Will We Fight Civil War II Over The Southwest U.S.?

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i want to know what you guys think of this article, i heard it from
chicanos activists, and now from a rightwinger...you think this
might happen!?!?

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Will We Fight Civil War II Over The Southwest U.S.?

By
Allan C. Stover


Toogood Reports [Tuesday, November 19, 2002; 12:01 a.m. EST]
URL: http://ToogoodReports.com/

America is in danger of being torn apart in a second civil war. Every
schoolchild knows (or at least they once knew, before education became more
indoctrination than learning) that our bloody Civil War was fought because
the Confederate States wanted to secede from the Union. Our Pledge of
Allegiance reminds us that we are one indivisible nation.

All of that could change. There is a serious movement among Mexicans and
Americans of Mexican descent to take over the Southwest and turn it into a
state of Mexico or an independent nation. The region, merged with northern
Mexican provinces in one version and with all of Mexico in another, is
called Aztlan, after the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, or La Republica
del Norte – Republic of the North. Activist Charles Truxillo, Professor of
Chicano Studies at the University of New Mexico, says the new nation would
include California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and southern Colorado. In
an Associated Press report, Truxillo says the new nation should be
established “by any means necessary.”

Another activist, Professor Armando Navarro, Department Chair of Ethnic
Studies, University of California, Riverside, in a speech to Chicano
activists, said that those young people “are really going to be in a
position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all
about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, and even in
the terms of the idea of an Aztlan!”

The website In Search of Aztlan says, “economic control of our lives and
our communities can only come about by driving the exploiter out of our
communities, our pueblos, and our lands.” The exploiter, of course, is
non-Hispanic America. “Lands rightfully ours will be fought for and
defended.”

They also want money, “Restitution for past economic slavery, political
exploitation, ethnic, cultural and psychological destruction and denial of
civil and human rights.” So we now have an Hispanic version of reparations.
“For the very young there will no longer be acts of juvenile delinquency,
but revolutionary acts.” Mug an elderly white lady and become a
revolutionary?

Chicanos already have their own nation within our nation. Maria Hsia Chang,
Professor of Political Science, University of Nevada, Reno, notes in her
paper, Multiculturalism, Immigration and Aztlan: “Today, there are reasons
to believe that Chicanos as a group are unlike previous immigrants in that
they are more likely to remain unassimilated and unintegrated, whether by
choice or circumstance—resulting in the formation of a separate
quasi-nation within the United States.”

The website La Voz de Aztlan notes the similarities between their people,
whom they call La Raza, and Palestinians. “The primary one of course is the
fact that both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders
that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories.
The takeover of our respective lands by foreign elements occurred 100 years
apart.” The American lands at the time were populated 80-90% American
settlers and until then ignored by the Mexican government.

Aztlan is more than an idle threat from a few crackpots. Former California
Assembly Speaker Antonio Villaraigosa, who narrowly lost his bid for mayor
of Los Angeles, and Lt. Governor Cruz Bustamante are quoted prominently on
separatist websites. Young Hispanics are becoming increasingly radicalized,
and the idea of creating their own Hispanic nation inspires them to join
the movement.

A California school textbook, “The Mexican American Heritage,” has a
redrawn map of Mexico and the United States, with Aztlan encompassing
Mexico and “repatriated” U. S. states, including Colorado, California,
Arizona, Texas, Utah, New Mexico, Oregon and parts of Washington.

Los Angeles Mayor James Hahn told Mexico's President Vincente Fox, “Our
city is a Mexican city.” Those were sweet words to Aztlan activists, who
consider Los Angeles the capital city of Aztlan. Mario Obledo, co-founder
of the Mexican-American Legal Defense Fund, stated publicly, “California is
going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave.”
Obledo also predicted that Hispanics would be a majority in California by
2003, a possibility considering the rate of legal and illegal immigration.

The flow of 1.3 million immigrants each year into the U. S. provides more
and more advocates. Most legal and illegal immigrants come from Mexico. A
recent Zogby poll commissioned by Americans for Immigration Control found
that almost sixty percent of Mexicans believe the Southwest United States
belongs to Mexico. Fifty-seven percent said that Mexicans have the right to
cross the border into the U. S. without permission. The Federation for
American Immigration Reform quotes Census Bureau statistics that we will
have 400 million people living in America by 2050, the increase completely
due to immigration. By then, we will have an Hispanic Southwest. That´s why
activists fight initiatives for English in the schools, why they promote
Spanish classrooms (camouflaged under the name “bilingual education”), and
why they fight for unrestricted immigration. They need more foot soldiers.

Americans have tried to fight back. Californians voted overwhelmingly for
Proposition 187 denying government services to illegal aliens. Art Torres,
chairman of the California Democrat Party, responded: “Proposition 187 was
the last gasp of white America in California.”

What will the United States do if a restive Hispanic majority in the
Southwest United States takes action to secede? The secessionists have
compared themselves to Palestinians, so we could find ourselves under siege
as the Israelis are now. Although Professor Truxillo doubts that civil war
would be necessary, he didn´t dismiss the idea. Another civil war is what
we would have if we refused to surrender those states to Aztlan or La
Republica del Norte or whatever they call it. It´s either that or give a
part of America away as readily as Jimmy Carter gave away the Panama Canal.

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author,
you are invited to e-mail Allan at [email protected] .
 
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It's almost like the Nation of Islam back in the day. I see where the Hispanics are comming from. However there is NO WAY the United States is just going to give up the SouthWest. I think that is a little to far fetched.
 
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I AM AN AMERICAN who wont ever support anything like that. and those professors are talking out of their ass anyway. they are the reason there is so much hate towards america among some hispanics.

the Mexican people that lived in the northern territories that became the SW USA DID NOT WANT TO BE PART OF MEXICO. that is why Texas succedded from Mexico to begin with.

if you really believe that shit will happen 1 day nefar559 you are mistaken.

GOD BLESS AMERICA against any1 who raises arms against us
 
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i've always believed that one day there will be a revolution among minorities against those who oppress us(whites in general) but I think it will be more focused on the government instead of a specific race. I think that if we had another internal war it would be the people against the government. The reason could be anything from a protest against war that goes wrong to putting into effect martial law because of so called "terrorists" But as far as the SW leaving the union I don't think so. Unless someone was able to capture the military bases and multiple other aspects of the areas they would not have any atvantage over washington d.c
 
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nefar559 said:
i want to know what you guys think of this article, i heard it from
chicanos activists, and now from a rightwinger...you think this
might happen!?!?






I DOUBT IT WOULD , NO BODY WOULD BE HEARIN IT PEOPLE ARE STUCK IN THE WAY THEY THINK. THEY NEED A LEADER TO INSITE SOMETHING LIKE THIS , NO ONE WANTS TO LEAD, EVERYONE WANNA BE LED
 
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the aztec phrophized that the they would take back the land , other native cultures have similiar pridictions i'm pretty sure a north west tibe from what is now washington had the same belief
 
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Mcleanhatch said:
they are the reason there is so much hate towards america among some hispanics.
really?!?!? damn the shit you say.....please
tell me how this is true.


Mcleanhatch said:

the Mexican people that lived in the northern territories that became the SW USA DID NOT WANT TO BE PART OF MEXICO. that is why Texas succedded from Mexico to begin with.
with what you said above, think about this.

before the treaty of guadalupe.
the gringos immgratned to texas, had some conficts with the
government. some mexicans agreed with the gringos, and together they fought. it wasn't all of the mexcians, it was a few.


and the way it looks now, the same shit is happening again
but this time with mexican's coming into the US.




Mcleanhatch said:


if you really believe that shit will happen 1 day nefar559 you are mistaken.
lol...

if it not a problem then why did u'r rightwing buddie Allan C. Stover, even bother to mention it?!

Mcleanhatch said:


GOD BLESS AMERICA against any1 who raises arms against us
please stop saying such a dumb statement, we about to
kill some innocent ppl in iraq like we did in aghan
 
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nefar559 said:
before the treaty of guadalupe.
the gringos immgratned to texas, had some conficts with the
government. some mexicans agreed with the gringos, and together they fought. it wasn't all of the mexcians, it was a few.
dont act like there was alote am Mexicans there fact is there where more whites than mexicans (not including indians). of course there was some shiesty things going on by the American but they couldnt do it alone and got alote of help from the Mexicans that were there

nefar559 said:
and the way it looks now, the same shit is happening again
but this time with mexican's coming into the US.
not happening

nefar559 said:
if it not a problem then why did u'r rightwing buddie Allan C. Stover, even bother to mention it?!
i dont know stover, i have never heard of him at all until now!
 
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dont act like there was alote am Mexicans there fact is there where more whites than mexicans (not including indians). of course there was some shiesty things going on by the American but they couldnt do it alone and got alote of help from the Mexicans that were there



not happening



i dont know stover, i have never heard of him at all until now!
u'r first statement...."dont act"...LMAO

second statemetn....that prolly what the amercans said when
the went to texas.

third statement....if u even bother to read the article, it was leaning towards the right.
 
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nefar559 said:
third statement....if u even bother to read the article, it was leaning towards the right.
1. and what does that have to do with anything that i said. i said nothing about the article (i think).

2. you said he was my buddy a right-winger.

3. and i simply said that i have never heard of him ever until now. but if you wish to enlighten me on how it leaned to the right. go right ahead
 
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Mcleanhatch said:


1. and what does that have to do with anything that i said. i said nothing about the article (i think).

2. you said he was my buddy a right-winger.

3. and i simply said that i have never heard of him ever until now. but if you wish to enlighten me on how it leaned to the right. go right ahead


lol, don't get offended whenever i say "rightwing'..i'm just saying
it...cause to me, it seems that you didn't read article.
the article was saying this shit on a negative way to his
conservative buddies....and who knows if any of the info
provided was correct.


JAJAJAJAJAJA!!, read the article/thread, if u gonna reply!!!
 
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nefar559 said:
lol, don't get offended whenever i say "rightwing'..i'm just saying it...cause to me, it seems that you didn't read article.
i wasnt offended, i just have never heard of him ever.

nefar559 said:
JAJAJAJAJAJA!!, read the article/thread, if u gonna reply!!!
i did read it. and only only semi-agree with the she/professor from reno.

this part i agree with:

Chicanos already have their own nation within our nation. Maria Hsia Chang,
Professor of Political Science, University of Nevada, Reno, notes in her
paper, Multiculturalism, Immigration and Aztlan: “Today, there are reasons
to believe that Chicanos as a group are unlike previous immigrants in that
they are more likely to remain unassimilated and unintegrated, whether by
choice or circumstance