Boxing schedule for the month of June

[2-0-Sixx]

Exactly.

50 has got him two fights in two years, Darleys Perez and Crawford, both high risk low reward and both Top Rank fighters. So Gamboa left Top Rank, only for his upcoming fights to be promoted by Top Rank. 50 paid over a million dollars to Top Rank to buy out his contract, only to fight on Top Rank cards, that is not what I would call a good business decision.

There is no doubt in my mind Gamboa would have beat Rios. That would have put him top ten pound 4 pound at the time and opened up even more doors. But instead, he fought two risky fights and after tonight, he's going to really have to rebuild. It was a bad decision on his part.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Again, blame Gamboa. If Floyd and 50 were in his ear he should have waited until they had all their paperwork straight and then he should have signed. He didn't do his homework, but still, he is in a better position now then he was years ago and he didn't seize it.



Blame Gamboa for that.



He got him a match with a champion and it was televised on HBO. That is better than fighting a tomato can on Real Fights.

I am blaming Gamboa. What did I say? I said the worst decision of his career was going to 135 and singing with 50.

He was constantly on HBO with Top Rank, he was becoming one of HBOs main stars.

 

[HERESY]

50 cent has basically tanked Gamboa's career man. If he didn't sign with him, we would've had Rios/Gamboa which on paper, is a much better fight than the one we saw tonight, and likely would've made him more money. He's also only fought twice since like 2011.

I totally disagree and you can't blame the inactivity on 50. They probably had numerous fights lined up, people probably ducked, money wasn't right, etc.

Boxing just doesn't work like that man. Certain promoters have strangle hold over networks and in turn control most of the big fights that take place. Make no mistake this card tonight had nothing to do with 50 Cent, this was a Top Rank promotions card but on by them, simple as that. I'm not an Arum supporter but Gamboa is known to be a hard guy to work with, just look at how many trainers he went through. Bob had him steadily on HBO and had his career going in the right direction with a Rios fight looming.

And a Crawford fight wasn't a chance to capitalize and make something happen? The guy wasn't even ranked in the top 5 by the WBO, gets a title shot and then tanks. That is on him. Now I am not saying the Rios fight was the wrong fight, but you can't blame anyone except for Gamboa for stopping that. He put the brakes on it. No one forced him to do it. And Bob most likely had him set up for rape, don't tell me shit about what Bob was doing.

50 Cent hasn't gotten anyone that didn't know who Gamboa was to know about Gamboa. Gamboa signed with a guy that apparently had no major network contacts and it hurt his career.

Yes he has. He is known as "50 Cents fighter" and that is what people see.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

50 cent just isn't established yet. Look at his fighters:

Gamboa
James Kirkland (MIA)
Andre Dirrell (MIA)
Billy Dib
Couple young guys

All of 50s fights so far he's had to co-promote with bigger promoters, like Top Rank and DiBella. So it's not a smart move for Gamboa who was already well established to sign with a guy who had no experience. I'm sure Gamboa thought 50 and Mayweather were going to be partners and take over boxing and was sweet talked into signing, he was naive.

 

[HERESY]

Exactly.

50 has got him two fights in two years, Darleys Perez and Crawford, both high risk low reward and both Top Rank fighters. So Gamboa left Top Rank, only for his upcoming fights to be promoted by Top Rank. 50 paid over a million dollars to Top Rank to buy out his contract, only to fight on Top Rank cards, that is not what I would call a good business decision.

There is no doubt in my mind Gamboa would have beat Rios. That would have put him top ten pound 4 pound at the time and opened up even more doors. But instead, he fought two risky fights and after tonight, he's going to really have to rebuild. It was a bad decision on his part.

If he had won tonight that would have shot him up near the top and placed him on a couple of more lists. He failed. And, like I said earlier, he had fights lined up but the money wasn't right or something happened. What happened with Mikey Garcia? What happend when Bob Arum had his final say?

I am blaming Gamboa. What did I say? I said the worst decision of his career was going to 135 and singing with 50.

He was constantly on HBO with Top Rank, he was becoming one of HBOs main stars.

You were making it seem as if 50 talked him into leaving. The man wanted to leave.

 

[naner12]

That would be all well and good if Gamboa wasn't who he was BEFORE signing with 50 Cent. An undefeated, former Olympian, one time can't miss prospect, who everyone wanted to see fight while he was coming up getting a fight directly in a guys hometown after having exactly 1 fight in the last year is supposed to be a testament to something good that 50 did?

People knew who Gamboa was before this, Billy Dib is "50 Cents fighter" to people, not Gamboa. Gamboa's career took a serious downturn after signing with 50, that's not even debatable.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

I totally disagree and you can't blame the inactivity on 50. They probably had numerous fights lined up, people probably ducked, money wasn't right, etc.

Thus the need for a big promoter. 50 couldnt get him fights. Why would a big time promoter put their guy against Gamboa if they don't have to? They have no incentive. But when he's with Top Rank, for example the Rios fight is a win win for Bob Arum since they would have been both his fighters.

And a Crawford fight wasn't a chance to capitalize and make something happen? The guy wasn't even ranked in the top 5 by the WBO, gets a title shot and then tanks. That is on him. Now I am not saying the Rios fight was the wrong fight, but you can't blame anyone except for Gamboa for stopping that. He put the brakes on it. No one forced him to do it. And Bob most likely had him set up for rape, don't tell me shit about what Bob was doing.

And Gamboa was favored to lose against Crawford. It was a bad match up. A promoter with more resources wouldn't have taken that fight unless desperate.

 

[HERESY]

That would be all well and good if Gamboa wasn't who he was BEFORE signing with 50 Cent. An undefeated, former Olympian, one time can't miss prospect,

And he was that BEFORE he got his socks knocked off an hour or two ago.

who everyone wanted to see fight

Wrong. Everyone didn't want to see him fight because everyone didn't even know who he was. Listen. all Gamboa had to do was pull off an impressive victory. A KO or a straight clinic where he dominated. He failed to do it.

while he was coming up getting a fight directly in a guys hometown after having exactly 1 fight in the last year is supposed to be a testament to something good that 50 did?

Hell yeah it is. Crawford just went overseas and took a guys belt so what is the problem? So now it is impossible to go in someones yard and take their belt?

People knew who Gamboa was before this, Billy Dib is "50 Cents fighter" to people, not Gamboa. Gamboa's career took a serious downturn after signing with 50, that's not even debatable.

Like I said before, DIEHARDS and people who really follow the sport knew who he was. Everyone else, which is the majority, did not know who he was. So if his career took a downturn, it wasn't after signing with 50 but leaving TR in the first place. If he had left TR and signed with no one then what? No fights. Blame Gamboa, not 50. He was put in a position to fight for a belt and drive his stock up and he failed.

 

[HERESY]

Thus the need for a big promoter. 50 couldnt get him fights. Why would a big time promoter put their guy against Gamboa if they don't have to? They have no incentive. But when he's with Top Rank, for example the Rios fight is a win win for Bob Arum since they would have been both his fighters.

How could he not get him fights? They were in negotiations to fight Garcia. Again, why did that collapse? And then you talk about the Rios fight being a win win for Arum? You see what you just did there right? A win win for who? Arum? What about the fuckin fighter who you are saying was mishandled and on his way to tomato can city?

And Gamboa was favored to lose against Crawford. It was a bad match up. A promoter with more resources wouldn't have taken that fight unless desperate.

So fuckin what? The odds for Buster and Tyson was 42-1. Get in there and do your job. Make something happen. If he had won you fools would all be singing a different tune. Look how you all were praising him, now that he is a step away from tomato can city it's this guys fault, that guys fault, this was the wrong move, etc. SAVE IT. The nigga got knocked the fuck out. End of discussion.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

If he had won tonight that would have shot him up near the top and placed him on a couple of more lists. He failed. And, like I said earlier, he had fights lined up but the money wasn't right or something happened. What happened with Mikey Garcia? What happend when Bob Arum had his final say?



You were making it seem as if 50 talked him into leaving. The man wanted to leave.

I'm glad you bought up Mikey Garcia. Gamboa didn't get that fight because it was too risky for Top Rank to put who they believe is their future star against Gamboa. Since Top Rank has no investment in Gamboa, they had no reason to risk it. Instead they would risk Crawford, who was a virtually unknown fighter and was the favorite to beat Gamboa. See how that works? If Gamboa was with Top Rank, chances are he would get a Mikey Garcia fight (just like he would have got a Rios fight) because again, it's a win win for Top Rank and they are invested in Gamboa.

This is a problem for all small time promoters. They have problems getting good fights with fighters of bigger promoters. When they do, it's almost always going to be because the bigger promoters fighter is favored to win. It's risk/reward. Small promoters feed their fighters to the bigger promoters.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Hell yeah it is. Craqford just went overseas and took a guys belt so what is the problem? So now it is impossible to go in someoen syard and take their belt?

Crawford was Ricky Burns' mandatory. It was ordered by the WBO. That's how he got that fight.

Like I said before, DIEHARDS and people who really follow the sport knew who he was. Everyone else, which is the majority, did not know who he was. So if his career took a downturn, it wasn't after signing with 50 but leaving TR in the first place. If he had left TR and signed with no one then what? No fights. Blame Gamboa, not 50. He was put in a position to fight for a belt and drive his stock up and he failed.

We both are blaming Gamboa for making the stupid decision to sign with a small time, unproven, inexperienced promoter. 50 hasn't done anything in the sport yet.

 

[HERESY]

I'm glad you bought up Mikey Garcia. Gamboa didn't get that fight because it was too risky for Top Rank to put who they believe is their future star against Gamboa.

Wow! So he's too dangerous for Garcia? They want to protect Garcia? So the guy is basically ducked but somehow it is "the small promoters fault" because he got knocked the fuck out? Listen, who else was he supposed to fight? Arum nuked the fight. Garcia nuked the fight.

Since Top Rank has no investment in Gamboa, they had no reason to risk it. Instead they would risk Crawford, who was a virtually unknown fighter and was the favorite to beat Gamboa. See how that works? If Gamboa was with Top Rank, chances are he would get a Mikey Garcia fight (just like he would have got a Rios fight) because again, it's a win win for Top Rank and they are invested in Gamboa.

I know exactly how it works. Do you see how it works? TR fighters only fighting TR fighters? You see how the fuck that works don't you? Win win for TR but nothing for the fighters. But then when someone says fuck this shit, and decides to do their own thing, you fools scream "ducker" or some other shit like when Stevenson left HBO. But when the truth hits you all sing a different tune.

This is a problem for all small time promoters. They have problems getting good fights with fighters of bigger promoters. When they do, it's almost always going to be because the bigger promoters fighter is favored to win. It's risk/reward. Small promoters feed their fighters to the bigger promoters.

Make something happen. He didn't and got knocked the fuck out. End of discussion.

 

[naner12]

Gamboa was a known fighter when he was with Top Rank that's not even arguable. I remember being pissed getting off late after the Mtagwa cause someone texted me "Gamboa is a beast" and not many people follow boxing around here. HBO had offered $2MIL for the Gamboa/Rios fight and they sure didn't do it because Gamboa was only known to diehards.

 

[HERESY]

Crawford was Ricky Burns' mandatory. It was ordered by the WBO. That's how he got that fight.

Did I say anything about how he got the fight?

We both are blaming Gamboa for making the stupid decision to sign with a small time, unproven, inexperienced promoter. 50 hasn't done anything in the sport yet.

50 has salvaged his career. The career Gamboa sabotaged when he left TR.

 

[HERESY]

Gamboa was a known fighter when he was with Top Rank that's not even arguable. I remember being pissed getting off late after the Mtagwa cause someone texted me "Gamboa is a beast" and not many people follow boxing around here. HBO had offered $2MIL for the Gamboa/Rios fight and they sure didn't do it because Gamboa was only known to diehards.

Again, Gamboa was only known to diehards and people who actually follow the sport. The only major coverage he had on major media outlets was when he was in dispute with TR. And that was always cited as an issue with Gamboa, people would always say he didn't bring in numbers, didn't have a fanbase, etc.

Please stop acting as if he was a household name, he wasn't.

 

[naner12]

You're right. HBO loves throwing away money and paying $2 million for fights people don't watch. Great way to stay in business.

 

[HERESY]

You're right. HBO loves throwing away money and paying $2 million for fights people don't watch. Great way to stay in business.

Yet they wanted to pay Stevenson, who was Fighter of the Year and a proven champion, pennies for fighting Kovalev, and get rights to future fights.

Stop acting as if HBO and Arum are saints.

Stop blaming 50 for Gamboa getting his clock cleaned tonight.

 

[naner12]

Please quote me when I blamed 50 for Gamboa losing tonight. I'll wait.

 

[naner12]

Stop trying to put words in people's mouth to justify a failing argument.

 

[HERESY]

Please quote me when I blamed 50 for Gamboa losing tonight. I'll wait.

You're implying it.