Why is Pro Tools considered "cheating"
- Thread starter MeloTrauma
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I can't remember the quote exactly word for word... but basically he said he's sick and tired of cats buying into pro tools and spending like $40,000 because it's flooding the market with garbage. It's true. People think because they got pro tools that means they're mix master flex. I think not. The market is flooded with garbage in the underground and above it. He's flat out right. I'm with Timbaland on this one, but I do have respect for those that actually spend that money and put out tight material... that to me is respect earned.
I don't think its "cheating" because it doesnt do ANYTHING special or different from the other sequencers. Can you use pro tools to AUTOMATICALLY pull chords from your head? NOPE. can you use pro tools to latch onto your fingers and play montuno? NOPE. can you use pro tools to automatically mix for you? NOPE. Simply put it's what YOU do with it (like MO-X said.) What does it do for you that you dont have to TELL it to do? Does it automatically SCAN your brain and map out track automation according to what you are thinking? NO! Does it automatically quantize and set groove templates WITHOUT ***you*** checking the appropraite boxes? NOPE! Does it track without clipping? No! YOU STILL HAVE TO PRACTICE PROPER TRACKING AND GAIN STAGING.
You can have pro tools, a neve an ssl or own the world's largest lab. It wont make a difference if the wrong buttons are being punched. I'm speaking from experience and $$$$$$$ down the drain due to a JANKY/FUCKED UP engineer who let his EGO get in the way of MY project. Does pro tools tell you WHEN to use that compressor? Does pro tools tell you WHEN to cut that frequency? HELL NO!!!!!! It's all on the person operating it. Now, I admit I purchased pro tools for several reasons.
1. I have experience with the program.
2.I go to a lot of studios that have it (so it's easy to import sessions etc etc etc)
3.The ***PAYING*** customers (in my area) DEMAND it. They want it so I purchased it no complaints from me.
4.I *NEEDED* a new audio interface/soundcard.
How has it made recording easier? Well you dont have to ride the faders. You can use automation. Does it do it for you "Automatically" NO! you have make it automate by writing the automation. Thats NO different from an ssl (or other boards) with flying faders, memory location etc etc etc. It does the SAME thing as a console but does it a DIFFERENT way.
I dont think pro tools is flooding the market with garbage. If EVERYONE has the SAME piece of gear its on YOU to do one of two things:
1.BYPASS the gear and get something DIFFERENT
2.LEARN the gear and use it YOUR way.
Should you blame korg or akai for every lame ass mpc/triton (trinity) beat that SATURATES the radio? If a person is sick of people buying into pro tools they should contact the avid/digidesign marketing and advertising department and tell them. They will politely hang up on the poor soul who decides to do so. That goes for Timbaland , HERESY and you (insert your name here.)
***MORE DAMAGE*** has been done with that damn triton/mpc combo compared to pro tools. How many people can afford a 40k pro tools rig? how many people can afford a triton and mpc? I don't see a lot of people rushing to buy pro tools, I see people rushing to buy tritons and mpc 4000s. To be honest they would save $$$$$$$$ and get a better setup IF they researched. I know someone who recently purchased a motif rack, mpc 4000, triton rack, midi controller and a pair of speakers. His computer is DEAD and he doesnt sample. Now I ask you Would his money be better spent on a digi 001 (or 002r) and custom made digidesign computer or mpc 4000?
Keep in mind that he's planning to do vocals/albums and wont be able to buy a new piece of gear (in the thousand dollar range) for around 8-12 months.
I disagree with timbaland on this one.
:HGK:
PS IM NOT BACK!!!!!!!!
You can have pro tools, a neve an ssl or own the world's largest lab. It wont make a difference if the wrong buttons are being punched. I'm speaking from experience and $$$$$$$ down the drain due to a JANKY/FUCKED UP engineer who let his EGO get in the way of MY project. Does pro tools tell you WHEN to use that compressor? Does pro tools tell you WHEN to cut that frequency? HELL NO!!!!!! It's all on the person operating it. Now, I admit I purchased pro tools for several reasons.
1. I have experience with the program.
2.I go to a lot of studios that have it (so it's easy to import sessions etc etc etc)
3.The ***PAYING*** customers (in my area) DEMAND it. They want it so I purchased it no complaints from me.
4.I *NEEDED* a new audio interface/soundcard.
How has it made recording easier? Well you dont have to ride the faders. You can use automation. Does it do it for you "Automatically" NO! you have make it automate by writing the automation. Thats NO different from an ssl (or other boards) with flying faders, memory location etc etc etc. It does the SAME thing as a console but does it a DIFFERENT way.
I dont think pro tools is flooding the market with garbage. If EVERYONE has the SAME piece of gear its on YOU to do one of two things:
1.BYPASS the gear and get something DIFFERENT
2.LEARN the gear and use it YOUR way.
Should you blame korg or akai for every lame ass mpc/triton (trinity) beat that SATURATES the radio? If a person is sick of people buying into pro tools they should contact the avid/digidesign marketing and advertising department and tell them. They will politely hang up on the poor soul who decides to do so. That goes for Timbaland , HERESY and you (insert your name here.)
***MORE DAMAGE*** has been done with that damn triton/mpc combo compared to pro tools. How many people can afford a 40k pro tools rig? how many people can afford a triton and mpc? I don't see a lot of people rushing to buy pro tools, I see people rushing to buy tritons and mpc 4000s. To be honest they would save $$$$$$$$ and get a better setup IF they researched. I know someone who recently purchased a motif rack, mpc 4000, triton rack, midi controller and a pair of speakers. His computer is DEAD and he doesnt sample. Now I ask you Would his money be better spent on a digi 001 (or 002r) and custom made digidesign computer or mpc 4000?
Keep in mind that he's planning to do vocals/albums and wont be able to buy a new piece of gear (in the thousand dollar range) for around 8-12 months.
I disagree with timbaland on this one.
:HGK:
PS IM NOT BACK!!!!!!!!
I dont agree but I understand what people mean when they say protools is cheating. You have to bring yourself back to when protools wasn't around, (like 12 years ago). Records used to be made, and still are, on 2" analog tape so you had to play something right in a pass with a few punches. Protools and other DAW's have given us the freedom to sonicaly masturbate over a gillion tracks and cut it together later. Yes, the industry is flooded with crap but as a working engineer, I couldn't live without it....record budgets these days don't alow for 3 months in the studio to have a mediocre artist lay 2" all day.
Peace,
G
Supaslump Masters
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Peace,
G
Supaslump Masters
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot.....the reason protools has the rep it does (as compared
to other systems like cubase and whatnot) is that if you are working at The Record Plant, spending 2g's/day you need a solid pro turnkey system to garauntee that you wont waste the labels money for down time at 2 g's/day. I recently switched to Nuendo because Digidesign failed to provide me tech support when I needed it in a studio like I mentioned earlier. I still think protools is the shit but Nuendo is even better.....
to other systems like cubase and whatnot) is that if you are working at The Record Plant, spending 2g's/day you need a solid pro turnkey system to garauntee that you wont waste the labels money for down time at 2 g's/day. I recently switched to Nuendo because Digidesign failed to provide me tech support when I needed it in a studio like I mentioned earlier. I still think protools is the shit but Nuendo is even better.....
COMPUTERS PERIOD!!!!!!!!
PRO TOOLS IS A GOOD PROGRAM THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE NORM IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY! BY USIN PRO TOOLS YOU CAN TAKE WHOLE PROJECT ELSEWHERE TO BE MIXED,EDITED,ETC!!!!!!! ITS VERY WELL ADVERTISED! THE BEST!!!!!!! I DONT KNOW ABOUT THAT! I USE A PC AND A PROGRAM THAT COSTS 1/10 OF WHAT PRO TOOLS COST AND HAVE 64 TRACKS AT MY DISPOSAL!!!!! IF YOU WANT TO SAVE SOME MONEY JUST BUY DECENT COMPUTER,PROGRAM THAT SUITS YOU,MIC PRE AMP AND A DECENT MIC! LEARN HOW TO RECORD AND RENDEROUT SO THAT EVERYTHING STARS TOGETHER AND WALLA! YOUR GOOD TO GO AND COMPATIBLE WITH ANY COMPUTER,ANALOG OR DIGITAL SET UP ANYWHERE!!!!!! GUARENTEED!!!! 4 ABOUT $3,500 HUNDRED I COULD SET ANYONE UP WITH A FULL FUNCTIONING 64 TRACK STUDIO SET UP INCLUDING,MIC,PRE AMP,COMPUTER,MONITOR, AND SOFT WARE!!!!! HOLLA AT ME AT [email protected]
PRO TOOLS IS A GOOD PROGRAM THAT IS PRETTY MUCH THE NORM IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY! BY USIN PRO TOOLS YOU CAN TAKE WHOLE PROJECT ELSEWHERE TO BE MIXED,EDITED,ETC!!!!!!! ITS VERY WELL ADVERTISED! THE BEST!!!!!!! I DONT KNOW ABOUT THAT! I USE A PC AND A PROGRAM THAT COSTS 1/10 OF WHAT PRO TOOLS COST AND HAVE 64 TRACKS AT MY DISPOSAL!!!!! IF YOU WANT TO SAVE SOME MONEY JUST BUY DECENT COMPUTER,PROGRAM THAT SUITS YOU,MIC PRE AMP AND A DECENT MIC! LEARN HOW TO RECORD AND RENDEROUT SO THAT EVERYTHING STARS TOGETHER AND WALLA! YOUR GOOD TO GO AND COMPATIBLE WITH ANY COMPUTER,ANALOG OR DIGITAL SET UP ANYWHERE!!!!!! GUARENTEED!!!! 4 ABOUT $3,500 HUNDRED I COULD SET ANYONE UP WITH A FULL FUNCTIONING 64 TRACK STUDIO SET UP INCLUDING,MIC,PRE AMP,COMPUTER,MONITOR, AND SOFT WARE!!!!! HOLLA AT ME AT [email protected]