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Sicc OG
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I dont post much on this board ( I read 99% more than I post ) and on the older 91siccness boards I've been the same way. Anyway I've been reading more latley and it seems that the people who come to this board have a more and better knowledge of recording and gear in general than has been the case in the past. Now let me bring up this issue, ok you know gear you can record tracks you can mix etc... etc.... etc... but when it come to applying effects ( Compression, limiting, gating desseing, reverb etc.. ) how much do you really know about them. Do you use the standard presets that come with them or do you really know what makes them up and how to use each individaul componant?? Lets say your using a compressor do you know what "ratio' is and how it relates to actually compressing the sound? Threshold? Gain make up?? I've just been wondering this for awhile now. I've taken many lession's in pro studio's to expand my knowledge of the studio and gear, and I think that for many young cats in the game it will benifit you 100% to do the same. And yes I can use most effects on my own, I hardley ever use presets anymore ( except maybe waves L1 16 bit mastering preset seems to work good on its own ) but at the same time I am limited to vocals for the most part. I'm expanding little by little for guitars drums bass, etc.... Just wondering what ya'll cats know or dont know....
 
HERESY

HERESY

THE HIDDEN HAND...
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tech wise the main 3 guys would be kev ski,sic wid it and myself. now if you would like to talk about buss compression,routing,and how an equalizer and a compressor can be used as a de-esser we can. as far as micing drums i know how to mic a full drum kit. for my album i had songs with live bass and electric guitar. we recorded DIRECT and we MICED the cabinet. the reason for doing this was so i could choose which versions to run with and to see how the sound changed.

im a TECH HEAD. hi pass filters ,sweepable mids,low pass filters,graphic parametric etc etc etc. whatever it is i can hold a convo about it and dialog about it (which is why im often asked for help on this board and other boards).

eqing reverb pre or post fade? 4:1 or limiting for compression? hard knee or soft?

microphone placement,room acoustics,proper location for monitors etc etc etc......its nothing to me.

15 ips or 30? half or quarter? 1 or 2 inch? noise reduction or not?

its a difference between TALKING about this stuff and actually DOING it. i know for a FACT that i can do it and i am CURRENTLY doing it. same thing goes for KEV SKI and SIC WID IT.

eq style? i use little or no eq. only to give something its own frequency range. when i do eq its a combo of boosting and cutting with more cutting. i try to get the mix dounding good with just the pan pots and faders.

i also know where certain instruments are on the frequency range as well as where NOTES are located in the frequency spectrum.

for fx i dont really use pre sets. i will take a pre set and tweek it to my tastes. same with sounds from a synth or sound module. i often find myself placing reverb on............wait.........

no more freebies......



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Wise Mind

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good topic

I got a little knowledge, but I aint on yall level *YET*

Theres like three studios i got access to out here in Santa Ana, I've worked with a lot of equipment (mostly keyboards) but i never really asked them serious questions about any form of music production. i just go in there slap on some headphones, and just fuck around with it for a lil bit. I never do beats in another mans studio, you know how it is sometimes.
I got my own little dungeon. The basics, A keyboard, drum machine, and a sound card. thats it

To gain my wisdom though, I do plan on goin to a music college, fall semester starting in 2 weeks. Im hella anxious to get my hands on their gear, they got so much shit. No joke. It looks like some deep comprehensive training in there. I'll definately enjoy the challenge and the art of music.

stay up
 
Mr. Samos

Mr. Samos

Sicc OG
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Re: good topic

Wise Mind said:
I got a little knowledge, but I aint on yall level *YET*

Theres like three studios i got access to out here in Santa Ana, I've worked with a lot of equipment (mostly keyboards) but i never really asked them serious questions about any form of music production. i just go in there slap on some headphones, and just fuck around with it for a lil bit. I never do beats in another mans studio, you know how it is sometimes.
I got my own little dungeon. The basics, A keyboard, drum machine, and a sound card. thats it

To gain my wisdom though, I do plan on goin to a music college, fall semester starting in 2 weeks. Im hella anxious to get my hands on their gear, they got so much shit. No joke. It looks like some deep comprehensive training in there. I'll definately enjoy the challenge and the art of music.

stay up
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I want to take courses as a recording engineer also but i heard its really expensive i don't think i will beable to afford it, maybe if i start saving now and go like 5 years from now since im still in highschool it might work but damn why does it have to cost so much. In the meantime imma stay hungry for knowledge on mixing & mastering and if im with some experts best beleive i'll be askin a shitload of questions that are important & absolutely essential to a amatuer like myself . About EQ & reverb n shit, normally i listen to allot of songs with good mixing and i listen closely to the vocals... i mimic the reverb and try to perfect it.. EQ;in isn't even needed, and allot of the times if your recording a demo at home persay and your taking it to a real good studio to get it mastered, the engineers want it raw most of the time! so putting effects, presets n shit on it for a premastered audio really is not needed... im just sayin this cause allot of cats go this way, they record at home and take it in to a profesional studio after. Asfar as knowledge goes... its internal.. never-ending... just allways learning something new , new effective techniques etc.. i think true knowledge and skill comes from experience..trial & error... classes on the other hand are excelent.. they give you the fundamentals and create a path for future knowledge eating! But allot of the pros in the industry today... learned from scratch... learned from pretty much living in a studio... cause back in the day peeps was poor and we still are... and allways will be... so theres no other way to learn but hands on expirience... over time with trial and error... thats the pah im taking right now and will be for awhile.


peace

pz
 
MOESES SOULRIGHT THE 2nd

MOESES SOULRIGHT THE 2nd

Young Moe
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hey heresay...how bout a playa pays you for some lessons?
just let me sit on some work your doing...and teach me some stuff as your going along?
i'm about to invest 7 g's into a compltely new studio (minus my microhphone and Roland XP-60)
i really don't wanna be one of these cats who blows money on equipment i can't use...as i have in the past ammitedly...

let me know folks
 
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Sicc OG
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I have been takin' classes at the local Community college for about a year, and I must say that I have acquired a grip of knowledge. But there is always more to learn. Someone will ask me the simplest question and I'll start goin' off on it, you know goin' into the details. And people are like "dude, you lost me from tha start"
 
HERESY

HERESY

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READ READ READ!!!!!!!! and apply that knowledge to what you are using or recording with. i dont care if its a 1 track machine with a radio shack mic. read and apply. read and apply. if i had a chance to go to school for this i WOULD. would it be a breeze for me to take the courses and pass? yep. for all of you who are going to school for music go ahead and get that game. make the MOST out of it and SOAK it up because this IS a BUSINESS and we are ALL in competetion. my boy goes to EXPRESSIONS. i help HIM with HIS homework...........go figure.

schools will teach you HOW to turn the knobs. will they teach you WHEN to turn the knobs?

im just waiting for sic or kev to drop something. sic has been SILENT these days.


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G-3

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Everyone is postin' up good points. Outside of hittin' a recording school, and or reading about music technology, you can also try to get on at a good local studio through their internship program. Most of the "bigger" studios pick up interns because it is for the most part usually slave labor (free work). You can end up doin anything from answering phones, making a run to Burger King, to learning how to mic a drum kit. You learn the most when one of the rooms isn't booked, and you get turned loose to start twistin knobs.

I did a 6 month internship after work at a local spot, and picked up a lot of good knowledge. If you get on somewhere, and show them cat's you're hungry to work... you'll get a lot of opportunity to learn.

Peace,

G3

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kev ski

Sicc OG
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been busy writing a movie script,yeah i got everything done in time,i have two more projects to finnish,a mexican group that just got picked up by universal,and tre-8's album that on apt3,im gonna master choppa's from triple beam then thats it

how you been? ill try to stop by this weekend

peace
 
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