i hear a lot of people giving them flack because their music doesnt dwell in the dungeon anymore so to speak. i like their shit, new and old. always have. always will. granted they reuse the same concepts OVER and OVER again, and neither project pat nor la chat deserve solo albums, i will still support them. top notch production. you cant deny that shit. the end is one of the most slept on "gangsta" rap albums of all time. i can see why a lot of folks dont feel the newer style of beats they come with, but god damn, they gotta graduate from boss drum machines and samplers sometime.