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Lamberto Quintero

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Today is the 43rd Anniversary of the death of El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz...

Pay respects to the man and talk about how he influenced your life in any way...





To me, he is one of the most influential people of all times and has been ever since I was very young and chose to make his autobiography the first "real" book I ever read. Reading that book completely changed my life and I consider it my first real dosage of intellectual reality...
 
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So you're familiar with the "inaccuracies" of the book then?

Malcolm X was more influential on people/groups that influenced me than he was on me specifically.

He was a fantastic orator and is quite enjoyable to listen to.
 
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Alex Haley is accused by some of working with the FBI while writing the book. There are a rumored three "missing" or "unpublished" chapters of the book.

Some historians as well as the NOI and Malcolm X's family have said that parts are factually inaccurate or misleading and that parts of the story were changed and/or fictionalized.




Though I still enjoyed the book. Found it an easy read and one I didn't want to stop reading. And would never deny its influence.
 
Lamberto Quintero

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ColdBlooded said:
Alex Haley is accused by some of working with the FBI while writing the book. There are a rumored three "missing" or "unpublished" chapters of the book.

Some historians as well as the NOI and Malcolm X's family have said that parts are factually inaccurate or misleading and that parts of the story were changed and/or fictionalized.




Though I still enjoyed the book. Found it an easy read and one I didn't want to stop reading. And would never deny its influence.
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That's crazy I've never heard of that. Although I enjoyed the book, it was the life he led that influenced me the most and not necessarily the book itself...
 
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The article insinuates it through the whole thing. Your added comment adds to it.

I disagree with casting some socialist net and co-opting Malcolm and MLK because of their race and popularity.

Economics nor class were ever a cornerstone for either.
 
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It was never important to their popularity nor the movements they built. Out of the years of quotables they dropped this was little to nothing. Nor do I believe had they lived would anti-capitalism have been more important for them as it runs contrary to the religious foundations of their movements.

I think this type of stuff has gone on long enough with left trying to co-opt both of them for some kind of gain. I think it is a disservice to both of their legacies and doesn’t do anything to build support for the left.
 
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seriously, you should stfu sometimes.

The article never says they were socialists, but suggests that both men were moving more and more to the left towards the end of their lives, which is especially true with Malcolm x (countless anti-capitalist comments in the last year or so of his life, and he made the very important link that the problems were "class issues").

The article never suggests they would have become socialists either or anything else, it simply shows that both men, towards the end of their lives, were making important links and starting to understand the true causes of the problems they faced ("you cant have capitalism without racism", etc.), which was much more of a threat than peaceful marches or black nationalism or whatever, to the powers that be.
 
Lamberto Quintero

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2-0-Sixx said:
seriously, you should stfu sometimes.

The article never says they were socialists, but suggests that both men were moving more and more to the left towards the end of their lives, which is especially true with Malcolm x (countless anti-capitalist comments in the last year or so of his life, and he made the very important link that the problems were "class issues").

The article never suggests they would have become socialists either or anything else, it simply shows that both men, towards the end of their lives, were making important links and starting to understand the true causes of the problems they faced ("you cant have capitalism without racism", etc.), which was much more of a threat than peaceful marches or black nationalism or whatever, to the powers that be.
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I agree. Both of the men were realizing towards the end of their lives that race was only a part of a bigger problem. CB, there is enough evidence in both MLK and Malcom's speeches towards the end of their lives to prove this...
 
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