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Economist says `now is the time' to discuss a North American dollar
January 03, 2007
Tara Perkins
business reporter

If Canadians are going to debate the idea of a single North American currency, "now is the time it should be on the table," according to the chief economist at Toronto Dominion Bank.

"If we're going to have the debate about doing it, one would want to do it when the Canadian dollar is relatively strong, because you wouldn't be locking in such a large standard-of-living loss," Don Drummond said yesterday in an interview.

In economist language, CIBC World Markets economist Benjamin Tal said there is a direct negative correlation between the value of the Canadian dollar and how much people talk about a North American currency.

"When the dollar is lower, everybody's talking about it. Now, nobody's talking about it," Tal said.

Europe's common currency, the euro, celebrated its fifth anniversary Monday, soaring to a record high against the yen. The euro rose more than 11 per cent versus the U.S. dollar in 2006.

Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal and Spain began using euro notes and coins in 2002. Slovenia begins using the euro this month, bringing the population of the euro zone to 316.6 million.

But not all of those people were in the mood to celebrate the euro's anniversary this year.

A survey released by the European Commission found "although a clear majority (68 per cent) are happy with the single currency, there remains a lingering but distinct feeling that it has increased prices." That perception "is clearly not borne out by the facts since inflation has stood at only slightly above 2 per cent," the commission said.

Surveys also show it is taking time for people to adjust. More than 50 per cent calculate their day-to-day purchases in euros, but more than 20 per cent still count in the old currency.

For big purchases, such as a house or car, 40 per cent still count in the old currency.

But many economists and politicians are declaring the euro a qualified success.

Joaquin Almunia, the European Commissioner for economic and monetary affairs, said last week "the euro has brought us many advantages: the most obvious are that it has given us a level of inflation and interest rates which, for many countries, has never been so low for so long; it has spared us the exchange rate crises and market speculation that at times engulfed the old currencies; because it is stable and strong, it makes our imports cheaper – including oil; it has increased trade and investment within the zone, making us less dependent on the outside world; it has made travelling easier and cheaper; and it has increased price transparency and, therefore, competition."

Drummond agreed the euro has helped with inflation, boosted trade within the euro block and attracted foreign direct investment.

Tal added the euro has been surprisingly resilient and the European Central Bank, or ECB, has been successful in maintaining price stability and consistent monetary policy "in an environment in which you have different economies, like Ireland, which is booming, and Germany, which has not been booming until recently.

"Many people were very skeptical about the euro, in terms of their ability to conduct monetary policy," he said. "The first two years were really a disaster, the euro went down significantly. But it recovered.

"If there's one failure, it's the inability of the euro to create the right conditions for a more supportive, more balanced environment for economic growth," Tal said.

"The euro was not able to help to create a situation in which governments and corporations can tackle the structural problems facing Europe, mainly the large economies like France and Germany, we still see a very rigid labour market, very limited potential growth."

Drummond agreed the euro has shone a spotlight on structural problems in the economies.

"The other thing that could have happened, and as yet has not happened, is the euro being a rival for the U.S. as a reserve currency to the world," Drummond said.

The two largest holders of excess savings – China and the OPEC nations – "hold more of their reserves in euros than I think that they would have done if they were just picking up individual pieces, but I really don't think it's even remotely close to rivalling the U.S. dollar," Drummond said.

The total value of euro banknotes in circulation almost tripled from 221 billion euros in January 2002 to 595 billion euros in October 2006. Between 10 and 20 per cent of that is used outside of the euro area, according to the ECB.

The euro's "use as a parallel currency for international payment transactions, for savings purposes or simply as payment in tourist areas throughout the world" is increasing, the European Commission states.

Drummond believes the euro could still be a threat to the U.S. dollar's international standing.

"I think the view is that the U.S. dollar is going to go down in its value, and it will probably go down against the euro, so that might make it more attractive over time," he said.

And Tal said there are signs the euro is gaining strength as an international currency.

When North Korea test-fired a missile last year, "in the Pentagon, they were following the trajectory of the missile. We were following the trajectory of the euro versus the dollar," Tal said. "And guess what? The euro improved that day."

"I think that's the reflection of a market that is starting to believe that the euro is a stable reserve currency," he said. "Usually in this type of situation, the minute it happens the dollar is the one to go up."

Russia, China and the OPEC nations are beginning to talk about diversifying their reserves into euros, Tal added.

So, if you believe the single currency has been a good thing for Europe, could it be a good thing for North America?

"If you go back to FTA and then NAFTA," Drummond said, "the Number 1 premise behind those from a Canadian perspective was a message to the world: `Locate in Canada and you have free unfettered access to the wealthiest market in the world.'

"That was true to some extent, but you've had two irritations. One, you don't have a common currency, so you have exchange rate risk if you're operating in Canada. The second is the border difficulties.

"Clearly, a common currency, or at least a linked currency, would address one of those two," Drummond said.

Tal argued "the costs of a single currency and the loss of monetary policy independence outweigh the benefits.

"One of the reasons why people say we need one currency is that Canada and the U.S. belong in the same economic climate," he said. "But I would say that even in Canada you don't have the same economic climate. The difference between Alberta and Ontario is much more severe than the difference between Germany and Portugal," he said, adding the Canadian economy has been outperforming the United States.


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This will be our new Currency folks, I mean your currency mohohahaha

 
Aug 15, 2003
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i ain't carring a pouch full of coins, nope never. wouldn't you have to skip along if you had a pouch, forget that. i keep my dollars in the bank anyways.

alright i'm up, nah i'm not switching money with other countries by choice, they gonna make do something like that. To me this is an evil scheme by something we can't control and thats our greed. instead of reaching our hands out for other peoples money, we need to try and do something with ours then just spend it on tv's and guns. The rest of the world is pushing us on the edge, but if we are patient it will all come back around.

another thing to think about is our dollar is green. Green is a neutral color, do you think that has alot to do about economy? If this goes threw, whats the next color of money?
 

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GRRRRREAT. Just one more step in the wrong direction....banks are already trying to do away with checks, which is why they give people CHECK cards....and those fuckin check/debit cards are what they are hoping will replace PAPER MONEY....my uncle knows some bitch that works at a bank, and she was spilling the beans apparently...

Canada is a SEPARATE country, NOT apart of the US...this isnt' fucking Europe. Americans are supposed to be about America, not "let's mesh with the fuckin Canucks".....

If this happens, I hope everyone gets the bird flu.
 
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GRRRRREAT

If this happens, I hope everyone gets the bird flu.

Wrong choice of words there amigo, it should be When this happens. Because you know, I know and every mind on this board knows that this is bound to happen... sooner or later
 
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I see only good things with an American Currency. Canada, the US, and the non-socialist/commie Latin American countries.
 
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When a North American currency is announced, Troll, westbaygiant, Heresy, INPUT, and several others will retreat from this board to launch a counter-insurgency. Oh and PS Mista Murder will cast a magickly magikal Magicks spell to protect them.

The target will be the NWO, Henry Kissinger, Alien Sheep that are controlling the White House, Sheep Aliens who are controlling the Fed Bank Rate, Jews who are controlling the parking garages, and an unnamed Caribbean man.

They will launch a gorilla-style raid on a tin shack in Fresno which the feds WANT us to believe is a second-rate meth lab. In fact, the Caribbean man inside sending federal agents Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Kim Jong Il and Robin Williams secret radio messages about which other terrorist attacks to stage.

The master plan behind these attacks is a complex conspiracy in order to convince Americans to weld toasters to their heads for the purpose of the global elites being able to stick pieces of bread in the mouth of the average American, flip a switch, and have a warm and toasty Thomas' English muffin or perhaps an Eggo in less than a minute.

God speed them and let us pray they are successful.
 

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iaoish said:
Wrong choice of words there amigo, it should be When this happens. Because you know, I know and every mind on this board knows that this is bound to happen... sooner or later
Point well taken, thanks for the correction.


White Devil, I didn't know you cared so much to include my name! I'm glad you think about me even when I haven't said SHIT to you in the past few months...fuckin SQUARE!