because those who represent the enterprise, the culture, and the morality of the nation do not aid in controlling the political forces."
Impossible.
However, here are a list of things that may be possible:
1. Having sex with Aishwarya Rai, Beyonce, Alicia Keys, Tyra Banks, Lisa Raye and Martha Stewart at the same time.
2. Waking up dead.
3. Walking to the moon.
4. Convincing God that Satan just might be a good guy.
5. Commiting suicide by simply typing, "commiting suicide."
However, here are a list of things that may be possible:
1. Having sex with Aishwarya Rai, Beyonce, Alicia Keys, Tyra Banks, Lisa Raye and Martha Stewart at the same time.
2. Waking up dead.
3. Walking to the moon.
4. Convincing God that Satan just might be a good guy.
5. Commiting suicide by simply typing, "commiting suicide."
We simply aren't talking about electing people. What you were referring to was "electing new people to congress that are for the people and not just wealth", and this is where the problem lies. How long has congress been around? How many times have those elected to congress considered the voice of the people in such a way that they went against the rest of the government and actually made a significant change? In addition, when the majority of your congress members ARE wealthy, and have substantial connections with think tank groups such as the TLC, AIPAC and CFR, how can you say they are for the people?
Refer to the last question in the paragraph I just typed.
Refer to the last question in the paragraph I just typed.
Theres people in Congress that just can't get bought by special interest. Some may do it for the wealth, some may do it for the people. But the majority are for the wealth and corruption.
What other way can corruption be taken out of congress? By electing new people to Congress that promise real change instead of the same thing.
Garbage in, Garbage out-George Carlin
Heresy you're looking at it as in theres no chance for change in the country, where there really is, look at it at other perspectives instead of just one side. There is a way. We elect them 6 years for Senate, 2 years for House. Its just majority of the people do not really know how our system works. How many of those people who vote every few years for a house and senate read the Constitution? who fuckin knows right? I'm thinkin most haven't because we have the same corruption in this country.
What other way can corruption be taken out of congress? By electing new people to Congress that promise real change instead of the same thing.
Garbage in, Garbage out-George Carlin
Heresy you're looking at it as in theres no chance for change in the country, where there really is, look at it at other perspectives instead of just one side. There is a way. We elect them 6 years for Senate, 2 years for House. Its just majority of the people do not really know how our system works. How many of those people who vote every few years for a house and senate read the Constitution? who fuckin knows right? I'm thinkin most haven't because we have the same corruption in this country.
So if the majority are for the wealth and corruption, you then have to consider the following question. How did they get there in the first place?
We've been electing new people that promise change for decades and what has happened? KEYWORD: promise.
Again, how did these people get in to begin with?
The ONLY chance of change in this country will come as a result of one or more of the following scenarios:
1. God comes to save us all (unlikely)
2. The workers in america go ape shit and revolt (possible but not in the near future.)
3. A nuclear attack that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (likely)
4. Economic collapse that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (possibly, but certain people may still be in control.)
I've looked at things from many perspectives for years now, and no matter what, the results are the same. Have you looked at things from a different perspective? If so what perspective?
Only if 1-4 happens.
Limiting the time frame is not going to solve the problem, sorry.
Is this a rhetorical or hypothetical question with some vague correlation to the position you're trying to establish? Why are you attempting to place the blame on the people? You yourself said the majority of congress are for wealth and corruption, so shouldn't they take the majority of the blame?
In short, you've lost your premise when you said the majority are for the wealthy and corruption, and you further muddled your position by implying a change of time and voter consciousness would alleviate a significant portion of the problems present within our political/government infrastructure.
We've been electing new people that promise change for decades and what has happened? KEYWORD: promise.
Again, how did these people get in to begin with?
The ONLY chance of change in this country will come as a result of one or more of the following scenarios:
1. God comes to save us all (unlikely)
2. The workers in america go ape shit and revolt (possible but not in the near future.)
3. A nuclear attack that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (likely)
4. Economic collapse that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (possibly, but certain people may still be in control.)
I've looked at things from many perspectives for years now, and no matter what, the results are the same. Have you looked at things from a different perspective? If so what perspective?
Only if 1-4 happens.
Limiting the time frame is not going to solve the problem, sorry.
Is this a rhetorical or hypothetical question with some vague correlation to the position you're trying to establish? Why are you attempting to place the blame on the people? You yourself said the majority of congress are for wealth and corruption, so shouldn't they take the majority of the blame?
In short, you've lost your premise when you said the majority are for the wealthy and corruption, and you further muddled your position by implying a change of time and voter consciousness would alleviate a significant portion of the problems present within our political/government infrastructure.
So if the majority are for the wealth and corruption, you then have to consider the following question. How did they get there in the first place?
We've been electing new people that promise change for decades and what has happened? KEYWORD: promise.
Again, how did these people get in to begin with?
The ONLY chance of change in this country will come as a result of one or more of the following scenarios:
1. God comes to save us all (unlikely)
2. The workers in america go ape shit and revolt (possible but not in the near future.)
3. A nuclear attack that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (likely)
4. Economic collapse that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (possibly, but certain people may still be in control.)
I've looked at things from many perspectives for years now, and no matter what, the results are the same. Have you looked at things from a different perspective? If so what perspective?
Only if 1-4 happens.
Limiting the time frame is not going to solve the problem, sorry.
Is this a rhetorical or hypothetical question with some vague correlation to the position you're trying to establish? Why are you attempting to place the blame on the people? You yourself said the majority of congress are for wealth and corruption, so shouldn't they take the majority of the blame?
In short, you've lost your premise when you said the majority are for the wealthy and corruption, and you further muddled your position by implying a change of time and voter consciousness would alleviate a significant portion of the problems present within our political/government infrastructure.
We've been electing new people that promise change for decades and what has happened? KEYWORD: promise.
Again, how did these people get in to begin with?
The ONLY chance of change in this country will come as a result of one or more of the following scenarios:
1. God comes to save us all (unlikely)
2. The workers in america go ape shit and revolt (possible but not in the near future.)
3. A nuclear attack that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (likely)
4. Economic collapse that 'resets' everything to an equal playing field (possibly, but certain people may still be in control.)
I've looked at things from many perspectives for years now, and no matter what, the results are the same. Have you looked at things from a different perspective? If so what perspective?
Only if 1-4 happens.
Limiting the time frame is not going to solve the problem, sorry.
Is this a rhetorical or hypothetical question with some vague correlation to the position you're trying to establish? Why are you attempting to place the blame on the people? You yourself said the majority of congress are for wealth and corruption, so shouldn't they take the majority of the blame?
In short, you've lost your premise when you said the majority are for the wealthy and corruption, and you further muddled your position by implying a change of time and voter consciousness would alleviate a significant portion of the problems present within our political/government infrastructure.
Ignorant citizens doing their homework still contributes to the problem. It contributes to the problem by sending the message that the current system is not broken or needs to be only be slightly reformed, when in reality, it needs to be completely wiped out.
There is no such thing as finding our own people to elect. Again, this system is not in need of reform, it needs to be completely abolished.
Like I said above.
Getting people politically involved in what party? What message can you possibly spread that will bring forth freedom to the people? Oh I get it, change the alloted time one is allowed a seat in congress and everything will be great. What you're suggesting is nothing more then a band-aid fix.
Casting a vote is part of the problem. Change does not come about by filling in bubbles or punching holes next to some guys name, and this false sense of empowerment is what actually keeps the majority of people in bondage.
In regards to McCain and Obama, no, they aren't going to change anything as they are actually part of the same team. In addition, they are the same as the people in congress and senate, and bow before special interest groups and big business (just like the other members of the senate and congress) so what exactly is your point here?
It doesn't work. Total removal of the system will work.
The people need to be blamed for swallowing lies that taste like gold, and the people in office need to be blamed for concocting such lunacy and peddling it as the best thing for democracy, righteousness, liberty and freedom. (All while stabbing the citizens in the back and practicing a diabolical form of Hegelian Dialectic)
The people of Nevada should be happy.
america is on it's way out. You can stick a fork in her, she's done.
There is no such thing as finding our own people to elect. Again, this system is not in need of reform, it needs to be completely abolished.
Like I said above.
Getting people politically involved in what party? What message can you possibly spread that will bring forth freedom to the people? Oh I get it, change the alloted time one is allowed a seat in congress and everything will be great. What you're suggesting is nothing more then a band-aid fix.
Casting a vote is part of the problem. Change does not come about by filling in bubbles or punching holes next to some guys name, and this false sense of empowerment is what actually keeps the majority of people in bondage.
In regards to McCain and Obama, no, they aren't going to change anything as they are actually part of the same team. In addition, they are the same as the people in congress and senate, and bow before special interest groups and big business (just like the other members of the senate and congress) so what exactly is your point here?
It doesn't work. Total removal of the system will work.
The people need to be blamed for swallowing lies that taste like gold, and the people in office need to be blamed for concocting such lunacy and peddling it as the best thing for democracy, righteousness, liberty and freedom. (All while stabbing the citizens in the back and practicing a diabolical form of Hegelian Dialectic)
The people of Nevada should be happy.
america is on it's way out. You can stick a fork in her, she's done.
You want to completely wipe out Article 1 from the Constitution?
If so, what do you want to be put in place instead?
Whatever party that works for them, I wasn't talking about anyone in specific. Just spread the message and maybe things would change. It won't be a band aid fix, it might take more than that.
This is why we are only allowed to vote for the House and Senate only to do our duties. Apparently this is not going well.
My point was that we are only left with a few choices to vote for someone in the Senate or House because the corrupt ones have money to advertise their lies. Its a lose-lose situation. :ermm:
Why?
If so, what do you want to be put in place instead?
Whatever party that works for them, I wasn't talking about anyone in specific. Just spread the message and maybe things would change. It won't be a band aid fix, it might take more than that.
This is why we are only allowed to vote for the House and Senate only to do our duties. Apparently this is not going well.
My point was that we are only left with a few choices to vote for someone in the Senate or House because the corrupt ones have money to advertise their lies. Its a lose-lose situation. :ermm:
Why?
I suggest we completely wipe out the Constitution. If this is not possible, a severe overhaul should be strongly considered. In addition, finally deciding on the 'status' of the constitution as a "living document" (or not) would help speed things up a bit. There are other ways to decide leadership and something along the lines of socialism or communism may in fact work. However, america is morally bankrupt, so there is no way a theocratic state would ever be the answer.
Ultimately, I believe each man should be accountable to his own self, and I believe voting for someone who will decide how my life will flow is a miscarriage of logic and freewill.
Whatever party works for them? Right now the two major parties are basicallyt the same thing, so what is your point? To get people involved in parties that have no say so when it comes to anything of value? No say so when it comes to lobbying? People have been spreading the message that things should/would change for CENTURIES now and how much change has happened? In short, what you're suggesting is a form of proselytizing that may actually eclipse that of religious zealots and Sony PS3 fanboys.
So how do you expect to get the corrupt ones out? By voting? The dollar is more powerful than the vote, and you just said the corrupt ones have the money to advertise their lies, so how do you expect for the 'honest guy' running for office/seat etc to combat this?
Because they now can do something more constructive with their free time.
Ultimately, I believe each man should be accountable to his own self, and I believe voting for someone who will decide how my life will flow is a miscarriage of logic and freewill.
Whatever party works for them? Right now the two major parties are basicallyt the same thing, so what is your point? To get people involved in parties that have no say so when it comes to anything of value? No say so when it comes to lobbying? People have been spreading the message that things should/would change for CENTURIES now and how much change has happened? In short, what you're suggesting is a form of proselytizing that may actually eclipse that of religious zealots and Sony PS3 fanboys.
So how do you expect to get the corrupt ones out? By voting? The dollar is more powerful than the vote, and you just said the corrupt ones have the money to advertise their lies, so how do you expect for the 'honest guy' running for office/seat etc to combat this?
Because they now can do something more constructive with their free time.
Get rid of the Constitution? This is what gives us Freedom as a country (Bill of Rights and the rest of the amendments except the 16th) even though are freedoms are getting taken away. My opinion is we have a great system, we just have to figure out how to get honest politicians into office.
As in?
It is a living document, its just some things are being put on halt which is getting me frustrated.
Even if Socialism or Communism were an option, thats just a threat to our freedoms as a country.
So you would rather have a Authoritarian (Autocracy or Oligarchy) run a country instead of the 3 powers we have? You just contradicted yourself.
The point in our System is that we elect people into office so they can make our wishes in government known. But thats not what's happening now.
Right now neo-conservatives run the Republican Party and they are doing their best to keep it that way (ie: Nevada State Convention)
If we had real Conservatives with a little Libertarian views, our country can change.
Kick those people out or vote new ones in.
Do you agree with me that everything basically changed quickly right after WW2 when the US just kept its troops in other countries and never brought them home?
We can't be an Empire and a Sovereign nation. It's a bad combo.
That's the only way, unless you want another Revolution
Trying your best to keep them running by giving them funds or by doing your own propaganda.
Wtf?
As in?
It is a living document, its just some things are being put on halt which is getting me frustrated.
Even if Socialism or Communism were an option, thats just a threat to our freedoms as a country.
So you would rather have a Authoritarian (Autocracy or Oligarchy) run a country instead of the 3 powers we have? You just contradicted yourself.
The point in our System is that we elect people into office so they can make our wishes in government known. But thats not what's happening now.
Right now neo-conservatives run the Republican Party and they are doing their best to keep it that way (ie: Nevada State Convention)
If we had real Conservatives with a little Libertarian views, our country can change.
Kick those people out or vote new ones in.
Do you agree with me that everything basically changed quickly right after WW2 when the US just kept its troops in other countries and never brought them home?
We can't be an Empire and a Sovereign nation. It's a bad combo.
That's the only way, unless you want another Revolution
Trying your best to keep them running by giving them funds or by doing your own propaganda.
Wtf?