This man should be treated as a hero, he didnt have to do this. Everybody wants to crucify him instead, bunch of fucking nationalist bowing to their republic, this guy that works for the nsa can spy on anybody including the president. These secretive bastards run the country not polititians. Its becoming even more clear everything we have known all along.
Does Edward Snowden even exist?
- Thread starter Rasan
- Start date
The absolutely amazing thing in the whole story is the suicidal behavior of the media.
To have public officials call for the prosecution of journalists
and instead of making a huge scandal out of that, to instead parrot the same line:
I simply couldn't believe that when I saw it.
This is not a society on its way to totalitarianism, it is a society that has already become a totalitarian one...
To have public officials call for the prosecution of journalists
and instead of making a huge scandal out of that, to instead parrot the same line:
I simply couldn't believe that when I saw it.
This is not a society on its way to totalitarianism, it is a society that has already become a totalitarian one...
im sure its in every device we own..but now we were made aware of it
not a good look for microsoft though as they're already under the publics watch
not a good look for microsoft though as they're already under the publics watch
Props:
short and short
Lol at thinking getting rid of Obama will fix things. We're all fucked it's too late and Americans have lost their backbone. We won't stand up for what's right and fight for our liberties and rights like in brazil or turkey. We are too busy listening to music, watching sports and tv shows to know the real issues
You can just as well say that the mafia is the government in the areas where the government does not have power.
The two things have always been linked - our current government system traces its roots to the feudal system that arose after the collapse of the Roman Empire. And that was classic mafia-type of system - those who managed to dominate others through violence extracted tribute from them. With time they stopped using violence and became the aristocracy and wrote the laws so that they suit them. Over the last several centuries, especially the last 150 years, those laws have been revised and a lot of concessions have been made to the masses. But this has always been done to stave off a mass uprising, not because the thinking really changed much, and it has been possible to do so because the pie has been expanding thanks to our unsustainable exploitation of natural resources. Unfortunately, that unsustainability has now caught up with us and the pie is not only not growing anymore but is starting to shrink. And those concessions are gradually being rolled back as a direct result of that.
The two things have always been linked - our current government system traces its roots to the feudal system that arose after the collapse of the Roman Empire. And that was classic mafia-type of system - those who managed to dominate others through violence extracted tribute from them. With time they stopped using violence and became the aristocracy and wrote the laws so that they suit them. Over the last several centuries, especially the last 150 years, those laws have been revised and a lot of concessions have been made to the masses. But this has always been done to stave off a mass uprising, not because the thinking really changed much, and it has been possible to do so because the pie has been expanding thanks to our unsustainable exploitation of natural resources. Unfortunately, that unsustainability has now caught up with us and the pie is not only not growing anymore but is starting to shrink. And those concessions are gradually being rolled back as a direct result of that.
It's one of the great mysteries of our time what Obama really thinks. Senator Obama and presidential candidate Obama was firmly and openly opposed to the very same things president Obama has embraced.
So was it that he was hypocritical before, that he changed his mind after he took office due to the information he got access to, that he changed his mind because he was persuaded by his staff and the military-industrial complex, or that he hasn't changed his mind but is doing these things because he does not actually have the power to change anything?
I would very much like to know the answer because that answer will tell us a lot about what kind of change is possible and what is not, and how much we're fucked.
P.S. The Arab Spring, OWS, all the demonstrations you're seeing in various European countries, Brazil, Turkey, etc. are not the result of people wanting freedom. With the exception of the US, all of these places have been getting more free with time, not more oppressive. What has changed is that people are either being squeezed economically (Arab Spring, OWS, Europe) or have stopped seeing much hope that they will be better of in the future than they are now (Brazil, Turkey). This is a direct result of the unsustainability of our economic system which is now hitting the limits to growth and cannot grow anymore as a result.
Generally people care about putting food on the table first and freedom second. Before 1989, the country I am from happened to have one of the more open-minded and straight-talking dictators the world has ever seen and he stated it very clearly in a legendary speech: "Freedom? The people understand freedom and sovereignty as having enough to eat and living well". It's 100% true.
So was it that he was hypocritical before, that he changed his mind after he took office due to the information he got access to, that he changed his mind because he was persuaded by his staff and the military-industrial complex, or that he hasn't changed his mind but is doing these things because he does not actually have the power to change anything?
I would very much like to know the answer because that answer will tell us a lot about what kind of change is possible and what is not, and how much we're fucked.
P.S. The Arab Spring, OWS, all the demonstrations you're seeing in various European countries, Brazil, Turkey, etc. are not the result of people wanting freedom. With the exception of the US, all of these places have been getting more free with time, not more oppressive. What has changed is that people are either being squeezed economically (Arab Spring, OWS, Europe) or have stopped seeing much hope that they will be better of in the future than they are now (Brazil, Turkey). This is a direct result of the unsustainability of our economic system which is now hitting the limits to growth and cannot grow anymore as a result.
Generally people care about putting food on the table first and freedom second. Before 1989, the country I am from happened to have one of the more open-minded and straight-talking dictators the world has ever seen and he stated it very clearly in a legendary speech: "Freedom? The people understand freedom and sovereignty as having enough to eat and living well". It's 100% true.
