Boxing schedule for the month of March

[2-0-Sixx]

Of course they were shot, but either way, to have that many on your resume in any capacity is impressive no matter how you slice it. Even if you take Mosley and DLH off, that's still 5. That's a grip!

Oscar had only been a part time fighter at that point anyways. He had pretty lengthy periods of inactivity. He had a really long period off before the vargas fight and had several stints of over a year of inactivity. He was probably too busy with fishnets or something. Winky is the dumbest business man ever. I think he's just stupid, I don't give BHOP credit for that. Allegedly, Tito tried time and time again for a BHOP rematch and couldn't get it so he took time off. Much like Hagler who was upset with the Leonard situation. He obviously came back later for a little bit. He did that again to fight Jones after retiring a 2nd time. Calzaghe had been talking about retirement. He beat the 2 guys he wanted to fight and said time and again he didn't want to fight the younger guns at 175. I think mentally he was done with the game, maybe I'm wrong. He wanted a couple money fights and he was out. Not to mention, he beat Bhop, like it or not.

Trinidad obviously didn't deserve a rematch after that beating since it would have been pointless. Hopkins told Tito & King right away there would be no rematch and that was the end of that. What was clear though was Tito was never the same after that fight.

Not sure why you bring up Calzaghe, I never said he retired because of Hopkins, I was saying Hopkins has a history of ruining fighters, which he does. Not everyone obviously that's impossible (Roy Jones, Glen Johnson despite suffering his only TKO loss went on to be great, etc.). Hopkins tried to rematch Calzaghe too, offered to fight for less money and in Wales, Joe said no and Hops moved on. No big deal.

Calzaghe can have that win on paper but his legacy is pretty much crap. 38 or so bums, jeff lacy, kessler (good win), disputed win over 43 year old hopkins (good win in the crappiest way possible because of how bad he looked) and walking dead roy jones. Good fighter, massive under achiever, terribly scared of taking risks.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

yeah, he seems to be all about money right now. Can't blame him I guess. He missed all his opportunities for money by fighting in obscurity for so long. I'd love to see all those fights or a tournament at MW

Yeah, I really wish Chavez was out of the picture I don't want to see a rematch. I hate this Martin Murray fight too coming up but it's in Argentina and I guess it's sold $5 million at the gate, which is only a little less than Pacquiao-Margarito. I think 20,000 or more, huge event down there so it's whatever, a nice home coming party so to speak. Hopefully Chavez gets fat and moves up in weight and Martinez will have to fight Golovkin or at least Kid Chocolate.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Yeah, I don't know what he was in tears about after the Chavez fight. If it was a realization of a dream to have that much of a following or almost losing it all after talking so much crap. But it seemed to really mean a lot to him that Argentinians showed up in a major way. I was actually shocked by that. There was no talk about the Argentinians in Vegas that week and seemed like his only fans were Mexican ironically.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

The major thing with the Trinidad fight was the events of 9/11. Granted, they both had to maintain their weight around 160 for 2 more weeks. Tito stopped training in that 2 week break after 9/11 happened and stayed in NY and spent his days walking around NYC where he had a huge following and talking and hugging people like he was the mayor. I still think he would've lost but this was obviously a really odd event at a really weird period in American history. Maybe he would've at least fared a little better, he felt like he was cheated a bit and desperately wanted the rematch because of it regardless of how he lost the first fight. None of that really matters now I guess.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

c'mon, 9/11 now? Hopkins went in there with 20,000 Tito fans going crazy, completely unfazed and beat his ass. Anything else is pure speculation (like you bringing up the Rocky movie for Tarver!). We can speculate that maybe Tito didn't have enough power because Nazim caught him trying to put an illegal amount of tape on his knuckles before the fight and had to re-wrap his hands. But that's not fair is it. All we can do is go by what we saw in the ring, anything else is excuses. Tito had 20,000 fans, Hopkins went into hostile territory, beat his ass and by the end of the fight people were chanting "B-hop, B-hop!". That's some real Rocky IV shit right there.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

How is losing 45+ lbs, a lot of that muscle, speculation???? Really???? Why is that a viable reason for RJJ to lose his awesome reflexes and ability but it's not for Tarver? Tarver put on way more weight and had to lose way more than RJJ did. I don't even think 20k fans fit in to MSG by the way. I was there for a sellout for Tito/Mayorga and i'm pretty sure it was under 20k. Most boxing venues do not. Thomas and Mack is one of the larger places boxing is regularly held and only exceed 20k for Chavez/Martinez for the first time in history if I'm not mistaken.

And yes, it's not speculation about the 9/11 thing. It was well documented leading into the fight and talked about even going in to the fight by the HBO crew, even during the ring walks. I said I thought Bhop would win anyways because of the style match up. And you make it seem like everyone in the crowd was chanting for Bhop like it was Rocky IV, which is so far from the truth. It was quiet obviously after that fight (which might be better in Bhop's favor that he shut that crowd up). Bhop was trying to get a U-S-A chant going and basically no one joined in, not even ringside at a time when people were chanting U-S-A for no reason all around NY for months after 9-11. They weren't chanting bhop like you make it seem they were

 

[2-0-Sixx]

That RJJ shit is overblown. People act like he lost that weight then immediately got KO'd by Tarver. No, he actually fought and beat Tarver by decision after fighting Ruiz. Then they rematched 6 months later and Tarver knocked him out. The truth is RJJ started losing his reflexes before the Ruiz fight, you could see the decline. He was 35 years old when he got sparked. That's not much different than Pacquiao getting sparked at 34, we all saw Pac in a decline before JMM put him out.

Tarver himself said it was no problem losing weight:

"Part of our job," Tarver said about making weight. "I mean, we've got to lose weight. We all lose weight. That's not a problem. Only people like Roy Jones make excuses."

I'm in great shape, unbelievable condition. The thing about this, that people fail to realize, is that I've been training since the middle of October. Do you think I was sitting around eating donuts out there with Sylvester Stallone? I was working out with one of the most revered trainers on the West Coast, Gunner Peterson, and we worked hard. We worked hard to put on the muscles. We lifted weights, we did exercises, we worked. And so, that's the key that people are going to fail to realize. I've been training since the middle of October for this fight."​

Man, you nitckpick so much now nitpicking if the crowd was chanting "bhop"?? Yes, there were people chanting bhop. I have the fight on DVD. Obviously not the entire crowd, no the rest were crying tears that their idol Tito was being humiliated before their eyes by the man that threw down the Puerto Rican flag on their Island and gave rice & beans to Papi Trindad at the presser. It was one of the saddest days in Peurto Rican boxing history!

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Does ANY fighter enter a fight giving interviews say "man, I should've been training harder for this fight but we'll see what happens?" No, how many times do you hear the same fighters say they are "in the best shape of their careers" fight after fight after fight?

Either way, I think everything that can be said will be said about it. We've talked about it before and I know you'll never waver from your stance on it. It is what it is. Out of curiosity, where do you rank him all time? I'll be the first to admit that I don't even dare make an "all time" list, I simply don't know enough about the fighters of the past so I don't even bother to pretend I know how good Jack Johnson was and fighters of the like.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Like my man naner says, we can only go by what we see in the ring. Everything else is speculation or excuses.

Don't you find it odd, that in just about all of Hopkins fights the opponent just so happens to have the worst fight of their careers? Trinidad, Oscar, Tarver, Pavlik, Glenn Johnson, Echols, etc. At some point one has to realize its Hopkins that's making them look bad, not weight or being drugged which was Tarvers original excuse. Even the guys that win like Cakzaghe had the worst fight of his career.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Ruslan ia fucking up Bradley after two this is amazing!

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Bradley taking control now in round 5. Bradley was badly hurt in rounds 1 and 2 but recovered since.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Bradley hurt badly goes down in round 12 but gets up at the bell. Wow great fight. Bradley just barely escaped a decision. If the ref would have called the knock down in round one a knock down Ruslan would have win. Crazy

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Fight of the year so far

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

Ya, definitely fight of the year so far.
Bradley did really well.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I wouldn't call that doing very well. Very entertaining hell yeah but he nearly lost, was dropped and nearly KOd. Here is my card

10-9 Ruslan
10-8 Ruslan
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Ruslan
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Bradley
10-9 Ruslan
10-8 Ruslan

Ruslan 113 Bradley 113

1st round should have been a 10-8 but the ref incorrectly ruled a slip when Bradley went down cuz he was hurt, a bit of a delayed reaction. You know this because Bradley tried to stand up and fell backwards onto his back. Rubber legs.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Where Chris at?? I know he's a big Ruslan fan gotta be proud of his

 

[Rumpelstiltskin]

I think he did well 3 through 11.
Plus the fact he was able to fight the way he did after the first 2 rounds.
It wasn't a come from behind win, but he turned it around as well as you can.

Did well, as in being able to re-coup, make adjustments, keep his work rate up, etc.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I thought he fought reckless and very dumb. Clearly when he boxed and jabbed he was in control. But then he tried to trade with Ruslan and kept getting hurt. Great for us fans but he took some real damage and if he suffered a concussion he may want to sit out for a while.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Man, I missed this fight actually. I used to work for the cable company and had all the premiums for free. I don't even have cable anymore. I order the fights from an off shore site and had to compromise with the wifey because there are so many fights coming up that I want to watch so had to skip last night cause I watched BHOP last week. Major fail on my part.

I actually though Bradley was going to fight to make this boring but before the fight I realized that Provodnikov might be stronger at 147 than 140 and Bradleys punches probably wouldn't be able to keep him off. Provodnikov does cut the ring off pretty well at times so if he did, Bradley was in trouble. I texted my friend before it started and said it's either gonna be a war or Bradley is gonna make it boring. I suck for missing this fight.

 

[CHRISHOGGALYPSE]

Like my man naner says, we can only go by what we see in the ring. Everything else is speculation or excuses.

Don't you find it odd, that in just about all of Hopkins fights the opponent just so happens to have the worst fight of their careers? Trinidad, Oscar, Tarver, Pavlik, Glenn Johnson, Echols, etc. At some point one has to realize its Hopkins that's making them look bad, not weight or being drugged which was Tarvers original excuse. Even the guys that win like Cakzaghe had the worst fight of his career.

I do realize that. I actually have always hated Tarver and was elated that he lost BUT he was never really the same when he came back down in weight. His punches didn't have much zip anymore and it's not like he took a huge beating from BHOP to lose that much of a step. Calzaghe was going to have a tough time no matter what in that fight, he dominates fighters with poor footwork, bhop obviously has great footwork. Oscar was doing really well early, like first 6 rounds (obviously bhop was a notoriously slow started but still...) and bhop was coming on but hit him with the perfect shot. I actually think bhop throws the single best liver shot in the game, absolutely PERFECT form and footwork on it, just doesn't do it often enough