Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?

[HERESY]

Right but you see my point though. If Armstrong is weighing in at 135 and beating welterweights what the fuck does that say about Armstrong at 135!?!



Well right, I was comparing Pac's 130 run to Duran's 135 run (since obviously Pac only fought once there). The reason is somehow this thread turned into comparing Duran & Pac lol (which I don't really see a comparison as far as fighting style, they both moved up a lot of weight successfully and were both awesome legendary fighters, but style wise I don't see it).

It started because uglynigga said something about Duran and Leonard. Coach said no way and then you know me, opening up my big mouth, lol. But bro, watch the fights I told coach to watch. There are so many similarities between the two that it's strange that people are just now, within the past couple of years, comparing their styles. Again, the feints, the how they slip, how they set up for counters, how they corner, combo punching, it's there. The main thing though and you don't see this with a lot of boxer-puncher types is that seamless transition from defense to offense and vice versa. Floyd does it a little bit, Tyson did it A LOT (and I also have a prime Tyson as one of the best defensive fighters ever) Lewis did it and Holmes did as well. But when you watch Pac and Duran make those transitions it's like watching the same guy.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

You misunderstood my point. Coach said they had something in common in being knocked out cold at welterweight. I was pointing out that his KO loss wasn't at welterweight.

Fair enough.

As for Tito, again, the guy did not belong in the weight class and he certainly didn't need to be fighting a guy who is basically a light heavy that built his career at a lower weight. AnywY, we will NEVER agree on this, lol.

TITO WAS A MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION AND IN HIS PRIME 40-0 POUND 4 POUND #1 JUST DESTROYED JOPPY AT 160!

And that's the last I'll ever speak about it with you! haha

60 fights compared to Duran's 80+ at the time he was knocked out? The point is, again, Duran wasn't knocked out at various stages. And again, I don't hold those two against Pac like I don't hold the Bradley loss against him. And when it comes to Duran, I don't hold his losses to the other members of the "great four" against him.

60 & 80 are both a lot of fights. Duran was 33 when he got KO'd by Hearns and Pacquiao was 34. Nearly identical in age. Historically that is the age smaller fighters drop off, if not a bit sooner.

He butchered those two guys and let's not forget his first title win which was total destruction. And again, these were lightweight fights. Like naner pointed out, those fights weren't contested at lightweight.

I know he whooped them but are they AMAZING wins? Amazing to me is Duran beating Leonard, who was obviously faaaaaaaaaar superior to Buchanan and DeJesus, they aren't even in the same ballpark. Great wins yes. Like I said if we're comparing the two, I see how Pac's wins over the big three (Barrera, Morales & JMM) better. So if they were to meet up at 135 in this fantasy match, those wins from Pac should be highly considered. As for the match up, I think it's pretty even and tough to say. Pac's speed, angles and explosive power, versus Duran's relentless attack. Impossible to say but guaranteed it would be one of the greatest fights of all time. Fuck imagine for a moment, seriously imagine a prime Pac vs a prime Duran. What I'd give to see that!

You got a case there. I think Duran's pressure would be a bit too much but then I'm thinking about Sweet Pea's defense. Like I said you got a case here.

Look how foolish Whitaker made the great Chavez Sr. look. Embarrassed him. Now of course, pound 4 pound Duran was better than Chavez, still though...fucking matrix defense. I'm sure Armstrong vs Duran would be a pick 'em as well.

To switch it a little bit. How about Duran vs Mayweather? One of the biggest arguments for Duran being able to beat Floyd would be Castillo vs Floyd I at 135. Just goes to show how much "styles make fights" really is the truest statement in boxing.

 

[Coach E. No]

I kinda discredit Pacquiao's wins against Morales. Morales was in a serious slide and had been in so many wars at that point. It's still impressive to beat him and to be the first guy to stop him. It's kinda odd, Morales caused his own loss to Pacquiao in a way by negotiating the Winning gloves for the first fight and going toe to toe as a southpaw in the 12th round. He went into the 2nd fight thinking he couldn't be hurt and was gonna walk through Pacquiao and obviously didn't.

Pac's best win was against Barrera at 126 (I believe?) and Marquez at 126 as well even though it was officially a draw, he should've narrowly won by the judges mistake of tallying up the scorecards. By the time he beat Barrera the 2nd time at 130, Barrera was pretty much done too. Pacquiao was really only getting better by the time he got to 130, and I think he was his best starting at 135 to his next few fights against DLH, Hatton and Cotto.

I have said for a long time, if Floyd never fought above 135, he likely would've gone down as the runaway best fighter of his generation. He could've notched wins against Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Pacquiao, Corrales, Castillo, etc... Thought Castillo probably should've won that first fight, he was kinda untouchable at the lower weights. He embarrassed Corrales which is no easy feat. I like his chances against anyone at 135 in history, but if I had to pick, I'd still pick Duran over him, Chavez, M. Taylor, and maybe Whitaker. People also forget that Mosley was a sick lightweight. That would've been an amazing fight.

 

[Coach E. No]

Like I said if we're comparing the two, I see how Pac's wins over the big three (Barrera, Morales & JMM) better. So if they were to meet up at 135 in this fantasy match, those wins from Pac should be highly considered. As for the match up, I think it's pretty even and tough to say. Pac's speed, angles and explosive power, versus Duran's relentless attack. Impossible to say but guaranteed it would be one of the greatest fights of all time. Fuck imagine for a moment, seriously imagine a prime Pac vs a prime Duran. What I'd give to see that!

That was one of my original points. That's an amazing fight on paper, maybe among the best fights you could possibly make, all time.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

It started because uglynigga said something about Duran and Leonard. Coach said no way and then you know me, opening up my big mouth, lol. But bro, watch the fights I told coach to watch. There are so many similarities between the two that it's strange that people are just now, within the past couple of years, comparing their styles. Again, the feints, the how they slip, how they set up for counters, how they corner, combo punching, it's there. The main thing though and you don't see this with a lot of boxer-puncher types is that seamless transition from defense to offense and vice versa. Floyd does it a little bit, Tyson did it A LOT (and I also have a prime Tyson as one of the best defensive fighters ever) Lewis did it and Holmes did as well. But when you watch Pac and Duran make those transitions it's like watching the same guy.

I see what you're saying. In that sense there are some similarities. When Duran stays on the outside and attacks and goes back, that is like Pacquiao. Obviously the difference is Duran liked to go on the inside a lot, whereas Pac pretty much maintains this throughout the whole fight.

 

[Coach E. No]

Duran was sick. That's all I can really say about it.

Duran vs. Chavez at 135 would be amazing too.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Looks like it's out of the Fighters hands at this point. From The Ring:

Among the major stalling points is HBO’s insistence on being able to show the rebroadcast of the pay-per-view event, according to a report by Yahoo!Sports. In the case of Lewis-Tyson, HBO showed the replay as a result of being the network representing the winner, Lewis.

 

[HERESY]

Whoever wins, his network should have rights. If not, show it exclusively on the winners network for a timed period and then both networks get the fight after the period is up. They can work this out but this is a problem with boxing. No one should be signing a fuckng deal with a fucking network.

 

[JLMACN]

I hope this happens.

Even though they are both past their prime, this would be great for boxing fans.

 

[Lamberto Quintero]

Even though he died young, Sal Sanchez would have given anyone a run for their money. Dude was non stop pressure and was lanky as fuck, technical and had a helluva chin. Plus the heart of a warrior. Not your typical Mexican fighter like Chavez, this guy had the skills to pay the bills and the work ethic to always be in elite shape. Too bad he tragically died.

 

[Coach E. No]

Whoever wins, his network should have rights. If not, show it exclusively on the winners network for a timed period and then both networks get the fight after the period is up. They can work this out but this is a problem with boxing. No one should be signing a fuckng deal with a fucking network.

I agree, but HBO negotiated that last time because Lewis was a massive favorite. They aren't willing to do that this time because Floyd is the favorite. Not to mention, last time it was Greenburg and this time it's Hershman leading HBO, so who knows how much more difficult he is to deal with on this stuff? Mark Taffet was there for Tyson/Lewis I believe and he's still there for HBO and that dude is a brilliant businessman, so we'll see I guess. I like the idea that both sides would have the rights to the replay, but I don't think HBO is even willing to budge on that from what I read.

 

[battle619]

The advantage that HBO has tho is that Showtime is losing money with Floyd. With no Manny, who will showtime have Floyd fight? HBO will just send Manny to China and not lose any money and start taking over the 140 lbs division. Meanwhile, Showtime has two fights left with Floyd and need to cashout quick.

 

[HERESY]

The advantage that HBO has tho is that Showtime is losing money with Floyd. With no Manny, who will showtime have Floyd fight? HBO will just send Manny to China and not lose any money and start taking over the 140 lbs division. Meanwhile, Showtime has two fights left with Floyd and need to cashout quick.

Huh?

 

[battle619]

HBO has leverage

 

[T-Rip]

HBO has leverage

no they dont jerkoff. While everyone else was watching the Superbowl your making up bullshit cuz of a bias point of view. Is it so hard to post when you have facts to back up your argument?

 

[battle619]

If HBO doesn't have leverage then why is CBS talking to HBO and TR? And if the fight doesn't happen, who will you blame next? HBO doesn't even have any fights scheduled these upcoming months but a Mayweather ppv, that's it! Now with everyone on board, it's really up to Floyd. And the fight is not going to happen

 

[HERESY]

If HBO doesn't have leverage then why is CBS talking to HBO and TR? And if the fight doesn't happen, who will you blame next? HBO doesn't even have any fights scheduled these upcoming months but a Mayweather ppv, that's it! Now with everyone on board, it's really up to Floyd. And the fight is not going to happen

CBS is talking to HBO and TR because Showtime is owned by CBS and TR fights on HBO.

HBO doesn't have any fights scheduled this month but a Mayweather ppv? What narcotic is racing through your system right now? Put that shit down, asap.

 

[battle619]

I meant showtime, you know what I mean! Anyways, yeah...

 

[HERESY]

I meant showtime, you know what I mean! Anyways, yeah...

Man what the fuck are you talking about? There is a showtime card on the 20th of this month, one on the 13th of March and one on April 4th. And HBO has a ton of fights coming up.

What the fuck are you on, battle? You are saying some mind warping shit, breh.

 

[battle619]

And who the fuck is fighting? Damn, you putting me up on game and you're not even cpying or pasting?