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I dont know but recently all these posts bout heaven and hell and everything have gotten me pretty steamed because all of you guys are being decieved. Its cool to have your own beliefs but everyone should know that there is no afterlife, after u die thats it there is nothing, after wards just picture yourself sleeping without dreaming. If there is a god and heaven what happens to all the animals when they die or all the bacteria etc. Theres to many holes; how can animals kill another and go to heaven but if we do we supposedly go to hell.


Heaven or HEll and even God was made up along time ago so we have boundaries. If every1 knew there was nothing afterwards they would just go crazy and do whatever it took to get what they want, even kill people, so it controls us.


It was also made up to ease our fears because most people dont fear death if they think there is something afterwards like a heaven . But if people believed the truth that the afterlife is just nothingness of eternity, they would be very scared and depressed. I mean in the distant future the earth is going to blow up and in the very distant future everythin in the universe is going to get pulled back to the center of the universe and become a single infinitley massive point, so theres no room to heaven.


Keep believen in heaven and god if it makes you happy but just remember this, no1 needs to reply, I just hope i opened your eyes to reality.
 
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I am an Atheist and I may agree with you on a lot of things, but I will be the first to say that the gathering of minds is a place where people can discuss anything they want to. People have the right to say what is on there minds no matter what the topic may be.

If every1 knew there was nothing afterwards they would just go crazy and do whatever it took to get what they want, even kill people, so it controls us.
This statement pisses me off. Like I said, I am an atheist and I do no believe in an afterlife. Do you see me going crazy and killing fools to get what I want? What about all of the other people who do not believe in an afterlife?

I dont think you should diss people because their beliefs differ from you. There have been many threads in the gathering about religion and god where many great discussions have occured. You should look them up.
 
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Its cool to have your own beliefs but everyone should know that there is no afterlife, after u die thats it there is nothing, after wards just picture yourself sleeping without dreaming.




So, its cool to have our own beliefs but not if they go against yours?
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But if people believed the truth that the afterlife is just nothingness of eternity, they would be very scared and depressed.




First thing, do you KNOW this as truth? If so, prove it.

Second, are you scared and depressed?
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I mean in the distant future the earth is going to blow up and in the very distant future everythin in the universe is going to get pulled back to the center of the universe and become a single infinitley massive point, so theres no room to heaven.




stop thinking only three dimensionally. Once the universe condenses bacc to this infinitely massive point does it just stay like that for eternity? You know the answer is "no". The theory calls for an expanding and condensing and then it starts again. Plus what does this prove? You still can't conceive of that which caused the "massive point". You are limited to a concept and you have in fact closed your mind by saying that religion and most spiritual beliefs are absolutely wrong.
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Keep believen in heaven and god if it makes you happy but just remember this, no1 needs to reply, I just hope i opened your eyes to reality




of course no one NEEDS to reply. Your point? You conceive of reality short of infinity and nothing more than FINITE. How does one open their eyes or their minds to something which is CLOSED from further truths? Its hipocrisy.
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The nature of this post, given that you're "steamed", makes it seem that you have had your beliefs tested within your own mind otherwise you would not be upset. You would respect others beliefs and continue on your way if it were otherwise. Although, it can be very good to lose oneself from the concepts one holds so close. Sometimes to be lost in reality is the only way one can find it...................
 
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, YEa i will definetley check out those other atheist threads

@2-0sixx About me saying every1 will go crazy if they knew there was no heaven. Im not talking about individual people, im talking about groups of people , " group thought" would be much more violent. I mean think of all these religous extremists if they were proved there was no god , they would be more honest about why they hate the US and probably do more attacks. Also if you've been livving your whole life as best as you can and youre still broke and have a fucked up life for what? , nothing since those deeds wont get you in2 heaven since there isnt one, so people would be more self absorbed and do what it takes to get on top no matter who they hurt in the process , no morals, hence every1 would go crazy.

@n9newunsixx5150, I do respect what other people believe as long as they actually know what theyre beliveing and not blindly following a faith handed down by their parents, even if they go against mine, to be honest I was religoius up to about 3 years ago until my thoughts changed after getting started in college and just recieving a bunch of info from a lot of people and books and also just thinking about different subjects.

I mean if you belive in God more power to you, but at the end of the day every1s ultimate subliminal fear is dying and god and religon helps ease this.
 
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Yeah i was gonna say"because all of you guys are being decieved. Its cool to have your own beliefs" too.

But my BELIEFS are like YOURS except i believe theres a force of life. I always felt the BIBLE was made to create a human law, and strike fear into early man who belived in such monsters and gods before the age of science. I really think it was a hoax, made into a genius plot, using a strategy of FULLFILMENT SO LOOSELY that any generation may encounter the perfect scenario to claim it is telling the truth.
 

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I'm gettiN tired of all these threads about what happens to you when you die. I'll worry bout that when i do, untill then, lets talk about somethin else. I don't know about all you, but i don't need to be wondering around goin, whats the point of this life anymore. Just live it.

~Fawg
 
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Ok well let me get a crack at this.
Understand that just a few months ago I was just like you all.
Hell, you can still find my posts here in the siccness where I stated that I didn't believe in a creator.
Well all of that is changed.

But let me start here, whether you admit it or not, we as a civilization need religion.
I don't care if religion is fake, we need it in order to survive.
The late great mythilogical guru Joseph Campbell, stated that the reason why civilization is in a decline is due to the lack of our faith. He was asked what would a world be like if there weren't any religion, he said, "pick up the news paper". "Look at all the crimes being committed by the youth". "They're hopeless with out religion". Meaning that if one doesn't have a religious belief then we will do what ever we choose to do because there's no price we have to pay.
Do any of you so-called Atheists understand this?
If we grow up in a society where no one believes in God, then we are doomed.
Why? Because it's like getting rid of big brother!
One will not have it in his conscious anymore to think things over before he commits a crime or a sin.
There will be no thinking twice, because I ain't going to hell....
That's the mentality Atheists are giving our young ones today....
That is very dangerous and I hope you one day understand this.
You don't necessarily have to believe in God, but understand that we need the belief of a higher power....
Oh and don't hit me with everyone believes in god bullshit.
I know every fuckin "gangster" out there has scores of tattoos with religous icon and figures. That is a sign of hope, and not faith. If they had true faith then they wouldn't be living such a crime filled life....

But now to the nitty gritty.
So you don't think there is a god eh?
No after life? No spirit world?
All because you do not see it....
It's a shame, really....
Did you know that most scientists believe that there is an architech for the universe?
Most scientists do believe that the Universe was once created and not just a random coincedence.
That is because there is too much order, especially in our solar system.
The Earth has the perfect orbit around the sun, the perfect distance from the sun, we have the perfect gravitational pull here on Earth, the perfect weather conditions, the perfect atmosphere, the perfect natural gases, the perfect ecological system, the perfect food chain, etc.... How much perfection before we realize that life in Earth is more than a coincedence????
Isaac Newton, probably the greatest mind of our time, believed in a creator.
He was convinced that there is an intelligent force out there that keeps everything in order.
Even Einstein believed in God. The point is that the most intelligent people of our time came to the conclusion that there is a god.

This doesn't end with order. Life itself is proof of a creator. Look at DNA for instance, it's basically a blue print of ourselves. DNA is an architectual design, embedded in all of us. How can a simple cell know what to do inside our bodies?
Science cannot even begin to have an answer to that question.

I have all kinds of proof for the existance of God. And I have a bone crusher to the Atheist community who still hold onto their Darwin theory of evolution.
Oh yeah, Darwin admitted himself before dying that he wanted no one to take his theory as an explanation for life. He admitted that he still hadn't found everything there is to know about life.
But people ran with his idea any way....

Here's a short article on Isaac Newton:

"Isaac Newton -- the father of calculus and the mathematical formulas that describe the orbits of stars and planets -- learned that the stars, planets and their orbits are so carefully positioned in the skies that only the Almighty God could have possibly placed them there in the first place; that is to say, no physical natural forces could have 'moved them there', since they are so delicately and precisely balanced one with the other, all of them as a group depending on all of them as a group to keep them all in their respective places. Newton discovered that all of the stars and planets 'are in gravitational tension' one with another, such that if one became out of balance with the other, the universe would not work as we know it -- it wouldn't exist. Newton's discoveries prove that the universe didn't 'just pop up one day in the past by its own impersonal physical forces'; in fact, without God holding the stars and the planets together, the universe would 'stop on a dime' and would not exist. Just like that."

Like I said, I have all kinds of proof, this is just to warm things up....
As for my bone crusher to the evolution theory, well did you guys know that there is evidence that the Nephilim (Giants) whom the bible speaks of actually did exist? Even more astonishing is that there is proof that humans existed during the Dinosaur age....

Peace,
Miggidy

PS.... Open your minds and expand your thoughts....
 
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Dude, I practice my own personal religion, I don't make nobody else do it, and I love it. I love everything about it, and I don't feel it's a hindrance, I think it makes my life, NOW, better... not my life after I die.

How can you knock that? If we're enjoying it, how are we 'being deceived"? If it's making me a better person, how is it wrong? I never understood that.
 
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Blight said:

But my BELIEFS are like YOURS except i believe theres a force of life. I always felt the BIBLE was made to create a human law, and strike fear into early man who belived in such monsters and gods before the age of science. I really think it was a hoax, made into a genius plot, using a strategy of FULLFILMENT SO LOOSELY that any generation may encounter the perfect scenario to claim it is telling the truth.
Again, what do you care? LOL You believe what you want, and don't worry about me being deceived, or about what I believe (I'm just personalizing what you said in general, no beef, I'm just giving you 1 opinion). You just told me your opinions about the bible, but really, how does the bible affect your life? There's no reason to get mad, or upset that 'we're deceived' by it... just let it go, just don't read the bible if you don't believe in it. In the meanwhile, I'll read it, and what does that matter to you? I don't care if you're in your house worshipping satan, it isn't none of my business... (I'm not calling you a satanist, LOL I'm just saying you could do the worst thing in the world in my mind, and it would have no effect on me).

Peace~
 
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There will never be proof against God. If we find something out tomorrow that goes against our original idea of our existence or the nature of God we would then merely incorporate it into our reality. The idea of God will always be here. Even if government tries to control our beliefs one day, there will be rebels. The idea of God is the philosophical idea of an absolute. There is an absolute. So the idea is correct! When we attribute human characteristics and emotions is when we are attempting to identify God to ourselves. Its not wrong to do this but we need to see the whole of the truth rather than the part in order to not be half-wise in a relative perspective. Because to put human traits upon God is seeing "Him" in a relative perspective. Bottom line is, you can't argue with the idea of the absolute. You may not know what exactly it is.....But know one really does. That doesn't mean there isn't one..............
 
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But let me start here, whether you admit it or not, we as a civilization need religion. I don't care if religion is fake, we need it in order to survive.
I think you underestimate the human race. Why do we need religion to survive? Please, humor me with specifics.

The late great mythilogical guru Joseph Campbell, stated that the reason why civilization is in a decline is due to the lack of our faith. He was asked what would a world be like if there weren't any religion, he said, "pick up the news paper". "Look at all the crimes being committed by the youth". "They're hopeless with out religion". Meaning that if one doesn't have a religious belief then we will do what ever we choose to do because there's no price we have to pay.Do any of you so-called Atheists understand this?
And I would like to point out that the great Karl Marx once said, "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."

Many people will argue that if there was no religion and you "picked up the newspaper" and looked at the crimes committed, you would see very little if any.

This attitude towards an atheist society is garbage. Lets compare an animal with 99% same DNA as humans. Gorillas. Study a group of gorillas and you will see no killings and chaotic lifestyles. They live together in peace. How can they live so peacefully without the belief in god?

Most scientists do believe that the Universe was once created and not just a random coincedence.
Tell Stephen Hawkings that.

Even Einstein believed in God
One of the most false statements ever used. Einstein never said he believed or did not believe in god. Look it up.

Earth has the perfect orbit around the sun, the perfect distance from the sun, we have the perfect gravitational pull here on Earth, the perfect weather conditions, the perfect atmosphere, the perfect natural gases, the perfect ecological system, the perfect food chain, etc.... How much perfection before we realize that life in Earth is more than a coincedence????
Perfect huh? You obviously have no idea what your talking about.

This doesn't end with order. Life itself is proof of a creator. Look at DNA for instance, it's basically a blue print of ourselves. DNA is an architectual design, embedded in all of us. How can a simple cell know what to do inside our bodies?
Please, dont speak on something you know nothing of. If you want to lean more, read "The selfish gene" by Stephen Hawkings. How did DNA become? Did god just say, "Let there be DNA!"

Oh yeah, Darwin admitted himself before dying that he wanted no one to take his theory as an explanation for life. He admitted that he still hadn't found everything there is to know about life.
Oh no! A bone crusher! You got me there! Whatever, Darwin wasnt the first or the last to research evolution. The statement you made proves nothing. If you believe in a "Designer" then why is it so hard for you to believe in evolution?

Like I said, I have all kinds of proof, this is just to warm things up....
Well, lets hear it then! You got nothing! Do you think the points you have brought up havent already been talked about millions of times in the past and have been torn to threads in debates? Give us something to talk about.

@n9newunsixx5150
There will never be proof against God
And there will never be proof supporting god.
The idea of God is the philosophical idea of an absolute. There is an absolute. So the idea is correct!
LMAO! Your logic always cracks me up!
 
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And there will never be proof supporting god.



You exist as does all else. Thats proof. Stop being deluded with singular concepts of God. I cannot converse with the blind about the color blue.
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your perspective is to narrow. You dont even understand beyond one single concept of "God". How can I be blind when I am speaking of something much broader than you as you compare God to the tooth fairy? You obviously have no basis in the subject and perhaps you should keep your "logic" away from God until you do have a basis.............
 
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How can I be blind when I am speaking of something much broader than you as you compare God to the tooth fairy?
Obviously I used the tooth fairy to prove a point.

your perspective is to narrow
You shouldnt think my perspective is narrow just because I do not believe in god. Say that to all of the brilliant atheist scientists around the world.
 
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Obviously I used the tooth fairy to prove a point.



The only point you proved is how single minded your concept of God is.
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You shouldnt think my perspective is narrow just because I do not believe in god. Say that to all of the brilliant atheist scientists around the world.




I don't think your perspective is narrow because you do not believe in God. I think its narrow because you think God is like the tooth fairy. Obviously your single concept of God is foolish and I remain unable to speak of colors to the blind.
 
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I think its narrow because you think God is like the tooth fairy.
Did I ever say god is like the tooth fairy? Go back and read what I posted.

You said that we exist and that is proof of god. Then I wrote;
Thats real good proof n9ne. I exist, therefor GOD must exist!! I exist, therefor the TOOTH Fairy exists!
You can take "tooth fairy" out and replace it with anything. My point is that your logic is weak.
 
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You can take "tooth fairy" out and replace it with anything. My point is that your logic is weak.




Its only weak because you are comparing God to the tooth fairy. Yes, this IS what you're doing. Your example of showing me my logic is weak by incorporating the tooth fairy for when I am speaking of God is faulty. Existence isn't to the tooth fairy as it is to God.