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loki

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Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked
**By Thom Hartmann
**CommonDreams.org

**Saturday 06 November 2004

**When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

**"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

**And some believe evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

**The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.

**While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios largely matched the Kerry/Bush vote, in Florida's counties using results from optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - the results seem to contain substantial anomalies.

**In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

**In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

**The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the counties where optical scanners were used. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

**Yet in the touch-screen counties, where investigators may have been more vigorously looking for such anomalies, high percentages of registered Democrats generally equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry. (I had earlier reported that county size was a variable - this turns out not to be the case. Just the use of touch-screens versus optical scanners.)

**More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://us together.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm. Note the trend line - the only variable that determines a swing toward Bush was the use of optical scan machines.

**One possible explanation for this is the "Dixiecrat" theory, that in Florida white voters (particularly the rural ones) have been registered as Democrats for years, but voting Republican since Reagan. Looking at the 2000 statistics, also available on Dopp's site, there are similar anomalies, although the trends are not as strong as in 2004. But some suggest the 2000 election may have been questionable in Florida, too.

**One of the people involved in Dopp's analysis noted that it may be possible to determine the validity of the "rural Democrat" theory by comparing Florida's white rural counties to those of Pennsylvania, another swing state but one that went for Kerry, as the exit polls there predicted. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania analysis, available at http://ustogether.org/election04/PA_vote_patt.htm, doesn't show the same kind of swings as does Florida, lending credence to the possibility of problems in Florida.

**Even more significantly, Dopp had first run the analysis while filtering out smaller (rural) counties, and still found that the only variable that accounted for a swing toward Republican voting was the use of optical-scan machines, whereas counties with touch-screen machines generally didn't swing - regardless of size.

**Others offer similar insights, based on other data. A professor at the University of Massachusetts, Amherst, noted that in Florida the vote to raise the minimum wage was approved by 72%, although Kerry got 48%. "The correlation between voting for the minimum wage increase and voting for Kerry isn't likely to be perfect," he noted, "but one would normally expect that the gap - of 1.5 million votes - to be far smaller than it was."

**While all of this may or may not be evidence of vote tampering, it again brings the nation back to the question of why several states using electronic voting machines or scanners programmed by private, for-profit corporations and often connected to modems produced votes inconsistent with exit poll numbers.

**Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

**Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.

**But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

**Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

**Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.

**"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

**He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

**Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.

**How could this happen?

**On the CNBC TV show "Topic A With Tina Brown," several months ago, Howard Dean had filled in for Tina Brown as guest host. His guest was Bev Harris, the Seattle grandmother who started www.blackboxvoting.org from her living room. Bev pointed out that regardless of how votes were tabulated (other than hand counts, only done in odd places like small towns in Vermont), the real "counting" is done by computers. Be they Diebold Opti-Scan machines, which read paper ballots filled in by pencil or ink in the voter's hand, or the scanners that read punch cards, or the machines that simply record a touch of the screen, in all cases the final tally is sent to a "central tabulator" machine.

**That central tabulator computer is a Windows-based PC.

**"In a voting system," Harris explained to Dean on national television, "you have all the different voting machines at all the different polling places, sometimes, as in a county like mine, there's a thousand polling places in a single county. All those machines feed into the one machine so it can add up all the votes. So, of course, if you were going to do something you shouldn't to a voting machine, would it be more convenient to do it to each of the 4000 machines, or just come in here and deal with all of them at once?"

**Dean nodded in rhetorical agreement, and Harris continued. "What surprises people is that the central tabulator is just a PC, like what you and I use. It's just a regular computer."

**"So," Dean said, "anybody who can hack into a PC can hack into a central tabulator?"

**Harris nodded affirmation, and pointed out how Diebold uses a program called GEMS, which fills the screen of the PC and effectively turns it into the central tabulator system. "This is the official program that the County Supervisor sees," she said, pointing to a PC that was sitting between them loaded with Diebold's software.

**Bev then had Dean open the GEMS program to see the results of a test election. They went to the screen titled "Election Summary Report" and waited a moment while the PC "adds up all the votes from all the various precincts," and then saw that in this faux election Howard Dean had 1000 votes, Lex Luthor had 500, and Tiger Woods had none. Dean was winning.

**"Of course, you can't tamper with this software," Harris noted. Diebold wrote a pretty good program.

**But, it's running on a Windows PC.

**So Harris had Dean close the Diebold GEMS software, go back to the normal Windows PC desktop, click on the "My Computer" icon, choose "Local Disk C:," open the folder titled GEMS, and open the sub-folder "LocalDB" which, Harris noted, "stands for local database, that's where they keep the votes." Harris then had Dean double-click on a file in that folder titled "Central Tabulator Votes," which caused the PC to open the vote count in a database program like Excel.

**In the "Sum of the Candidates" row of numbers, she found that in one precinct Dean had received 800 votes and Lex Luthor had gotten 400.

**"Let's just flip those," Harris said, as Dean cut and pasted the numbers from one cell into the other. "And," she added magnanimously, "let's give 100 votes to Tiger."
 

loki

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**They closed the database, went back into the official GEMS software "the legitimate way, you're the county supervisor and you're checking on the progress of your election."

**As the screen displayed the official voter tabulation, Harris said, "And you can see now that Howard Dean has only 500 votes, Lex Luthor has 900, and Tiger Woods has 100." Dean, the winner, was now the loser.

**Harris sat up a bit straighter, smiled, and said, "We just edited an election, and it took us 90 seconds."

**On live national television. (You can see the clip on www.votergate.tv.) And they had left no tracks whatsoever, Harris said, noting that it would be nearly impossible for the election software - or a County election official - to know that the vote database had been altered.

**Which brings us back to Morris and those pesky exit polls that had Karen Hughes telling George W. Bush that he'd lost the election in a landslide.

**Morris's conspiracy theory is that the exit polls "were sabotage" to cause people in the western states to not bother voting for Bush, since the networks would call the election based on the exit polls for Kerry. But the networks didn't do that, and had never intended to.

**According to congressional candidate Fisher, it makes far more sense that the exit polls were right - they weren't done on Diebold PCs - and that the vote itself was hacked.

**And not only for the presidential candidate - Jeff Fisher thinks this hit him and pretty much every other Democratic candidate for national office in the most-hacked swing states.

**So far, the only national "mainstream" media to come close to this story was Keith Olbermann on his show Friday night, November 5th, when he noted that it was curious that all the voting machine irregularities so far uncovered seem to favor Bush. In the meantime, the Washington Post and other media are now going through single-bullet-theory-like contortions to explain how the exit polls had failed.

**But I agree with Fox's Dick Morris on this one, at least in large part. Wrapping up his story for The Hill, Morris wrote in his final paragraph, "This was no mere mistake. Exit polls cannot be as wrong across the board as they were on election night. I suspect foul play."

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**Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk show. www.thomhartmann.com. His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," and "What Would Jefferson Do?: A Return To Democracy."
 
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good post BUT, things happen.

i mean take my family for example.

3 Democrats
1 Republican (me)
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4 votes for W

now days there are alote of dems that no longer vote dem.
 

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to be really honest i think kerry lost it because of the flu shot thing. when people saw him blaming bush for this they saw him, his campaign and his party for what it really was. DESPERATE TO REGAIN POWER.
 
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kerry didnt loose cause of the flu shot. Kerry lost for a number of reasons. But the main reason that I saw is that he didn't go against same sex marraige. If he did go against it you can garuntee that he would of took a mid-west state. Clinton advised him to go against the same sex marraiage but Kerry refused to.
 
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Yeah, the flu shot is kind of a ridiculous reason to blame the loss on.

BaSICCally, IMHO, if Kerry would have seriously tried to appeal to the working class of America, he would have won. If he would have promised Universal healthcare (80% of Americans want Univ. Healthcare; 45 Million are w/o healthcare), minimum wage of $10/hr., guaranteed work benefits etc., Gay Marriage would not have been an issue. BTW, Kerry does oppose Gay Marriage.
 
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IMHO? what does that mean? But yeah I agree with you that if Kerry appealed to the working class he would of won. I was at Taco Bell yesterday and I just happened to walk up when the manager and a new hire were talking about wages. The guy was like well since you have experience I am going to start you at 7.50. She all smiled and was all happy. The manager then goes yeah I don't think you should start at the bottom of the totem pole. Fuck 7.50. I would of laughed and walked out. 10 bucks would of been cool though, I would of gone for that. Fuck working at Taco Smell though. I about threw up after I ate that shit.

So if Kerry is against same sex marraiage then what is his stance on homosexuals? because I heard on the radio, conservitive host, talk about how Clinton advised him to change his views.
 
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Kerry is against same sex marriages but is not apposed to Civil Unions. Basically he believes homosexuals should have rights but thinks a marriage should be between a man and a woman.
 
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Yeah, the flu shot is kind of a ridiculous reason to blame the loss on.
it showed how desparate he was tht he would sieze on that.

2-0-Sixx said:
BaSICCally, IMHO, if Kerry would have seriously tried to appeal to the working class of America, he would have won. If he would have promised Universal healthcare (80% of Americans want Univ. Healthcare;.
can i get a reputable source that said 80% am Americans want free universal healthcare?

2-0-Sixx said:
minimum wage of $10/hr., guaranteed work benefits etc.
ya, and lose another couple of million more jobs!!! your for the working man right???? :confused:
 
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http://www.healthtogether.org/healthtogether/resources/news_universal_health.html
The Washington Post
October 19, 2003
Poll: Public Supports Health Care for All
By Will Lester

The public's growing unease with the current health care system has built support for a new approach that would mean care for all Americans...

By almost a 2-1 margin in this poll, 62 percent to 32 percent, Americans said they preferred a universal system that would provide coverage to everyone under a government program, as opposed to the current employer-based system.

That support drops significantly, however, if universal coverage would mean a limited choice of doctors or longer waits for nonemergency treatment.

When people were asked the question slightly differently in a poll a year ago, they were less enthusiastic. Asked if they wanted a taxpayer-funded, health care system run by the government, fewer than half said yes. Robert Blendon, a specialist on health care public opinion at Harvard University, said the public's worries about health care have increased this year.

"Health care is really rising as a political issue," Blendon said. "When the economy gets bad and health care costs continue to rise, this becomes an
economic issue."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data102003.html
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http://www.pnhp.org/news/2004/january/patchwork_healthcare.php
A recent poll shows 62 percent of Americans want universal single payer health care.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html
In an extensive ABCNEWS/Washington Post poll, Americans by a 2-1 margin, 62-32 percent, prefer a universal health insurance program over the current employer-based system. That support, however, is conditional: It falls to fewer than four in 10 if it means a limited choice of doctors, or waiting lists for non-emergency treatments.
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
can i get a reputable source that said 80% am Americans want free universal healthcare?
“Public opinion polls now are showing that up to 80 percent of Americans are ready for fundamental health care reform that achieves universal coverage,”
http://www.umich.edu/~urecord/0304/Jan12_04/newsupdate_uninsure.shtml

1993 to 1995 CNN/Time surveys were as high as 72% backed Universal healthcare
http://www.thinkingpeace.com/Lib/lib067.html

USA Today in 2003, had a poll that says 63%

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-10-19-health-poll_x.htm

ABC news, from a few years ago Universal coverage: 62%
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/US/healthcare031020_poll.html

Regardless of which poll you look at, 62% to 80% IS the overwhelming MAJORITY OF AMERICANS and if U.H was promised, this would have appealed to millions of people across america and boosted support for Kerry. Plain and simple.


ya, and lose another couple of million more jobs!!! your for the working man right???? :confused:
“Severely punish any company involved in outsourcing jobs,” could have been a simple and HIGHLY popular solution Kerry could have promised.

The average American views big corporations very negatively. Kerry did little or nothing to capitalize on this fact.
 
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2-0-Sixx said:
“Severely punish any company involved in outsourcing jobs,” could have been a simple and HIGHLY popular solution Kerry could have promised.

The average American views big corporations very negatively. Kerry did little or nothing to capitalize on this fact.
what are you talking about??? that was one of Kerry main rants. outsourcing of jobs
 
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Yea Kerry should have just promised everything everyone wanted to hear. Not that he had to follow through or anything once he was elected. Bush sure doesn't seem to mind forgetting promises.