Your views on the homeless....

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HERESY

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What are your views on the homeless and unfortunate? Do you look down on them? Do you treat them as equals? Do you participate in fund drives or help out at homeless shelters? Do you feel it's your responsibility to feed someone who you don't know?


Please share your views and thoughts about the homeless, poverty in america and what you can/should do to change it.



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May 13, 2002
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Obviously, the homeless are products of Capitalist societies; therefore, I blame the system rather than the victims.

***anticipates countless "Republican mentality" posts to follow***

HERESY (and anyone else who is interested), I suggest you read this brief defintion of lumpenproletariat

Personally, I help homeless people when I can.
 
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I try to help them out. Been in that situation and I never want to eat from handouts again. I've helped out at christmas drives, soup kitchens, donate money directly to them (only time I give to charities is when I give change but nothing too big since most of it will never be seen by the needy), and treat them like they were normal people (meaning I'll stop and talk to them if given a chance and even hang out with homeless people). I never go up to them and offer them money. I wait until they ask me, I find it disrespectful to assume they need the money even if it's quite obvious they do. I doubt there is really anything I can do to change anything though. I wish the goverment would do something but I know they never will. Poverty especially homelessness is a bitch.
 
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*puts on my best neo-con face*
If they don't want to help themselves then fuck `em, they can't be helped...I step on them with golf shoes.

Seriously though...I do like Commando said...the homeless problem in SF is so prevalent that it's hard to ignore, so I give food, and water, and cash, and on a friday or saturday night when I go out to a bar or club in the downtown area, I'll kick it with a homeless person for a little while, and see what they're up to, and if they got a plan, and just generally bullshit with them a while, and try to make them feel better, at least for a moment or two...I hope for change, but I've seen regulars who have died on the street, so I just try to make it comfortable for them when I see them.
 
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I empathize with all who have 'fell through the cracks' I'd love to be able to help them out, a Michael Franti verse always comes to mind when walking the street or driving by a freeway entrance "a pocket full of change don't mean that much to me, my cup is half-full, but his is empty"
The torah teachs that we should never ignore the need or pleads of the homeless.
I wonder what got them there, drugs, alcohol, rape, abuse, catostrophic events, no family or home life from young age, just plain tired of living the status quo...
Anyway you cut it, as Rastfari philosophy goes 'Life is life' and we must respect all...
I know I should do more, but my own selfish needs have me focus on other aspects of social reform, there's lots of work to do...

Daniel Quinn has a good book on 'the homeless' I forget the name, but it has some interesting insight...
 

DubbC415

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I think what sickens me the most is a common Republican belief, especially what has been said among richer, white kids who come had a very upper middle class upbringing, in that "we should do nothing, it's not our fault they're like that. They got themselves there."

However, because it exists, it is still a problem, and it NEEDS to be taken care of the people that can help. I think it's sick that people can dress up a "bum" for halloween, to be able to mock these people. i mean, people dont dress up as slaves, or prisoners of war, do they? no. A common problem with homeless people is that a lot of them suffer from some sort of mental dementia, such as schizophrenia. Others have drug problems, or alcholic problems. I think it's inevitable, but, it will only get worse unless the lower class is helped out as much as possible, and the people already homeless are helped out as well. It's the duty of the nation to do so. MOST homeless people, despite what conservatives would have you think, are not bad people....a lot of people work two jobs and still live in their vans. I don't understand how people can be unsympathetic, and more over, get angry at OTHER people for helping out...so its ok just to let these people rot in the streets?


as for helping out, i've worked in several shelters, helping make/serve christmas/thanksgiving dinner.
 
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I believe in charity and doing my personal best to ease an unfortunate's plight. "There but for the grace of God, go I" was a heavy value in my upbringing.
 

DubbC415

Mickey Fallon
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btw, Greg Giraldo during his comedy central presents had a pretty funny bit on it. he was talking about how he thought it was funny people just expect homeless people, the ones who live on the street, just to "get a job".


"Oh, come right in, Mr. Johnson, and just a recommendation...u might want to wear ur underwear on the INSIDE of ur pants on monday, haha...yeah, todays friday, so its casual friday, so only wearing one shoe works, thats a nice touch..."
 
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^^lol I havent seen that one yet.

I feel for the unfortunate, and I've donated food and clothes to drives before. I feel that homeless people are just the bi-product of our society, that somehow a constand cycle of poverty and ignorance ends up putting people with little ambition on the streets. Some homeless people have a mental illness, some do too many drugs. My take on homelessness varies depending upon the person.
 
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on a more serious note..

when i was livin on the streets, i was always using ppl and using my family for free handouts. then they started to play tough love with me and i had to work for what i got. it works, it worked for me and i've seen it work with other ppl around me. i think its the only thing that really gives the homeless ppl help that they really need, if they want to help themselves. others already have their mind set to depend on others though and never want to change, and to keep getting free handouts for the rest of their life. i still know peeps that get it like that. im not one that has never helped out the homeless and turn my back on them, hell no, but you gotta play tough love with them in order for them to get out of their situations or else they will never get the help they truly need. free handouts keeps them at bay. they gotta want to help themselves out too. if not it only makes it that much harder. theyre gonna have to meet you half way or else you can forget about them ever livin off the streets. how do you change peeps who doesnt want to change for themselves? ya feel? you can give them 10,000k they'll blow it in a couple months and end right back to point A. its their mind set that plays the bigger roll in homelessness not the government or their family. it doesnt matter who governed them, or who raised them, its you. i give out handouts like clothes and food, not money cuz i know that will go to drugs and alcohol. shit they need to stay off of, if they're ever to get out of there problem. you almost have to be there with them every step of the way to get them out of their situation cuz they dont act responsible and they will drift away.
 
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the majority of the homeless are mentally ill, how are they going to help themselfs? ... also i know a huge percentage of them are veterans (support the troops!!!)
 
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the Poverello House (sp) in fresno seems like a good idea. (probly nitro and/or nefar can go more into detail about it. i just know bits and pieces that i hear about it on the local news channels)



but what SF does just pisses me off. giving a homeless person a handout of $400 a month is a waste of money and a waste of a life.
 
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I don't have nothin against homeless people...just the ones who ask for things. They should go get thier own sh. When I had nothing...I took it...didn't ask people or hold some punk ass sign up.
 
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^^^NO! We should take away all programs, and strip them naked and watch them stay warm by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps, and becoming the next great rags to riches success stories...because, by golly, this is america, and anyone can make it here...even people who are clinically insane and have been cast out by society.......
....have you ever seen a homeless person Mclean?...Let alone talked to one?
 
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^^^
clownin'
although, I'm gonna bet the answer is no...
It's crazy though I still see the same bums infront of the QFC by my parents house that have been there for the past 20 some odd years...
Like Pac said 'some things will never change'