since the couture/toney fight been hearing alot about this but isnt there no point to even debate? i mean MMA is EVERYTHING including boxing, werestling etc. that would be like saying jujitsu vs mma or wrestling vs mma. i mean yeah there are better boxers n boxing than mma but that goes the same for theres better blackbelts in jujitsu that would never make it big in mma like ronnie yaya or however you spell it. the point i'm trying to make is i dont think its even comparable considerinG UFC is Mixed and in that mix boxing is involved.