Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, will it happen?

[8FIVE8]

Pac's style is very similar to Duran's. Shit I say they even share some of the same weaknesses.

But watch his foot movement and the way he creates space, feints and head movement and counter punching then look at Pac. Then look at their jabs. Very similar indeed. Counter punching? Yep. Combinations? Very similar in how they throw them and the way they both cut off the ring? Very similar. Pac isn't as much of a nutcase as Duran was, nor does he have as much power but the similarities are there, weaknesses included.

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[RM211]

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[HERESY]

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[2-0-Sixx]

Done deal?!?!?!? TMZ and it doesn't look like anything we don't already know but still....

Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Celebrity News | TMZ.com

MAYWEATHER VS. PACQUIAO
DEAL DONE
... Fight Set

6:27 PM PT -- A source involved in the negotiations tells TMZ Sports both fighters have agreed to fight and a date and location (Vegas) have already been set. The source says the formal agreement has not been signed but everyone expects the signatures "soon." Negotiators are putting "finishing touches" on the deal. update-grey-gray-bar

Floyd Mayweather has agreed to fight Manny Pacquiao ... multiple sources tell TMZ Sports ... who say the two finally came to an agreement moments ago.

The two sides had been trying to hammer out a deal for a while to square off at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on May 2nd.

Manny had agreed to his contract weeks ago ... and it was all up to Floyd to sign on the dotted line.

But now, after meeting in person at the Miami Heat game earlier this week ... we're told it's a done deal .. and the two sides will make a formal announcement in the coming days.

Story developing ...

 

[drunkaholic707]

won't believe it till they both step in the ring

 

[Coach E. No]

Pac's style is very similar to Duran's. Shit I say they even share some of the same weaknesses.

But watch his foot movement and the way he creates space, feints and head movement and counter punching then look at Pac. Then look at their jabs. Very similar indeed. Counter punching? Yep. Combinations? Very similar in how they throw them and the way they both cut off the ring? Very similar. Pac isn't as much of a nutcase as Duran was, nor does he have as much power but the similarities are there, weaknesses included.

Their defensive style is totally different. Duran had more of a stalking style than Pacquiao's in/out style of offense and defense. Pacquiao early in his career relied completely on going straight forward and backwards hoping to land a big left hand or straight punches with speed. Duran has was way more of a body puncher than Pacquiao has ever been and cuts the ring off differently in my opinion. I honestly don't see a similarity in them other than being knocked out cold in big welterweight fights lol

Having said that, that's one of my all time dream fights, Duran vs. Pacquiao.

I think Duran would've beat Mayweather (depending on the weight), but Pacquiao I'm not so sure about. If they had the same style, I would favor Pacquiao big time because he's way faster than Duran.

 

[Coach E. No]

I've heard that the MGM is already sold out for May 2nd weekend. I think I've given up any hope of going to this fight. It's going to be a nightmare trying to find a hotel and tickets are probably going to be stupid expensive.

 

[HERESY]

Their defensive style is totally different. Duran had more of a stalking style than Pacquiao's in/out style of offense and defense. Pacquiao early in his career relied completely on going straight forward and backwards hoping to land a big left hand or straight punches with speed. Duran has was way more of a body puncher than Pacquiao has ever been and cuts the ring off differently in my opinion. I honestly don't see a similarity in them other than being knocked out cold in big welterweight fights lol

Having said that, that's one of my all time dream fights, Duran vs. Pacquiao.

I think Duran would've beat Mayweather (depending on the weight), but Pacquiao I'm not so sure about. If they had the same style, I would favor Pacquiao big time because he's way faster than Duran.

Their defensive style is not totally different. Again, look at Duran's foot movement,head, jab as a defensive tool, the way he cuts off the ring, etc. I can give you a list of fights to watch if that will help. Watch Duran vs Polamino and Duran vs Leonard 1. Now watch a couple of Pac fights, Pac vs Algerie, Pac vs Cotto and Pac vs Marquez (the last fight.) Turn the volume down on all the fights. Watch their head movement, faints, footwork, the way they create space and overall rhythm. Then watch the way both transition from offense to defense and vice versa in a seamless fashion and you will see both fighters are pressure fighters/boxer-punchers who can adapt on the fly. And again, the way they do things are similar. The same? No. Similar? Absolutely.

And when it comes to speed they are close but Pac probably edges him out. How the speed is implemented? Edge goes to Duran. In a lightweight fight? Well, look at anyone's list of all time lightweights and 99.9% of the time Duran will be ranked 1. So if it's a lightweight bout Duran decapitates him. Any other weight class then it depends on which Duran shows up.

As for being knocked out cold in big fights it took 80+ fights for Duran to be knocked out. Can't say the same for Pac. Also, Duran was never knocked out as a welterweight. His only ko loss ever was at middleweight while Pac has been knocked out in three different weight classes.

 

[battle619]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM0Q2jhxeng

 

[Coach E. No]

Their defensive style is not totally different. Again, look at Duran's foot movement,head, jab as a defensive tool, the way he cuts off the ring, etc. I can give you a list of fights to watch if that will help. Watch Duran vs Polamino and Duran vs Leonard 1. Now watch a couple of Pac fights, Pac vs Algerie, Pac vs Cotto and Pac vs Marquez (the last fight.) Turn the volume down on all the fights. Watch their head movement, faints, footwork, the way they create space and overall rhythm. Then watch the way both transition from offense to defense and vice versa in a seamless fashion and you will see both fighters are pressure fighters/boxer-punchers who can adapt on the fly. And again, the way they do things are similar. The same? No. Similar? Absolutely.

And when it comes to speed they are close but Pac probably edges him out. How the speed is implemented? Edge goes to Duran. In a lightweight fight? Well, look at anyone's list of all time lightweights and 99.9% of the time Duran will be ranked 1. So if it's a lightweight bout Duran decapitates him. Any other weight class then it depends on which Duran shows up.

As for being knocked out cold in big fights it took 80+ fights for Duran to be knocked out. Can't say the same for Pac. Also, Duran was never knocked out as a welterweight. His only ko loss ever was at middleweight while Pac has been knocked out in three different weight classes.

I was being facetious about the being knocked out thing. Duran is the best lightweight ever. I was wrong, Duran was knocked out at 154, I thought it was 147. So Jr. Middleweight or Super Welterweight, we were both wrong I guess lol

I'll be the first to admit that I haven't seen all of Duran's fights. But he reminds me more of GGG, Frazier, or Chavez than Pacquiao.

 

[Coach E. No]

Floyd saying the TMZ report was false, fight not made yet.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/boxin...964.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=tw

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Their defensive style is not totally different. Again, look at Duran's foot movement,head, jab as a defensive tool, the way he cuts off the ring, etc. I can give you a list of fights to watch if that will help. Watch Duran vs Polamino and Duran vs Leonard 1. Now watch a couple of Pac fights, Pac vs Algerie, Pac vs Cotto and Pac vs Marquez (the last fight.) Turn the volume down on all the fights. Watch their head movement, faints, footwork, the way they create space and overall rhythm. Then watch the way both transition from offense to defense and vice versa in a seamless fashion and you will see both fighters are pressure fighters/boxer-punchers who can adapt on the fly. And again, the way they do things are similar. The same? No. Similar? Absolutely.

And when it comes to speed they are close but Pac probably edges him out. How the speed is implemented? Edge goes to Duran. In a lightweight fight? Well, look at anyone's list of all time lightweights and 99.9% of the time Duran will be ranked 1. So if it's a lightweight bout Duran decapitates him. Any other weight class then it depends on which Duran shows up.

As for being knocked out cold in big fights it took 80+ fights for Duran to be knocked out. Can't say the same for Pac. Also, Duran was never knocked out as a welterweight. His only ko loss ever was at middleweight while Pac has been knocked out in three different weight classes.

Duran didn't start at 106 pounds like Manny though so 147/154 is irrelevant since their starting points were different. They both got KOd when they went up far above their "natural" weight classes though. With Pac it took Marquez four fight to finally figure it out to land that perfect punch, after 60 pro fights, with Duran against Hearns it took Hearns one round to figure it out (but that's totally different as well just a horrible style matchup for Duran plus the size difference was too much). As far as Pac's early career KO losses when he was literally a teenager, can't really hold that against him much being he was a teenager, malnourished poor kid. Especially the second KO loss from a body shot he was obviously drained as fuck, came in overtime weight on the scales, stripped of his title and immediately after that fight he went up two weight classes so that just goes to show how he outgrew that division.

As far as Duran being the greatest 135 pounder I hear that a lot too but I seriously question it, he doesn't have AMAZING wins there. I say Pacquiao's run at 130 was more impressive, beating Morales, Barrera and Marquez. That's three future hall of famers and all time greats in a short span of fights. Pretty legendary. Regardless both Duran and Pacquiao were at their best at those lower weights and neither were as good when they moved up to 147 (and above for Duran).

 

[naner12]

3 wins over hall of famers De Jesus & Ken Buchanan aren't considered amazing wins? Who exactly would you rank higher than Duran at lightweight? When considering all time greats within a division you'd have to consider what they did in the actual division. I'd find it a hard argument to find a better lightweight than Duran.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

3 wins over hall of famers De Jesus & Ken Buchanan aren't considered amazing wins? Who exactly would you rank higher than Duran at lightweight? When considering all time greats within a division you'd have to consider what they did in the actual division. I'd find it a hard argument to find a better lightweight than Duran.

Benny Leonard, Henry Armstrong and Ike Williams have a strong case to name a few. Shit, Armstrong was basically unbeatable at 135. The only knock on Armstrong is that he was fighting and beating guys above 135 even though he was still weighing in as a lightweight! I think Duran is rated so highly because he did move up weight successfully, those are the only two names anyone ever mentions from Duran beating at 135, Dr Jesus and Buchanan. Like I said I would rate the wins over Morales, Barrera and Marquez as more impressive, imo.

 

[HERESY]

Duran didn't start at 106 pounds like Manny though so 147/154 is irrelevant since their starting points were different.

Yet you fight tooth and nail when I mention Tito and BHOP having two different starting points. And even though they both started in different places weight wise, they were both 16 when they started.

They both got KOd when they went up far above their "natural" weight classes though. With Pac it took Marquez four fight to finally figure it out to land that perfect punch, after 60 pro fights, with Duran against Hearns it took Hearns one round to figure it out (but that's totally different as well just a horrible style matchup for Duran plus the size difference was too much).

The point is it happened early in his career and recently but with Duran it took decades for it to happen. Yes, it took Hearns one round to figure it out but that was a mismatch. But Hagler bodied Hearns in 3 yet went the distance with Duran. Again, the Hearns Duran fight was a total mismatch, but Pac Marquez wasn't.

As far as Pac's early career KO losses when he was literally a teenager, can't really hold that against him much being he was a teenager, malnourished poor kid. Especially the second KO loss from a body shot he was obviously drained as fuck, came in overtime weight on the scales, stripped of his title and immediately after that fight he went up two weight classes so that just goes to show how he outgrew that division.

I'm not holding it against him but just citing that it has happened at various points in his career. While they did happen, they were early, he was still growing, etc. The only ko I REALLY count against Pac is the JMM ko. It's no different than me not counting Bradley's win over Pac.

As far as Duran being the greatest 135 pounder I hear that a lot too but I seriously question it, he doesn't have AMAZING wins there. I say Pacquiao's run at 130 was more impressive, beating Morales, Barrera and Marquez. That's three future hall of famers and all time greats in a short span of fights. Pretty legendary. Regardless both Duran and Pacquiao were at their best at those lower weights and neither were as good when they moved up to 147 (and above for Duran).

How does he not have AMAZING wins there? He fought DeJesus and won the second and rubber match. He beat HOF Buchanan. And let's not forget the man fought 15 round fights.

You put these two in the ring at anything other than lightweight and its a matter of which Duran shows up. At lightweight I would bet the farm on Duran.

 

[HERESY]

Benny Leonard, Henry Armstrong and Ike Williams have a strong case to name a few. Shit, Armstrong was basically unbeatable at 135. The only knock on Armstrong is that he was fighting and beating guys above 135 even though he was still weighing in as a lightweight! I think Duran is rated so highly because he did move up weight successfully, those are the only two names anyone ever mentions from Duran beating at 135, Dr Jesus and Buchanan. Like I said I would rate the wins over Morales, Barrera and Marquez as more impressive, imo.

Joe Gans can be argued as well (and often is) and there is a strong case for the guys you listed as well (especially Armstrong capturing 4 titles in under a year), but I still have Duran edging them out.

 

[naner12]

Benny Leonard, Henry Armstrong and Ike Williams have a strong case to name a few. Shit, Armstrong was basically unbeatable at 135. The only knock on Armstrong is that he was fighting and beating guys above 135 even though he was still weighing in as a lightweight! I think Duran is rated so highly because he did move up weight successfully, those are the only two names anyone ever mentions from Duran beating at 135, Dr Jesus and Buchanan. Like I said I would rate the wins over Morales, Barrera and Marquez as more impressive, imo.

Henry Armstrong was incredible but he also spent way more time in featherweight/welterweight. I get that he weighed in around the lightweight limit fighting welterweights but those were still welterweight fights.

Williams would absolutely be in my top 5 but too, but I wouldn't put him above Duran or Leonard. His talent was undeniable but he definitely threw at least one fight that he admitted to and his career is muddled with fight fixing accusations.

Benny Leonard, IMO, is the only one I can see people ranking ahead of Duran.

Also none of those fight for Pacquiao took place at lightweight. He had exactly one win there against David Diaz. There is absolutely no way anyone should be ranking him as an ATG lightweight. I'm with you if you want to rank him at 130.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Yet you fight tooth and nail when I mention Tito and BHOP having two different starting points. And even though they both started in different places weight wise, they were both 16 when they started.

I think you misunderstood my point. You were specifically talking about 147 (you said Duran was never KO'd at 147). I pointed out the fact that Pacquiao started even lower than Duran did so it's not comparable since their career progression in weight classes was obviously not identical. As for Trinidad, he was in his PRIME when Hopkins fought him. Pac & Duran were both past prime when they got KO'd.

The point is it happened early in his career and recently but with Duran it took decades for it to happen. Yes, it took Hearns one round to figure it out but that was a mismatch. But Hagler bodied Hearns in 3 yet went the distance with Duran. Again, the Hearns Duran fight was a total mismatch, but Pac Marquez wasn't.

Both Duran & Pac were past prime when they got KO'd by Hearns & JMM and I don't know why you continue to hold the two early career losses against Pac when you state the following:

I'm not holding it against him

So you agree those two early losses shouldn't be held against him, yet you are holding them against him...

but just citing that it has happened at various points in his career. While they did happen, they were early, he was still growing, etc. The only ko I REALLY count against Pac is the JMM ko.

Right and that's the way I see it. By the fourth Marquez fight, we could all see Pacquiao wasn't the same fighter he was years prior. Just age and 60 fights adding up (and of course JMM's perfectly timed counter, but even before that, he got knocked down from a simple cross from JMM that he'd been hit with hundreds of time, he just wasn't the same.).

How does he not have AMAZING wins there? He fought DeJesus and won the second and rubber match. He beat HOF Buchanan. And let's not forget the man fought 15 round fights.

I don't see them as AMAZING wins. I see them as good or great wins, not AMAZING. Duran beating Ray Leonard was amazing. Those two guys at 135 to me aren't as impressive as beating Barrera, Morales and JMM.

You put these two in the ring at anything other than lightweight and its a matter of which Duran shows up. At lightweight I would bet the farm on Duran.

I would bet the farm on Pernell Whitaker over any lightweight including Duran. He doesn't have the same resume though at 135, but pound 4 pound, just knowing his skills, man, I don't see anyone beating Whitaker at 135. I think it's a nightmare match-up for Duran.

 

[2-0-Sixx]

Henry Armstrong was incredible but he also spent way more time in featherweight/welterweight. I get that he weighed in around the lightweight limit fighting welterweights but those were still welterweight fights.

Right but you see my point though. If Armstrong is weighing in at 135 and beating welterweights what the fuck does that say about Armstrong at 135!?!

Williams would absolutely be in my top 5 but too, but I wouldn't put him above Duran or Leonard. His talent was undeniable but he definitely threw at least one fight that he admitted to and his career is muddled with fight fixing accusations.

Benny Leonard, IMO, is the only one I can see people ranking ahead of Duran.

Also none of those fight for Pacquiao took place at lightweight. He had exactly one win there against David Diaz. There is absolutely no way anyone should be ranking him as an ATG lightweight. I'm with you if you want to rank him at 130.

Well right, I was comparing Pac's 130 run to Duran's 135 run (since obviously Pac only fought once there). The reason is somehow this thread turned into comparing Duran & Pac lol (which I don't really see a comparison as far as fighting style, they both moved up a lot of weight successfully and were both awesome legendary fighters, but style wise I don't see it).

 

[HERESY]

I think you misunderstood my point. You were specifically talking about 147 (you said Duran was never KO'd at 147). I pointed out the fact that Pacquiao started even lower than Duran did so it's not comparable since their career progression in weight classes was obviously not identical. As for Trinidad, he was in his PRIME when Hopkins fought him. Pac & Duran were both past prime when they got KO'd.

You misunderstood my point. Coach said they had something in common in being knocked out cold at welterweight. I was pointing out that his KO loss wasn't at welterweight.

As for Tito, again, the guy did not belong in the weight class and he certainly didn't need to be fighting a guy who is basically a light heavy that built his career at a lower weight. AnywY, we will NEVER agree on this, lol.

Both Duran & Pac were past prime when they got KO'd by Hearns & JMM and I don't know why you continue to hold the two early career losses against Pac when you state the following

So you agree those two early losses shouldn't be held against him, yet you are holding them against him...

I mentioned them because Coach mentioned both guys being knocked out. I was shedding light on the subject.

Right and that's the way I see it. By the fourth Marquez fight, we could all see Pacquiao wasn't the same fighter he was years prior. Just age and 60 fights adding up (and of course JMM's perfectly timed counter).

60 fights compared to Duran's 80+ at the time he was knocked out? The point is, again, Duran wasn't knocked out at various stages. And again, I don't hold those two against Pac like I don't hold the Bradley loss against him. And when it comes to Duran, I don't hold his losses to the other members of the "great four" against him.

I don't see them as AMAZING wins. I see them as good or great wins, not AMAZING. Duran beating Ray Leonard was amazing. Those two guys at 135 to me aren't as impressive as beating Barrera, Morales and JMM.

He butchered those two guys and let's not forget his first title win which was total destruction. And again, these were lightweight fights. Like naner pointed out, those fights weren't contested at lightweight. And what Coach is saying, which I do not agree with, is that Pac beats Duran. At any other weight then it depends. Lightweight? Hands down Duran wins.

I would bet the farm on Pernell Whitaker over any lightweight including Duran. He doesn't have the same resume though at 135, but pound 4 pound, just knowing his skills, man, I don't see anyone beating Whitaker at 135. I think it's a nightmare match-up for Duran.

You got a case there. I think Duran's pressure would be a bit too much but then I'm thinking about Sweet Pea's defense. Like I said you got a case here.