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Oct 19, 2004
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Why your favorite Bay artist don't sell as much as they should. In light of the recent posting of soundscan and the disbelief and confusion as to the really low sales for Bay artist I decided to start this thread.

One of the main reasons I feel like a lot of bay artist aren't selling as they should especially in the Bay is because of horrible marketing and lack of promotion. Comin from a marketing background (B.S. (Bachelor of Science) in marketing and management) I feel that for the past few years the bay has been sleepin when it comes to promotion. Its like we stuck in the ice age. Its a shame when you have to join a forum just to find out when or if an album has been released. I dont know how anyone can expect to sell albums when half their target market wont even know its out until someone tells them. Cats think that just cuz they got a wrapped whip (which is ancient) and maybe a few swipes that this is all it takes. Im sorry to tell you but it takes waaaay more than that. I dont think this new era of Bay artist know how to really get out there and market an album so that there is actually a buzz/hype, anticipation and momentum leading in to the release date. Its like the Bay is still on some indy shit but forgot how to market independently. You cant do the same things a major label/artist does when promoting their album becasue they each require a whole different approach to become successful. The indy game is a whole different animal but it seems as tho this has been forgottin lately in the Bay.

I dont know who told these cats that just cause they name is Mistah FAB, Turf Talk, San Quinn, etc that they gon automatically sell out the stores and sell 50k. The shit just aint happenin.

**Side note** The albums also need to be in stores to be purchased. Spend some of that so called cheese you all got and ship enough albums to even sell 40-50k.

Foot work, grass roots and guerrilla marketing are what made the Bay what it was in the 90's. Once we get back to this I think the state of Bay sales will increase. Just my two cents. 100
 
Nov 7, 2005
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you speaking absolute truth. a lot of people feel if they do these shows which end up being all other artists and their folks and then give rick lee a copy and network with other artists, they have been 'grinding'. and no going to the club and handing out your single/mixtape is not being in 'the streets'.
 

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Sep 27, 2004
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i will tell you right now...bay rappers apeal to bay area an nor cal fans more so cuz the life they rap about is more easy to associate wit than other regions.....also, which leads to the next point.....cali is hard to live in wit income an money an shit....so cats aint tryna waste money for some slaps when....here comes point C....they can get it for free on the internet
 
May 10, 2002
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threefoe said:
**Side note** The albums also need to be in stores to be purchased. Spend some of that so called cheese you all got and ship enough albums to even sell 40-50k.

Foot work, grass roots and guerrilla marketing are what made the Bay what it was in the 90's. Once we get back to this I think the state of Bay sales will increase. Just my two cents. 100
^^^ That would be all fine and dandy if those methods were applied 5 years ago.

The "rap game" is evolved beyond benefitting from what you're offering with those suggestions. Music is now a lifestyle product; Along with ringtones, clothing lines, energy drinks, cellphones, ipods, videogames, etc... It's in need of a new approach and business model.

It's not about selling full albums anymore, unless you're a crossover pop act. It's about selling individual songs because it's easier for consumers to connect to individual songs that they like.
 
May 10, 2002
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** USA today article on rap musics decline **

Not long ago, rap dominated album sales charts. Now, the music that has been a driving creative and commercial force in American culture is struggling to get its swagger back.

The music industry is suffering across-the-board drops in CD sales, but rap is in a steeper slide: This year, rap sales are down 33% from 2006, twice the decline for the industry overall, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Five years ago, Eminem's album The Eminem Show was atop the Billboard chart, on its way to becoming the runaway best-selling album that year, with 7.6 million copies. Since then, no rap album has sold as well.

Established rap stars no longer are sure things in sales. During the past nine months, Jay-Z, Ludacris, Snoop Dogg, Diddy and Nas released albums, but only those by Jay-Z and Ludacris have sold at least 1 million copies in the USA, and only Diddy is still on the charts.

Rap's decline can be traced to a range of factors, including marketing strategies that have de-emphasized album sales in favor of selling less-lucrative single songs and short versions of those singles as ring tones for cellphones. But more important to the industry, there are signs that many music-buying Americans — particularly the young, largely white audience that can make a difference between modest and blockbuster sales — are tiring of rappers' emphasis on "gangsta" attitudes, explicit lyrics and tales of street life and conspicuous consumption.

Within the rap industry, there's a growing debate about whether years of rampant commercialism — Snoop Dogg now endorses Pony sneakers; 50 Cent peddles grape-flavored vitamin water — have drained credibility and creativity out of a once-vibrant genre of music. And there's concern that rap, also known as hip-hop, has reached an evolutionary plateau: After more than a quarter-century on the charts, it's no longer the radical newcomer.
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Rap pioneer KRS-One, who just released Hip Hop Lives with fellow legend Marley Marl, offers a blunt explanation.

"The music is garbage," he says. "What has happened over the past few years is that we have traded art for money, simple and plain, and the public is not stupid."

Chuck Creekmur, co-founder of hip-hop news website Allhiphop.com, says rap once was known for creative storytelling and clever rhymes, but now is being undermined by a lack of both.

"A lot of these albums now are looking to duplicate the success" of whatever is hot at the moment, he says. "There is a lack of variety."

An industry force no more

Whatever's causing consumers to tune out, it's clear that rap no longer dominates the music industry. In 2006, rap sold 59.1 million albums, down 21% from 2005 and 27% from 2004. Sales are trailing those for country albums (75 million) and heavy metal (61.6 million) — genres that rap formerly overshadowed.

In 2006, for the first time in five years, no rap albums were among the year's 10 biggest sellers, a list led by the soundtrack to Disney's High School Musical, which sold 3.7 million copies. Compare that with 2003, when 50 Cent's Get Rich or Die Tryin' ranked No. 1 with 6.5 million copies.

This year's top-selling albums thus far are by American Idol rocker Chris Daughtry's band and jazz chanteuse Norah Jones.

The rap industry is pinning hopes on 50 Cent's Curtis, due Sept. 4, and Kanye West's Graduation Day, expected in late August, as well as releases by Eminem and Dr. Dre that could arrive before the end of the year.

But those albums may not be enough to salvage the sales numbers for this year, and it's unclear whether 50 Cent or Eminem can match their past sales.

A genre is born

Hip-hop was born out of DJ-hosted block parties in the Bronx, N.Y., in the early 1970s and evolved with emcees "rapping" over the beats the DJs played.

The genre hit the Top 40 with the Sugar Hill Gang's Rapper's Delight in 1979.

Rap soon became, as Public Enemy's Chuck D described it, "the CNN of black culture," encompassing everything from party tales to political commentaries, especially from the view of poor and disaffected urban youths.

Rap found an audience not only in cities but in mostly white suburbs, as well.

By the 1990s, a harder-edged version of rap that glorified gang life began to dominate music and influence youth culture. Its songs and videos typically depict violence and drug dealers awash in diamonds and platinum jewelry, champagne and scantily clad women.

Rap became a multibillion-dollar-a-year global industry, influencing fashion, lifestyles and language while selling everything from SUVs to personal computers.

Rap's declining sales haven't escaped the attention of its kingpins. Declaring that hip-hop needed saving, Jay-Z ended a three-year retirement in November with his CD Kingdom Come, in which he essentially cast himself as Superman trying to save hip-hop.

A month later, Nas decried rap's lack of originality on his disc Hip HopIs Dead:

"Everybody sound the same, commercialize the game / Reminiscin' when it wasn't all business / They forgot where it started / So we all gather here for the dearly departed."

Rap may not be dead, but it's significantly weakened, in part by its own doing, music analysts say.

The industry's longtime strategy of pushing singles to sell albums has backfired in the digital age, says Felicia Palmer, president of 4Control Media and founder of the hip-hop news website SOHH.com.

Digital sales have outstripped CD sales, but not yet to a degree that compensates for the price difference between a 99-cent download and a $19.99 CD.

A just-released survey by the website found 82% of nearly 700 respondents are purchasing fewer albums than in previous years, and 67% acknowledge that they have illicitly downloaded albums rather than pay for them. One reason: 69% say they're "not inspired by many albums."

"People have gotten smart and know that (record companies) usually put out the two best singles, and the rest of the album is usually garbage," Palmer says.

Labels need to do more to help artists build their fan bases with promotional tours, which help consumers buy into the performer and not just a song, says Michael "Blue" Williams, who manages Outkast and other urban acts.

"People like hot music, but we are still not making artists who matter across the board," Williams says. "So while the labels are screaming that the sky is falling, they are trapped in their own vicious cycle of having to chase each single."

Promoting singles means getting favorable airplay, and that's more difficult now that hip-hop isn't the "only contemporary music that matters," as it was just a few years ago, says Sean Ross of Edison Media Research.

"Three years ago, you wouldn't have wanted to be a Top 40 station playing Bright Lights by (pop/rockers) Matchbox Twenty while your competitor was playing Get Low by (rapper) Lil Jon," Ross says.

"Now, Top 40 has Daughtry and Gwen Stefani, as well as a lot of quasi hip-hop from artists like Fergie and the Pussycat Dolls that, for some listeners, fill the same need as the real thing."

The real thing may no longer be real enough.

Glenn Peoples, founder and editor of music industry blog Coolfer.com, says: "A lot of people who used to listen to rap are now listening to rock. Rock is really strong right now."

'The public has made a choice'

Part of hip-hop's attraction has been the assumed authenticity of its lyrics and artists, but now, many younger listeners "believe that so much of what the mainstream (rap) industry does is orchestrated," says Bakari Kitwana, author of the books The Hip Hop Generation and Why White Kids Love Hip Hop. "I don't think they have a lot of confidence in the music the industry is producing."

For years, increasing sales of rap albums effectively muted protests about some songs' promotion of misogyny, racism and violence. Now, dwindling receipts and fading interest in rap have provided what some in the industry see as an opportunity to rethink content.

"The public has made a choice," KRS-One says. "They're saying, 'We do not want the nonsense that we see and hear on radio, and we are not putting our money there.' Rap music is being boycotted by the American public because of the images that we are putting forward."

The rising angst about rap lyrics was spotlighted this spring during the fallout over radio talk-show host Don Imus' smearing of the Rutgers University women's basketball team. Imus called team members "hos," then later noted in his defense that the word is commonly used in rap songs to describe women.

Soon after, hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons called a meeting of music industry executives. His Hip-Hop Summit Action Network later recommended that the rap industry voluntarily delete or bleep out offensive terms for broadcast.

Such efforts have drawn mixed reactions from rappers.

Master P, who built his multimillion-dollar No Limit Records empire on gangsta rap in the '90s, announced plans to start a new label, Take A Stand Records, with his son Romeo. He says he has been part of the problem and now wants to be part of the solution with clean, positive music.

That idea was derided by 50 Cent, who said he has no intention of cleaning up his lyrics.

"Music is a mirror, and hip-hop is a reflection of the environment we grew up in," he said at a news conference.

"If I ask you to paint a picture of the American flag and not use the color red, you're going to have a difficult time."

A new business model

Content questions aside, rap faces the same challenge that has alarmed much of the music industry: how to adapt to the digital revolution.

"What we have to do is figure out what the new music business is," says Kevin Liles, executive vice president of Warner Music Group, home to artists such as DJ Quik, Lil Scrappy and E-40.

"There was a time when an artist like a Jay-Z or DMX or 50 Cent would sell 4 million or 5 million CDs. But there's a new climate. Artists like Young Jeezy might sell 2 million albums, but 6 million ring tones."

Recent sales by rap star Mims reflect the problems facing the industry. His single This Is Why I'm Hot has done well this year, selling 634,000 downloads and 1.9 million ring tones, the 2007 leader in ring tones so far. But the album that contains This Is Why I'm Hot hasn't been so hot, selling only 231,000 copies. Music Is My Savior is No. 100 on Billboard's albums chart 11 weeks after its release.

Rap's early stars, from Grandmaster Flash to Public Enemy and LL Cool J, "touched on humor, politics, ghetto life and realities they faced," says music consultant Tom Vickers. "Rap has gradually degenerated from an art form into a ring tone. It's a hip catchphrase or a musical riff with a short shelf life. It has a novelty element that captures the listener's imagination, but it's not a song. It won't build a career. That's why we're seeing this backlash."

To rebound, he says, "rap has to look at the bigger issues confronting society. There's only so much bling the public can take."

The upside for rap, Kitwana says, is that so much of it "remains off the mainstream radar. You never know when hip-hop is going to reinvent itself, or when something operating out on the fringe is going to emerge and become the next new thing."
 
Oct 21, 2006
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It's all really because of the lack of music and art involved in it. How are you gonna expect to hear some true music thru a fucking cell phone? And people pay for that shit. You think you're good enough to just make one single song that'll be eaten up by a bunch of mindless drones then forgotten about in a few months if you're lucky? It doesn't have anything to do with selling singles as opposed to whole albums. Some artists have always taken that approach. There were singles put out back in the day. There was radio.

Master P shouldn't have to censor himself. If your true feelings involve curse words, fuck the FAA, RIAA, whatever. The swearing gets out of hand when it's unnecessary. Plus, Master P has paid his dues. He's made positive songs. He gives back a little to the community.



Now on to the subject matter of the content of the songs. I'm very undecided on that. Theater and acting are arts. In those situations, you pretend. You act. With rap, there's an added dimension of rap belonging to a culture, whereas other genres don't have as rich of a culture behind it.

I'll listen to some of that "kill 50 dudes with my choppa blap blap," "im pimpin even though I admit in interviews that I cant even get a dollar bill from a broad," u know all that. I cant really explain why I like it. I know it's partly to do with the beat, but I guess there's just a mood it gets u in. I don't support artists though unless they put out some true art. Good messages, good songs, you can tell they really put effort into that. You know like Mistah FAB. Half of his albums are club tracks, half or more is some real shit. I think the problems lies in the fact that people think a lotta this shit is cool, people can't differentiate reality from entertainment or whatever u wanna call it, people buy it (not only do they buy it, but a song like this will sell them on the artist. they'll like an artist based on one of these songs).

Honestly the content of songs really has me undecided. There's always been party songs. People still lied back then in their raps, though not nearly as much. Although there is a lot more rappers nowadays.