Who Can Sell 25,000 Units? Can It Be Done?

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Night Shield said:
Our music sounds just as professional and tight as anyone in the game including majors. Trust me, we're doing this for real.
I wish I collected a dollar for every time I heard a statement like that.

BTW, I ain't knockin' your shit because I ain't heard it but none-the-less that's a bold claim to make. I know a lotta cats who are coming with straight F-I-R-E so I guess we'll let time be the judge of who's who and what's what. Good luck wid it man, it's a cold business!
 
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^^ The man Night Shield definitely means it.

He won't be the one blowing 350 on an ounce of kill, and convincing himself "awww, i can master it myself!". The shit sounds GOOD.
 

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tadou said:
I know XXXXXX, the last count i heard had broke the 5000 mark for "XXXXXX XXX XXXX XXX" (this was a couple months ago), selling them for $5, $4 and less. Why don't more labels do this? Why sell 1000 albums at $10 each, when you can be selling many times that at $3 and $4 each, and getting your music out to 4 or 5 times as many people? What is with this, "I got bills to pay" mentality? How you gonna sell 5000+ (let alone blow up), when you so obsessed over the $$$ and not even concerned about the getting-your-music-heard part?
Ehh emm......let me clear my throat.

Tadou.....I know you mean well. I think you genuinely care about the NW scene and are supportive of it. Sometimes I wish we had more people like you.....but then sometimes I'm glad we don't because you really are a narrow minded fool with the REDICULOUS shit that you say.

It must be nice to live at home with your mommy and not have to worry about paying rent.....or bills.....or have to worry about feeding your kids or your 2 dogs for that matter. But for those of us that are grown and have left the comfy confines of the nest......we have responsibilities to worry about. Basically the "I got bills to pay" mentality is 100% legitimate and unless you wanna be a HOMELESS artist.....it's a reality.

How am I supposed to maintain while I'm out tryin' to sell all these units? Am I supposed to sell all my wordly possessions....fuck off my family.....buy a Winnebago and hit the road with my 1,000 CD's and slang them for 3, 4, 5 bucks? What about the money I spent on the album? If I spent $10,000 on the beats, artwork, 1,000 copies and some promo materials (i.e. posters, fliers, snippets)......how many copies do I have to sell to recoup? At $5 a CD I have to sell 2,000. But wait......to get that other 1,000 pressed up it's gonna cost me another $1,000 (+ or - depending on your packaging and pressing deal). That just boosted your overall recoupment cost to $11,000. So at $5 a CD.....even if I sell ALL 2,000 of them I'm still not goin' to recoup. That means I'm gonna have to get another 1,000 and add on another $1,000 (that's 3,000 CD's now) increasing your overall recoupment to $12,000. Now if I sold all 3,000 CD's at $5 I will make $15,000....thus generating a $3,000 profit. All that work for $3,000???? And you better hope you're not in a group situation where you have to split that 3, 4, or 5 ways.

Now let me throw a twist into this equation. IT COSTS MONEY TO BE OUT ON THE ROAD!!! Cars and upkeep costs money. Gas costs money. Motels cost money. Eating out all day everyday cost money. When you factor in all this shit......you ain't makin' shit. Not to mention that you're not gonna sell every single CD. As part of the business.....you HAVE TO give units away to industry people, stores, etc.

So what do I do? Charge $10 and make twice as much? Well thanks to this little thing called TECHNOLOGY......every fucktard who has Fruity Loops on his computer and a Radio Shack microphone is now a so-called producer and has a couple buddies who *THINK* they can rap just because they can rhyme some words together and are making their little home recordings. Then they pool some money together and get the shit replicated. Then they go out and sell the shit to people claimin' that it's "dope".....or "the tightest shit out" and lure unsuspecting consumers into buying their crappy SUB-STANDARD product. So now you have all these people (and we've all fallen for it) who have spent their hard earned $10 on some WACK-ASS piece of shit album and are leary about spending on some unheard-of underground cats regardless of how tight they are. SO..........that forces the rest of us to slang our shit for cheaper in order to give the consumer an incentive to buy because they feel like they're getting a good deal. And if it is wack.....well hey.....it was only $5. If they like it.....then they got a deal.

You live in a fantasy world Tadou. It's not easy to push 2, 3, or 5,000 units. In fact it's pretty difficult. And when you factor all the other shit in along with our real life situations......you see that this game is 10x harder than you think and many of us don't really make shit at it. Which pretty much means that we're doin' it for the love. But love don't pay the bills.....love don't put food in you and your families mouths or clothes on your back. Love don't buy cars or gas. So at some point love ain't enough and it's time for the money to kick in.....that's if you haven't given up by then.

Did I also forget to mention rule #1 in business? IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY!

So the bottom line is: ALL YOU WACK MUTHAFUCKAS NEED TO STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOIN' TODAY AND LET THE REAL MC'S AND PRODUCERS WITH REAL TALENT GET OUR HUSTLE ON! STOP PUTTIN' BLACK EYES IN THE GAME!!!

Damn.....I just made myself want to quit the rap game.
 

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og MS said:
itz either quick nickel or the slow dime.............. personally i'll take the quick nickel........ I'd rather sell 100 in a week @$5 then 50 in two weeks @ $10.........

the stores just aint ordering and stocking up like they used to.. I'll go lower to recoup my endz rather than holdin strong and draggin it out.

thatz me tho.

different strokes for different folks.
og MS.....speakin' the real as always.
 
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^^ What the....? How you gone talk shit about me saying the $5 thing, then support dude when he says it? Come on now!

And with all due respect, D: you are 10 years older than I am. My life right now IS college and i make no bones about that. Away from the "nest", away from "mommy"--I'd be about $10,-15,000 or more deep in student loans by now...not a very good start for someone who would rather use that $150/month in future incomes to put towards something other than my "Tadou Pride" Account for 03-05. I'm full-time, on the path to transfer (hopefully, this winter)...what else can i be doing?


Now...you are a very astute businessman--i will give you that much. But for one, your album figures are a bit inflated, and for two, your recoup concept is very different from mine.

Working backwards...Recoup means Recouperate...if you go run 10 miles, the goal is to recouperate, specifically, the faster you're able to, the healthier your indicator is. Gaining STRENGTH is secondary, and gaining endurance is the key measure. -- Sprinting is cool, but I'm trying to be a marathon runner.

Crossing back to the Album Figures...if you've got money to split between people, a name to build, and ground to cover, the LAST thing you're going to want to do is spend $10,000 on your album. Yes, it takes money to make money; but taking LOTS of money doesn't mean you'll make LOTS of money.

Back again...Recoup is most like an investment, so think like an investor for a second: Its expected that your companies make you money, but the MAIN THING THAT IS IMPORTANT, is that they DO NOT LOSE MONEY. -- This, I believe, is the very essence of recouping. Profiteering is a whole 'other issue.

Forward again...consider this budget:

$1000 studio time/mixing, roughly 40 hours x $25
$500 mastering, a top quality price
$500 graphics/photo shoot, assuming you aren't using a digicam
$1000 beats (most of the work done in-house)
$500 guest verses (album is mostly label roster);
$500 incidentals/overages
$1000 first pressing of 1000 copies, standard 4/1 3-on
$? promo (whatever is left of overages)
= $5000

Assuming you have a pre-production studio you can practice in for free; in the "recording" studio you have a "NO BULLSHIT/Memorize your shit ahead of time" attitude; you follow instructions to submit artwork; and so on....is that not a viable budget?

Once you make that 1000 x 5 back, the world is yours. Go back to the drawing board and see what everyone wants to do next. Heavy shows are an obvious next choice, and have the ability to bring in a good amount of "right away" income: $300 a show, 4 people, 75 each...there goes the cable or light bill.

Going on the road doesn't have to mean to California or Arizona; its just crazy to me that artists in Bellingham haven't performed (and aren't looking around) in Olympia, and vice versa, when they are only a few hours apart.

I just can't see how people would act like they are completely assed out when it is their own fault for not having a back-up plan. Who's fault is it you smoke weed or drink? Who's fault is it you have fucked off credit? Who's fault is it you're too shifty to use a bank and you have to cash your check at a Cash-N-Go for a $30 loss? Who's fault is it you gossip like a little school girl and run your cell bill up?

My thoughts about cash flow go like this: The same people that HEMMORAGE money, BITCH about money.

If you work a back-breaking 8 hours a day and are too tired to put anything less than $10/unit work, that is on you...but If you work that non-manual job and have the energy and time to put in that $5/unit work, I'd say go for it. But all this, "i need my money right away" shit, that is wack. One of the main reasons i go back to fucked off credit.

How you gone skip your credit card bill, but pull out 20 every weekend for weed? How you gone ignore that ambulance bill, but buy a 1/5th of Henn every friday? How you gonna not pay you telephone bill, but buy fast food 3 times a week? Well...when it comes time to get that $1000-2000 loan your label needs to put this next project over the top, YOU won't be able to throw your hat in the ring!

Hip-Hop is a business just like every other business, but the only difference is, indy labels have a fucked off view of (and ability to get) credit. "The man" this, "the system" that....mothafucka, "THE MAN" is trying to GIVE YOU money, and LET YOU be A PART OF the system; all YOU gotta do is pay the shit back ON TIME!!

In the context of, "we spent $5,000, we need to make back 5 G's ASAP"....yes, that is a bad thing. But In the context of, "if all else fails, we only owe $100/mo"...that is a GOOD thing.


Anyway, i'm rambling like its late '01. I understand most of this is just theory from a momma's boy that lives at home; but its also the theory of someone with good credit, studying business/philosophy/law and growing into a man in his own right.

Sometimes I wish we had more people like you.....but then sometimes I'm glad we don't because you really are a narrow minded fool with the REDICULOUS shit that you say

Walk with me...walk with that man...either way, my feelings aint hurtin. I write this shit out to speak to myself, to inspire MYSELF...if somebody agrees with me from time to time, thats an added bonus; NOT something that is mandatory or something i'd do anything to acquire.
 

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tadou said:
^^ What the....? How you gone talk shit about me saying the $5 thing, then support dude when he says it? Come on now!

Forward again...consider this budget:

$1000 studio time/mixing, roughly 40 hours x $25
$500 mastering, a top quality price
$500 graphics/photo shoot, assuming you aren't using a digicam
$1000 beats (most of the work done in-house)
$500 guest verses (album is mostly label roster);
$500 incidentals/overages
$1000 first pressing of 1000 copies, standard 4/1 3-on
$? promo (whatever is left of overages)
= $5000
I stopped reading your ramblings after this because honestly.....I'm tired of reading your nonsense. You (ONCE AGAIN) don't have a fuckin' clue what you're talkin' about. That "budget" is some of the most asinine shit I've ever seen. 40 hours for studio time?????? LOLOLOLOOOLLLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Are you fuckin' kidding me? Look here youngster......I spent 80 hours just on the mixdown for the LAC OF RESPECT album. And I don't even know how many hours we spent recording and doin' initial rough mixes. I'd estimate at least 50 hours. One night we were in the studio for 10 hours alone. Maybe you can get away with 40 hours doin' the crap that you do.....but not us buddy.

Mastering? WTF do you know about some mastering? I fuck with the best place in town.....and I pay $80 an hour. Most of my projects have been runnin' about $1,000. RED HEAD STEVE's album cost that much and we just mastered that last week. Don't even mention the word mastering to me.....it's a process you obviously don't know shit about. Shit.....you have any idea how much Bernie Grundman's place charges? Do you even know who that is? lol...hurry up and GOOGLE his name so you can act like you know.

And I don't even have the patience to breakdown the rest of that bullshit.....nor do you have the mental capacity to fathom it. Like I said.....you live in some fantasy world where everything is easy and shit is cheap. Note to yourself: REMOVE HEAD FROM ANAL CAVITY.

Lastly.....it's you and muthafuckas like you with your wack-ass home recordings that are fuckin' the game up for people like me who take the shit seriously and invest alot of time and money into it. Doin' what you're doin' is cool.....but when you start tryin' to push it on people like it's THE BUSINESS....that's some crap. I was makin' music for years before I even thought about lettin' people hear it.....much less try to get them to buy it. But that's the problem.....you and your buddies all sit there and stroke each others dicks all day tellin' each other "you're tight, dude!" Then some dumb bitch who don't know her pussy from a hole in the wall blows your head and tells you she likes it too. But in reality......the shit is crap. And it's because of that shit that cats like me and og MS have to sell our CD's for a lower price.....BECAUSE THE MARKET PLACE IS OVER-SATURATED BY WEAK-ASS BEDROOM PRODUCED BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!

You don't get it though......and I don't expect you to either. You're just a naive little kid out in the middle of fuckin' NOWHERE.....who came from NOWHERE, Oklahoma and is tryin' to get somewhere. One day you're gonna look back at this shit and say......"Damn.....I hate to admit it, but D-Sane was 100% right."

That concludes today's lesson/keyboard lashing.
 
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40 hours for studio time?????? LOLOLOLOOOLLLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Are you fuckin' kidding me? Look here youngster......I spent 80 hours just on the mixdown for the LAC OF RESPECT album. And I don't even know how many hours we spent recording and doin' initial rough mixes. I'd estimate at least 50 hours. One night we were in the studio for 10 hours alone. Maybe you can get away with 40 hours doin' the crap that you do.....but not us buddy
I covered this VERY explicitly already. You chose to be aliterate:

Assuming you have a pre-production studio you can practice in for free; in the "recording" studio you have a "NO BULLSHIT/Memorize your shit ahead of time" attitude
Since you seem to need a translation (my Tadouese must be too thick for you), this means that your song blueprints are etched in stone at your pre-production facility. Thus, when you show up at the studio, its a one-two-three kind of thing: the verses are already memorized, so 2-3 takes and some ad libs will suffice. Some 10 minutes per verse, tal vez 1 hour per song. -- 20 songs, 20 hours...another 20 hours for the mixdown.

And keep in mind, this is ONLY for those CEO's that are capable of ruling with an iron fist and not tolerating ANY KIND of bullshit.

Mastering? WTF do you know about some mastering? I fuck with the best place in town.....and I pay $80 an hour. Most of my projects have been runnin' about $1,000 (...) you have any idea how much Bernie Grundman's place charges? Do you even know who that is? lol...hurry up and GOOGLE his name so you can act like you know
Now, if only I cared.

$500 is an extremely reasonable amount of money to pay, especially when your album is closer to 60 minutes or so than it is to 70-74+.

And I don't even have the patience to breakdown the rest of that bullshit.....nor do you have the mental capacity to fathom it
I am quite certain that--even though, in the past week alone, I've been studying the Upper Middle Ages, Pre-Enlightenment Europe, Nostradamus, Linguistics, etc etc--your breakdowns are enough to make my head explode.

Like I said.....you live in some fantasy world where everything is easy and shit is cheap. Note to yourself: REMOVE HEAD FROM ANAL CAVITY
And note to you: the whole world doesn't revolve around Seattle, and Seattle's rules and parameters, and Seattle's politics.

Lastly.....it's you and muthafuckas like you with your wack-ass home recordings that are fuckin' the game up for people like me who take the shit seriously and invest alot of time and money into it. Doin' what you're doin' is cool.....but when you start tryin' to push it on people like it's THE BUSINESS....that's some crap
Home recording.....friend, what? In case you haven't been paying attention, there is no Tadou album in the works. Think about that. What there is is me laying out $5000 budgets for albums, and speaking about credit...THINK about that. --- Investing DRUG money is not SHIT. Investing WORK money is not SHIT. Investing money you don't even HAVE yet is 10x more dedicated than anything else.

Fuckin the game up, you say? How so? Because albums were pressed up, and 95% of them remained in a 20 mile radius? Friend, some 20-30 albums made their way up to the Tacoma-Seattle area, and that is ALL. If someone told you that they bought a shitty album recently (and don't want to buy your album because of it), 9999 out of 10000 times, it wasn't my group's album.

What i say isn't "THE BUSINESS"; what I say is my own Goddamned opinion that i happen to be fuckin good at supporting with more than 1 or 2 paragraphs.

I was makin' music for years before I even thought about lettin' people hear it.....much less try to get them to buy it
Would you believe me if i said i was writing verses and songs for 6 years before i hit the studio? No...no, of course you wouldn't.....Would you believe me if i said it took 16 months after i first hit the studio for a project to be pressed up? AGAIN...you probably wouldn't believe me.

What is it exactly that you WANT to believe, friend? That me and the crew started rapping on a whim, and 3 months later, we had a home-recorded album out?

Who are you even TALKING about, if it isn't me?

But that's the problem.....you and your buddies all sit there and stroke each others dicks all day tellin' each other "you're tight, dude!" Then some dumb bitch who don't know her pussy from a hole in the wall blows your head and tells you she likes it too. But in reality......the shit is crap
Indeed, friend. The difference was, there was dozens of dudes and dozens of bitches telling us the shit was tight, and yes, that includes people weren't our "buddies".

I swear, you act like Aberdeen has 750 people and is in the middle of nowhere, but in reality, it has 16000 people and is bordered by 3 other towns of another 10k+. This may be a drop in the bucket to you, Mr. Big City, but to me its home. And it was also home to someone more successful than Mix-A-Lot ever...EVER was, Kurt Cobain.

it's because of that shit that cats like me and og MS have to sell our CD's for a lower price.....BECAUSE THE MARKET PLACE IS OVER-SATURATED BY WEAK-ASS BEDROOM PRODUCED BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!
Like I ALREADY SAID, this album DID NOT make its way outside of the Aberdeen area, so whatever "MARKET" you're talking about, ABERDEEN-GRAYS HARBOR ain't a part of it.

You don't get it though......and I don't expect you to either. You're just a naive little kid out in the middle of fuckin' NOWHERE.....who came from NOWHERE, Oklahoma and is tryin' to get somewhere
As was Kurt Cobain a naive little kid from nowhere. Who went on to turn the fucking game UPSIDE DOWN in a way that HAS NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE.

And take a look, friend; I'm not in the middle of nowhere any longer, I'm in Olympia, right here on the I-5. And in the next year, inshallah, ill be in either Bellingham(Vancouver), Ellensburg(Yakima), or Pullman(Spokane). If i get my grades up...who knows...I could be in Seattle in 06.

Good memory about Oklahoma by the way...but I'm not from Oklahoma. I'm from Liberal, Kansas, a town that borders Oklahoma. But again, you get props for remembering little nuggets like that about me. It makes me tear up, it really does :confused:

One day you're gonna look back at this shit and say......"Damn.....I hate to admit it, but D-Sane was 100% right."
And one day YOU might look back and say: "Shit...why didn't i just LISTEN?"

You will never be "right" in my book, because my home is not your home; my people are not your people; and your ways are not my ways. This, by the way, is the same exact clash of ideals that was bringing hundreds of posts a month to the SLR forum so many months ago.

Walk with me...walk with that man...either way, my feelings aint hurtin. I write this shit out to speak to myself, to inspire MYSELF...if somebody agrees with me from time to time, thats an added bonus; NOT something that is mandatory or something i'd do anything to acquire.--Tadou
Read this; memorize this; understand this. Its not a funny joke...its not one quote among many. It is THE quote that summarizes my role on Siccness.
 
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And even if you DO bump the Mastering up to $1000, and add $500 more worth of studio time, that is still only a 20% increase to $6000.....not a 100% increase to $10,000.
 
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@ D-Sane & Tadou

I have tried to explain to Tadou that he doesn't understand what the real industry consists of, and what it takes to run and ACUTUAL record label. It is a waste of time and thought on your end D-Sane to try to explain something to him that we are living. He doesn't get it, and I don't thing that he will get it anytime soon. Stop wasting your time trying to explain to him and put that energy into your next mix. He won't understand until he actually invests thousands of his own dollars and has to see what it takes to RECOUP that money, and still be able to take care of your average everyday life expenses. This business is not for play Tadou, and you are living in a FANTASY land. You aren't talking from a realistic perspective.
 

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@Tadou.....you have actual well known (and highly respected) NW artists and CEO's tellin' you how the game is. People who have been putting out projects for years and have invested tens of thousands of dollars into them. And you're gonna try and tell us how it's supposed to be? Some kid who is so disconnected from civilization and reality it's pathetic. I guess.......let you tell it. I think I'm gonna take Cool Nutz advice and bow out of this one. Tryin' to lace up your moccasins is pointless when you already have it all figured out. Oh......and maybe you should re-read what I said....you missed about 80% of it.

@Nutz......you know how I get when these "Johnny come lately's" try to talk about how it is and how it should be and ain't even got their feet wet yet.
 

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tadou said:
You will never be "right" in my book, because my home is not your home; my people are not your people; and your ways are not my ways. This, by the way, is the same exact clash of ideals that was bringing hundreds of posts a month to the SLR forum so many months ago.
DOOFY.....you remind me of some narrow minded redneck hick that lives out in the middle of nowhere and is just plain clueless to the ways of the world. The 10 square miles of your world is a speck in the big picture. Escape from that shithole and see what's really goin' on for once. I don't need to be "right".....I just need to be doin' better than you. :)

I really don't give a fuck how popular my board is anymore. It is what it is and it does what it does. I'm in the studio bangin' out album after album for myself and my associates on a daily......I have more important things to worry about these days. Why do you think I took a month and a 1/2 long absence?

OH! And Nirvana wasn't anymore popular than MIX-A-LOT. Do the math.
 
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Do the math? OK...let us do the math, friend.

"According to SoundScan, Nirvana's career album sales break down as follows: the group's 1989 debut, Bleach, has sold 1.44 million copies to date, followed by 1991's Nevermind at 7.65 million, the 1992 B-sides/rarities collection Incesticide at 1.13 million, and the band's final studio album, 1993's In Utero, at 3.58 million. Nirvana's two posthumous live releases, 1994's MTV Unplugged in New York and 1996's From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah (both of which were assembled by Grohl and Novoselic) have sold 4.11 million and 1.15 million copies, respectively." -- MTV.com, 2001 -- Unplugged has since went 5x, Nevermind 10x, 02's "Nirvana" went platinum, In Utero 5x, etc etc.

SIR MIX-A-LOT SEMINAR 05/07/90 NASTYMIX G ALBUM SOLO Std
SIR MIX-A-LOT SWASS 06/26/90 NASTYMIX P ALBUM SOLO Std
SIR MIX-A-LOT MACK DADDY 07/01/92 DEF AMERICAN P ALBUM SOLO Std
SIR MIX-A-LOT BABY GOT BACK 07/30/92 DEF JAM M (2) SINGLE SOLO Std
-- RIAA Gold and Platinum database


You're right. Mix-A-Lot and "Baby Got Back" and three platinum albums, really shat all over Nirvana's numerous hits, 3 MULTI-platinum albums and 24 million albums sold. "Wasn't anymore popular"? Try about 5 times more popular ("Do the math"). But don't just take my word for it -- http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp

Nirvana murdered that grunge shit. They fucked up the music world, point blank. Mix-A-Lot had some modest sales. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, et al had their run, and did alright. But as much as it fucks with your head to realize, the Leader of the Most Successful NorthWest Artist/Group OF ALL TIME WAS FROM ABERDEEN.


You and Nutz and this man and that man and that squirrel and that pigeon, can keep talking that "you not in da game" shit until your teeth rot, for all I care.

-- How many people told the makers of Amazon.com that an online mega-site would never work?
-- How many people told Bill Gates and Paul Allen that they could never overcome IBM?
-- How many people told the owner of Starbucks that Dunkin Donuts or Seattle's Best would crush him?

If i may borrow a political anecdote: This is a battle of an artist with bad ideas (me), versus a whole feudal society of Seattle-Portland artists with NO ideas......Pick your poison, I suppose.
 
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@ Tadou

I would like to have you sit in front of Walter Zelnick at City Hall Distribution, Sonya Askew @ Musicland Group, and Violet Brown from Transworld/Wherehouse Music and tell them all of your grand ideas, and see what they say. You are the perfect example of continuously putting your foot in your mouth. You can use all of that high powered jargon, poppycock, and complete hogwash to make this shit sound good, but you have no clue what you are talking about.

You might think that you are going to be the man that will overthrow the establishment and reinvent the hip-hop business wheel, but that isn't going to happen. Your ideas sound very good, but need a little taste of reality behind it. I wish you the best my friend.
 
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^^ And i wish you the best too, my 30 year-old friend. You seem to forget, on an almost daily basis, that i am only 20 years of age, and my dreams haven't been smashed to pieces yet. The medicine is obviously not working--and because of this, we don't need new test subjects, we need a new FORMULA.....PERIOD.

But, by all means. If saying "No, that couldn't work, because i said so", works better for you than "This might be possible, but I'd like to hear more specifics"...then that is your decision. You can memorize names until you are blue in the face--I don't give a fuck. Holler at me when YOU are the man that will put my product in stores, put my name in magazines, and sign me up to perform. THEN you will have the no-questions-asked, neverending respect from me that you so crave from everyone else.

I wish you luck too, but the difference is, I'm not just being an asshole about it.
 
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@ Tadou

To some of the more intelligent cats, there is a simple saying:

The older, the wiser......

Being 20 years old means that you are still just a young and naive boy, with big dreams and no experience. The thing is, I can put your product in stores. I could place your album through distribution with a simple word. I could put your name in magazines. I have those relationships. And I can put you on a real stage in a real veune, with real sound. Just ask some of the MC's in the NW that I have actually done some of these things for. I could also do it for you, but there is one small problem, you don't have any product for me to do that with.

Again my friend, you are living in a fantasy world. Refer to some of the artists that are actually making moves that have actually networked with me, and you will get an idea of some of the things that I could do for you, that is if you had a product for me to do it for. I speak to you from a point of experience, not from a point of ignorance.

And in terms of my dreams, they are really just now starting. I am far more skilled, far more knowledgable, and far more ready then I was to tackle the industry then I was when I was 20. This is how I know that all you are talking is a bunch of bullshit. Do you think that we are all just some ignorant rapper/street dudes that don't have a clue how this business works? You aren't the first, and you won't be the last to have these grand ideas about revolutionizing the music business. Get a dose of the real world my friend. Get in the water with the sharks and see how real shit is. Invest your last dollar in your album and hustle it back, then tell me how easy this shit is. Find those 1000 people to buy your CD for $4, and then tell me about the game.

And most of that fast talking and rhetoric is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo that sounds good combined with a bunch of big words that you formulate on these threads. Why don't you use a little Pig Latin to make it sound a little more snazzy. You are the master of unheard tongues and hidden dialect aren't you?
 
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tadou said:
Do the math? OK...let us do the math, friend.

"According to SoundScan, Nirvana's career album sales break down as follows: the group's 1989 debut, Bleach, has sold 1.44 million copies to date, followed by 1991's Nevermind at 7.65 million, the 1992 B-sides/rarities collection Incesticide at 1.13 million, and the band's final studio album, 1993's In Utero, at 3.58 million. Nirvana's two posthumous live releases, 1994's MTV Unplugged in New York and 1996's From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah (both of which were assembled by Grohl and Novoselic) have sold 4.11 million and 1.15 million copies, respectively." -- MTV.com, 2001 -- Unplugged has since went 5x, Nevermind 10x, 02's "Nirvana" went platinum, In Utero 5x, etc etc.

SIR MIX-A-LOT SEMINAR 05/07/90 NASTYMIX G ALBUM SOLO Std
SIR MIX-A-LOT SWASS 06/26/90 NASTYMIX P ALBUM SOLO Std
SIR MIX-A-LOT MACK DADDY 07/01/92 DEF AMERICAN P ALBUM SOLO Std
SIR MIX-A-LOT BABY GOT BACK 07/30/92 DEF JAM M (2) SINGLE SOLO Std
-- RIAA Gold and Platinum database


You're right. Mix-A-Lot and "Baby Got Back" and three platinum albums, really shat all over Nirvana's numerous hits, 3 MULTI-platinum albums and 24 million albums sold. "Wasn't anymore popular"? Try about 5 times more popular ("Do the math"). But don't just take my word for it -- http://www.riaa.com/gp/bestsellers/topartists.asp

Nirvana murdered that grunge shit. They fucked up the music world, point blank. Mix-A-Lot had some modest sales. Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, et al had their run, and did alright. But as much as it fucks with your head to realize, the Leader of the Most Successful NorthWest Artist/Group OF ALL TIME WAS FROM ABERDEEN.


You and Nutz and this man and that man and that squirrel and that pigeon, can keep talking that "you not in da game" shit until your teeth rot, for all I care.

-- How many people told the makers of Amazon.com that an online mega-site would never work?
-- How many people told Bill Gates and Paul Allen that they could never overcome IBM?
-- How many people told the owner of Starbucks that Dunkin Donuts or Seattle's Best would crush him?

If i may borrow a political anecdote: This is a battle of an artist with bad ideas (me), versus a whole feudal society of Seattle-Portland artists with NO ideas......Pick your poison, I suppose.
Man are you foreal on this one, first of all kurt did them big # because he died. and we talking hip hop not that music homie, baby got back still being played in movies radio and talk show's till this day. not to diss where you from homie but aberdeen is not where people in the world see kurt being from, and grunge is from seattle kurt was just the first to get to blow it up. befo he did the same to his head.........