Why Venezuela has Voted Again for Their 'Negro e Indio' President

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Why Venezuela has Voted Again for Their 'Negro e Indio' President
By Greg Palast, (August 16, 2004)

There's so much BS and baloney thrown around about Venezuela that I may be violating some rule of US journalism by providing some facts. Let's begin with this: 77% of Venezuela's farmland is owned by 3% of the population, the 'hacendados.'

I met one of these farmlords in Caracas at an anti-Chavez protest march. Oddest demonstration I've ever seen: frosted blondes in high heels clutching designer bags, screeching, "Chavez - dic-ta-dor!" The plantation owner griped about the "socialismo" of Chavez, then jumped into his Jaguar convertible.

That week, Chavez himself handed me a copy of the "socialist" manifesto that so rattled the man in the Jag. It was a new law passed by Venezuela's Congress which gave land to the landless. The Chavez law transferred only fields from the giant haciendas which had been left unused and abandoned.

This land reform, by the way, was promoted to Venezuela in the 1960s by that Lefty radical, John F. Kennedy. Venezuela's dictator of the time agreed to hand out land, but forgot to give peasants title to their property.

But Chavez won't forget, because the mirror reminds him. What the affable president sees in his reflection, beyond the ribbons of office, is a "negro e indio" -- a "Black and Indian" man, dark as a cola nut, same as the landless and, until now, the hopeless. For the first time in Venezuela's history, the 80% Black-Indian population elected a man with skin darker than the man in the Jaguar.

So why, with a huge majority of the electorate behind him, twice in elections and today with a nearly two-to-one landslide victory in a recall referendum, is Hugo Chavez in hot water with our democracy-promoting White House?

Maybe it's the oil. Lots of it. Chavez sits atop a reserve of crude that rivals Iraq's. And it's not his presidency of Venezuela that drives the White House bananas, it was his presidency of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, OPEC. While in control of the OPEC secretariat, Chavez cut a deal with our maximum leader of the time, Bill Clinton, on the price of oil. It was a 'Goldilocks' plan. The price would not be too low, not too high; just right, kept between $20 and $30 a barrel.

But Dick Cheney does not like Clinton nor Chavez nor their band. To him, the oil industry's (and Saudi Arabia's) freedom to set oil prices is as sacred as freedom of speech is to the ACLU. I got this info, by the way, from three top oil industry lobbyists.

Why should Chavez worry about what Dick thinks? Because, said one of the oil men, the Veep in his bunker, not the pretzel-chewer in the White House, "runs energy policy in the United States."

And what seems to have gotten our Veep's knickers in a twist is not the price of oil, but who keeps the loot from the current band-busting spurt in prices. Chavez had his Congress pass another oil law, the "Law of Hydrocarbons," which changes the split. Right now, the oil majors - like PhillipsConoco - keep 84% of the proceeds of the sale of Venezuela oil; the nation gets only 16%.

Chavez wanted to double his Treasury's take to 30%. And for good reason. Landless, hungry peasants have, over decades, drifted into Caracas and other cities, building million-person ghettos of cardboard shacks and open sewers. Chavez promised to do something about that.

And he did. "Chavez gives them bread and bricks," one Venezuelan TV reporter told me. The blonde TV newscaster, in the middle of a publicity shoot, said the words "pan y ladrillos" with disdain, making it clear that she never touched bricks and certainly never waited in a bread line.

But to feed and house the darker folk in those bread and brick lines, Chavez would need funds, and the 16% slice of the oil pie wouldn't do it. So the President of Venezuela demanded 30%, leaving Big Oil only 70%. Suddenly, Bill Clinton's ally in Caracas became Mr. Cheney's -- and therefore, Mr. Bush's -- enemy.

So began the Bush-Cheney campaign to "Floridate" the will of the Venezuela electorate. It didn't matter that Chavez had twice won election. Winning most of the votes, said a White House spokesman, did not make Chavez' government "legitimate." Hmmm. Secret contracts were awarded by our Homeland Security spooks to steal official Venezuela voter lists. Cash passed discreetly from the US taxpayer, via the so-called 'Endowment for Democracy,' to the Chavez-haters running today's "recall" election.

A brilliant campaign of placing stories about Chavez' supposed unpopularity and "dictatorial" manner seized US news and op-ed pages, ranging from the San Francisco Chronicle to the New York Times.

But some facts just can't be smothered in propaganda ink. While George Bush can appoint the government of Iraq and call it "sovereign," the government of Venezuela is appointed by its people. And the fact is that most people in this slum-choked land don't drive Jaguars or have their hair tinted in Miami. Most look in the mirror and see someone "negro e indio," as dark as their President Hugo.

The official CIA handbook on Venezuela says that half the nation's farmers own only 1% of the land. They are the lucky ones, as more peasants owned nothing. That is, until their man Chavez took office. Even under Chavez, land redistribution remains more a promise than an accomplishment. But today, the landless and homeless voted their hopes, knowing that their man may not, against the armed axis of local oligarchs and Dick Cheney, succeed for them. But they are convinced he would never forget them.

And that's a fact.
 
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Apparently the election went smoothly and fraud-free.
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Observers endorse Venezuela vote results
Monitors: No evidence of fraud found



CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter and the head of the Organization of American States on Monday endorsed the results of Venezuela's recall referendum that President Hugo Chavez won.

"Our findings coincided with the partial returns announced today by the National Elections Council," Carter, one of the top election observers, told a joint news conference with OAS Secretary-General Cesar Gaviria.

The announcement appeared to deflate opposition claims of widespread fraud in the voting that began Sunday and ended early Monday.

The National Elections Council earlier announced its tally with 94 percent of the vote counted, showing Chavez surviving by a wide margin the opposition's effort to unseat him.

Francisco Carrasquero, president of the National Elections Council, earlier said 58 percent of voters voted "no" to the question of whether Chavez should immediately end his term in office, and 42 percent voted "yes."

"We have not found any element of fraud in the process," Gaviria said. "Until elements of fraud emerge we are not going put the results in doubt.

"If the opposition has a serious concern, we are willing to work with them, but not to put the results in doubt," said Gaviria.

Directing his remarks at opposition figures who have hit the airwaves to complain of fraud, Carter called on all Venezuelans to accept the results.

"Now it's the responsibility of all Venezuelans to accept the results and work together for the future," said Carter.
 
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If he won by a wide margin with 94 percent counted (+-6%), then assuming he won by double or triple that amount (12-18%) wouldn't be unreasonable. So I would guess he won by something around 60-70%...
 
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Top Ten Fraudulent Claims of Fraud in Venezuela
By Al Giordano,
Posted on Mon Aug 16th, 2004 at 12:43:07 PM EST
The losers of yesterday's referendum vote in Venezuela are not accepting the results that, according to official numbers, give a landslide mandate to President Hugo Chávez to push on with his Bolivarian revolution.
However, news reports that repeat these claims of election "fraud" are, not surprisingly, thin on details or hard facts to back up the claims.

Therefore, as a public service, Narco News has conducted an exhaustive search across the Internet and throughout the news media for the concrete accusations of those who claim "fraud" in yesterday's historic, record-turnout, vote. We present them to you, kind reader, so you can make up your own mind how substantive, or unsubstantive, the opposition claims are in reality.

All quotes guaranteed verbatim from the blogosphere and online news sites!


Top Ten Fraudulent Claims of Fraud in Venezuela
10. "Something rings funny in his (Chávez's) voice. I do not buy it."


- Daniel Duquenal, escualido blogger, petroleumworld.com
9. "They assigned us a number of votes that is inferior to that which we collected to request the referendum."


- Henry Ramos, spokesman, "Coordinadora Democratica," on Univision TV
8. "Jimmy Carter never met a dictator or a tyrant that he didn't like."


- Geroni, Caracaschronicles.com
7. "Today is a holiday in Venezuela, people are not supposed to work today... people are very vocal and there should be a general "mood" of festivities...."


- "Feathers," Caracaschronicles.com
6. "It doesn't seem logical… The silence of the observers draws notice… I have tried to locate the observers. I have called them but I get the answering machine. I don't know what is happening here."


- Teodoro Petkoff, editor, Tal Cual, on Union Radio, according to Christina Toro, Caracaschronicles.com
5. "Directors Sobella Mejias and Ezequiel Zamora were not present."


- Aleksander Boyd, Vcrisis.com (see footnote A)
4. "There is no way ... I walked all around Caracas, Talk to People on the street and Cleary Chavez was revoked. We need to SCREAM FRAUD !!!"


- Leo, Caracaschronicles.com
3. "The exit polls are showing a 20pt lead for the SI, and a source within the CC tells me that in 23 de enero the SI is running ahead 54/46; every single middle class neighborhood in Caracas is totally congested with voters who haven't voted yet (my companion just got out after 9.5 hrs in the line at Santa Paula, starting at 5:45am) and a chavista friend tells me he voted in 45 minutes -- the barrios populares have NO trouble voting.....and still the poor voters are voting down the NO." *


- Eric (Ekvall?), Caracaschronicles.com
2. "I saw how big the marcha was Aug. 12th... After that I knew that the SI vote had the numbers required..."


- Joe Summers, Caracaschronicle.com
1. "The CIA, the FBI, the BBC, the KGB, NBC, CBS, DVD, TNSLPPBNTSO and finally the CC/OAS mission. Plus ABC, CNN, FN, FT and the CD. Also polling: RCTV, VV, TV, RCR, UR, and a long etcetera of organizations. In short: people we know, and we don't have to disclose to anybody."


- Jose R. Mora, Caracaschronicles.com
NOTES:


A. Opposition election commissioners Mejias and Zamora missed the CNE meeting because they chose, instead, to hold a press conference disparaging the results before they had a chance to attend that meeting and see them with their own eyes.
B. "Eric" also said, in defense of his violation of Venezuelan law by publishing "exit poll" results (that, also, obviously, turned out to be fabricated):

"I never signed an oath not to divulge what I know, and what I 'know' comes from impeccable sources who might, just MIGHT, be playing me for a sucker so that I'll pas on this information and 'destabilize' this virtually capsized country already ....but I seriously doubt it. Take it for what it's worth, and lighten up, Fabiana. It's okay. The 'Nicaragua effect' worked here - in spades."

There you have it, kind readers: All the reasons given, so far, to not recognize the results of a fair and free electoral referendum!
 
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Giving unused/abandoned land to peasants = Good Idea. (And no, I am not being a smartass.) Why hasn't it worked as of yet? And please dont tell me Bush-Cheney-CIA is behind it......
 
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tadou said:
Giving unused/abandoned land to peasants = Good Idea. (And no, I am not being a smartass.) Why hasn't it worked as of yet? And please dont tell me Bush-Cheney-CIA is behind it......
Are you talking about Venezuela specifically or any country? And yes Tadou, Bush and friends have been funding the opposition.
 
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tadou said:
Giving unused/abandoned land to peasants = Good Idea. (And no, I am not being a smartass.) Why hasn't it worked as of yet? And please dont tell me Bush-Cheney-CIA is behind it......
Rich people usually don't like to give up land, unused or not, it tends to be hard to get them to give it up.

The Venezuelan way of land redistribution takes numerous runs through the legal system over long periods of time.

Once you do get rich ones to give up the unused land, poor people are often too scared to take the land or when they do take the land they are driven off by the former land owner and their private militia/gang.

So land redistribution then ends up taking even more time/effort/money because not only does the gov. have to go to court numerous times over a long period of time to force the land owner to give up the unused land, but then they have to send police/military to protect the poor people trying to put the land to use and enforce the law.

That's why it is taking a long time to fully complete.

Bush-Cheney-CIA are just friends with the big land owners and make it easier for them to buy weapons and help them bribe people when they want to have coups. Not really much that they do about land-redistribution as a specific issue, they are looking for the knock out not a judges' decision.

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Why Venezuela has Voted Again for Their 'Negro e Indio' President
By Greg Palast, (August 16, 2004)
For the record, "leftist" propagandists like this do more to turn people, that are educated on international relations, off than convince us of their opinions. Over simplification of EVERY single Bush foreign policy choice to be ONLY about oil, has gotten so far beyond old. It makes me wonder if A) someone's too lazy to write an article that would at least mention all the motives because it would take too long, too much work, and too much brain power or; B) if they just think people are too stupid to understand anything beyond these guys were in the oil business so everything they do now is about the oil business or; C) they are actually the stupid ones and are too stupid to understand anything beyond these guys were in the oil business so everything they do now is about the oil business

Then again it's good that someone's writing about what's going on outside of the AP or Reuters who just take the state dep. teletype and copy it word for word.
 
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Rich people usually don't like to give up land, unused or not, it tends to be hard to get them to give it up.

The Venezuelan way of land redistribution takes numerous runs through the legal system over long periods of time.

Once you do get rich ones to give up the unused land, poor people are often too scared to take the land or when they do take the land they are driven off by the former land owner and their private militia/gang.

So land redistribution then ends up taking even more time/effort/money because not only does the gov. have to go to court numerous times over a long period of time to force the land owner to give up the unused land, but then they have to send police/military to protect the poor people trying to put the land to use and enforce the law.

That's why it is taking a long time to fully complete.

Bush-Cheney-CIA are just friends with the big land owners and make it easier for them to buy weapons and help them bribe people when they want to have coups. Not really much that they do about land-redistribution as a specific issue, they are looking for the knock out not a judges' decision.
Ahh....for a second there, i thought you'd just say "Which could happen in any country" and leave it at that.....but you chose the Bush angle, once again. Fair enough.

Just one question: Why doesn't it EVER work? You can't tell me this idea has only just now sprung up once Bush took office.......what did Clinton, Carter, Kennedy or LBJ ever do to help it happen?
 
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Clinton, Carter, and LBJ? lmfao.

Your question is 1. preposterous, 2. nonsense.

In no way did Clinton, LBJ, or Kennedy have the ties to the oil industry that the Bush admin. does. Whatever foreign affairs they were involved in could not and were not traced back to private profiteering the way the Bush admin. actions can be.

While Clinton was in office we were subjected to a host of preposterous conspiracy theories (the "murder" of vincent foster, the whitewater debacle, "filegate", the death of three arkansas women) when in fact the dirt on the Bush administration exceeds exponentially anything they ever had on Clinton.

Why are Rush, Hannity, et al. silent? Because they don't know, don't wanna know, or don't care. Like you, tadou, they are inflexibile party-supporters.

Why not ask why LBJ did not propose internet spending increases?

Bush-Cheney-et al are the biggest collection of oligarchs ever to be in the seat of the president. 99% of policies coming out of the White House can be directly traced to the interests of some high-tier group, industry, or class.

What the public sees, the DOMA, NCLB, etc., are a very, very small piece of the pie.
 
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I can't stand rich people who don't wantta let others rise up enough even to survive.
Fuck the hypocritical US too always tryin 2 say we're the good guys N holdin others dwn
 
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tadou said:
Ahh....for a second there, i thought you'd just say "Which could happen in any country" and leave it at that.....but you chose the Bush angle, once again. Fair enough.

Wow you're waaaaaay too into this "it's all about Bush" bullshit. I answered 2 of your questions, one about land reform and one about Bush, you're the one that feels they should be tied together. Everything in the world does not revolve around U.S. republicans and democrats and pro/anti-Bush bickering don't be so full of yourself.

Meaning

The scenario i described for land redistribution DOES and DID happen in every Latin American country that's tried to do land reform in a similar fashion as Venezuela.

Like i said before:

"Not really much that they do about land-redistribution as a specific issue, they are looking for the knock out not a judges' decision."

Meaning they'd rather take out the whole social movement calling for land reform, not just deal with the one issue. Getting land reform off the table is just a + when they get their way and remove Chavez and his homies.

Like i said before:
"Bush-Cheney-CIA are just friends with the big land owners and make it easier for them to buy weapons and help them bribe people when they want to have coups."

tadou said:
Why doesn't it EVER work? You can't tell me this idea has only just now sprung up once Bush took office.......what did Clinton, Carter, Kennedy or LBJ ever do to help it happen?
Nothing, Nixon, Reagan, Ford, and Ike didn't do anything to help it either. THEY DON"T WANT LAND REFORM PERIOD! But they REALLY REALLY REALLY don't want the people around that would ever think up something like land reform. It's got nothing to do with what party they belong to in the U.S. they all don't want land reform. But like Bush they were all concerned about destroying entire social movements not just opposing single issues like land reform.

No wonder you have no grasp of what's going on in the world you can't even think outside of the republican/democrat box. That’s like “lefties” that can’t see beyond the Bush admin oil ties for foreign policy motives. Good luck!
 
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Dont tell me Bush-Cheney-CIA had anything to do with it == joke

Bush-Cheney-CIA are just friends with the big land owners and make it easier for them to buy weapons and help them bribe people when they want to have coups. Not really much that they do about land-redistribution as a specific issue, they are looking for the knock out not a judges' decision == serious

If anyone cannot see outside of the box, it is you, with your socialist, "only an American by location" mentality.
 
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tadou said:
Dont tell me Bush-Cheney-CIA had anything to do with it == joke
what IT are you even talking about?

"Dont tell me Bush-Cheney-CIA had anything to do with it == joke
Bush-Cheney-CIA are just friends with the big land owners and make it easier for them to buy weapons and help them bribe people when they want to have coups. Not really much that they do about land-redistribution as a specific issue, they are looking for the knock out not a judges' decision == serious
If anyone cannot see outside of the box, it is you, with your socialist, "only an American by location" mentality."

^^^ has got to be one of the worst replies i've seen on here in a while.

You've either got me confused with someone else or you're a straight up dumbass, or else you're someone's alias and they've been seriously slacking as of late because your posts are steady on decline.
 
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VIVA socialism!!!!
We need more of it
Yeah both Repubz n DemoZ R fucked up
The Repubz keep da poor poor cuz they don't want ta share N the Demoz do it 2 have some1 2 vote 4 em in the end though they all run in da same circles.
N in world affairs the rest of the world getz fucked up by both groupz