Why don;t yall support the Royals...............

jesse james · Aug 18, 2003

yall in 1st place and yall were playing the Twins, and only 19,000 people showed up for the game on sunday....................what gives, n STL we get avg of at least 30,000 a game easily...........we do even when the Cardinals suck..............
Sweeney is the shit...........

Heat Myser · Aug 18, 2003

Its not about support so much as it is population....

KC is much smaller than STL....so less people are going to consistently going to go to the games.

JLMACN · Aug 18, 2003

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32000 on fri...

30000 on sat...

sunday 103 degrees outside...no clouds = 19000 people...

yankess....home stand..
40000 = monday...
36000 = tueday
33000 = wed...

and you say we dont support the royals..

c'mon now...

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jesse james · Aug 18, 2003

I think your Stadium is in no man's land...................yall need some dancing chicks to like STL got..................your parking sucks too...............I wish we hand a hot tub thing in STL
people only went to see the Yankees..........I saw more Twins then Royals, not really but it seemed that way..............it was hella hot on Saturday too.............

Yall prices are at least reasonable , $20 and you at field level, $20 in STL nose bleeds.............

ENDelt260 · Aug 18, 2003

Well, I see JLMACN's already handled this.

ENDelt260 · Aug 18, 2003

jesse james said:

As far as the location of the stadium, I suppose that depends on where you're coming from. It's not far from my folks' house at all.

Parking sucks? How so?

JLMACN · Aug 18, 2003

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MY I AINT EVEN GONNA COMMENT ON WHEN I TOOK A WHOLE WEEKEND OUT TO GO SEE THE ROYALS PLAY IN STL...
YEA...LET METELL YOU...YOU ALL GOT THE PERFECT SET-UP...
TOOK ME AROUND 2 HRS...TO FINDPARKING...

(HEAR THE SARCASM IN MY WORDS)

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Heat Myser · Aug 18, 2003

I have been to 4 games this season.....2 were pretty full and 2 were damn near sold out.

shep · Aug 18, 2003

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JLMACN said:

i'll agree with you there..... unless you grew up at the stadium, which most st. louisans do, yu are gonna be confused on where to park

techn9nehq · Aug 18, 2003

you can't bitch about parking unless you've gone to a Cubs game.....try parking in someone's lawn 2 miles from Wrigley or taking the El from downtown.........if there is even a parking lot near your stadium, you're spoiled.

WTF is with the "no man's land" comment jessie james?

it's right next to I-70 and 435......2 of the most traveled interstates in KC....The sports complex is one of the easiest to get to in the united states. but i guess you have to be from KC to understand that :cheeky:

jesse james · Aug 18, 2003

what are u talking about can't find parking in STL? did not notice the big ass garage across the street from the stadium.....

no man's land, ain;t shit around it, looks like yall built in a cornfield................parking sucks, had to park on the other side of Arrowhead...........
I'm glad I ain;t from KC, I just want your women............
for as cheap as your tickets are , and being in first place for the 1 st time in how long??? there is no reason every game should not be filled up............
PR and Marketing Executive should be fired..............

techn9nehq · Aug 18, 2003

jesse james said:

it would be nice if there was a downtown stadium, or even a little shopping and resturant district like a Plaza by the stadiums, but I guess the city planners in the 70's weren't too hip to wanting to bring in huge revenue from a shopping community around the ball parks.

So i guess I feel you there, but Independence is just down the road, you just gotta know where you're goin.

About the parking......you went on a day when they had both a Royals game and a Chiefs game.......you're lucky you even got a parking spot.

TheVille31 · Aug 18, 2003

JLMACN sumed it up when he showed the attendence. Alot of games have been sold out or near. Shit, the stadium is easy to find. Go down I-70. Wow thats hard.

Parking... dont have a problem with that. Always get a good spot. But then again i go early to tailgate for chiefs games.

And your glad you dont live in KC just cuz of the stadium... how sad.

JLMACN · Aug 19, 2003

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jesse....
id rather be in first place one year....and keep my hopes up for the following year...

than be in first or incontention every year...and FAIL!!
(see...your Cardinals)

its funny you tryin to clown our venue..
but damn...you like 1 in a million...cause hella folks i know that come from out of town...luv the stadiums...
and the atmosphere......

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jesse james · Aug 19, 2003

I think it's in a fucked up spot, never said it was not a nice place and the fans are friendly, but most the ones I talked to wherrre from Minnesota.. ha ha ha ha

I feel that Mac: but I rather go then not go at all............

and there was not a Chief's game on Sunday........that game was Saturday........
Nick, Jmac, and Heat are the only ones with any intelligence on herrre sometimes.........Ville31 read before posting lil fella

ENDelt260 · Aug 19, 2003

So.... you went to a Royals game when only 19K attended and had trouble parking?

And you want to come on here and call other people stupid?

TheVille31 · Aug 19, 2003

this coming from a guy who started typing like

thurr
wherre

and all that shit after the whole chingy fad.

ENDelt260 · Aug 19, 2003

Since we're comparing ballparks, here's what ESPN has to say on the subject....

Diamond in the rough
By Eric Neel
Page 2 columnist

Editor's Note: This is the 20th report card in Page 2's summerlong series rating all 30 ballparks in Major League Baseball.

KANSAS CITY -- Like beauty pageant contestants and kindergarten kids, I wish first and foremost for world peace, of course. But my second most fervent wish for the world is that every kid from one to 92 at least once gets the chance to experience the kind of ballgame I experienced Monday night at Kauffman Stadium in Kansas City.

It was 82 and sunny at game time with a slight breeze sliding down from the northwest.

There were 40K-plus in the stands, all decked out in Royal-blue hats, shirts and face-paint, and all thirsty for the blood of the hated Yankees. The air buzzed and popped with shouts and chants for three hours straight.

The Yanks busted out to an early four-run lead, the Royals clawed back to tie it, the Yanks poked ahead, the Royals banged their way to a big lead, and finally the Yanks threatened, and almost pulled off, a late, spirit-crushing comeback.

The joint was August electric. The teams were amped -- New York with its top-dog pride and KC with its under-dog resolve -- and the fans (who've been waiting since '85 for something to believe in) were so crazily, desperately into it that by the sheer force of their will they made this little patch of grass just off I-70 in the middle of Missouri the undisputed center of the baseball universe.

Man, it was fun. Great game at a great park at a great time. I wish you all could have been there.

The ratings:

1. Access: It's a car thing -- a "people-will-come, Ray" line into the lot, and a slight jam on the way out. Some folks (mostly retirees by the look of my bus-mates) take the Royals Express shuttle for $3 from downtown, which features express-lane travel in and out of the park, baby. Points: 3

2. Exterior architecture: Poured concrete is ugly stuff. Period. That said, there's a subtle, somehow pleasing, slung-back sleekness about Kauffman. It's grey, it's material is charmless, but I'm telling you, there's something smooth and unassuming about its lines. 3.5

3. Ticket price/availability/location: Some of the best prices in the bigs -- $5 for the upper corners and $21 for the dugout boxes -- and no real bad seats. But these days, with the Royals and their fans sitting giddy and pretty atop the AL Central, you better come early if you want to get in. 5

4. Interior architecture: I like the deep-blue seats in curved rows that cozy up to the field. I like the absence of bleachers and the 40-thousand smallness of the room. I like white-column light stands, open space, small foul territories, a grass landing area beneath the scoreboard, and (though it's out-of-step with the funk of the new old-school parks) I like symmetry. But you know what I love? I love waterfalls. And fountains. Love 'em. Love the crisp, splashy look of 'em. Love the cool, soothing sound of 'em. Love 'em. 5

5. Seat comfort: I didn't sit much. Got there two-and-a-half hours before game time and scored one of the very last standing-room-only tickets. When I did sit, when somebody made a quick run for beer or the john, the seats were very (very, very, rest-for-my-weary-bones) comfortable and pitch-perfect. The standing areas, by the way, were also good: lower-level concourse from foul pole to foul pole; excellent sight lines all the way. 5

6. Scoreboard: It's simple, it's distinctive, it's a giant white and gold crown. I've seen flashier ones but I haven't seen any I like better. 5

7. Quality of the public address system: Strong sound, with sort of a countrified classic rock thing most of the night: Lyle Lovett into Don Henley into the Stones into Motley Crue and back around to Willie Nelson. The highlights (and the thing they ought to do a lot more of because this is, after all, Kansas City, the home of Lester Young) are the jazzy riffs by the house organist. 4

8. Quality of hot dogs: They know about meat in the Midwest. (Meat and pie, actually … meat and pie in large quantities; but alas, I didn't find any pie at the park, so this is just a story about meat.) They know about bargains, too: regular dogs and the special Polish are both about four bucks. Not as much variety as I would have liked, but otherwise very good. 4

9. Quality/selection of other concession-stand fare: Pretty standard -- pizza, bar-b-q, nachos, cheese steaks, etc. -- and affordable. Nothing fancy. Try the funnel cake, though. And don't worry -- that sickening, sweet, logy feeling you have in your gut, that's the way you're supposed to feel. 3

10. Signature concession item: The best bar-b-q pork sandwich I've ever had at a ballpark was at Class AAA Des Moines in Iowa. The longest line I've ever waited in for food was at Class AAA Albuquerque in New Mexico. On this night in Kansas City, Missouri, I set new standards in both categories: 22 pre-game minutes and 9 delirious bites. 4.5

11. Beer: You can drink Miller Light for five and a quarter. You can also drink a Boulevard Pale Ale for five and a quarter. That's the good kind of parity. It's not the good kind of variety, but it's the good kind of parity. 4

12. Bathrooms: Simple cinder-block construction painted blue like the stadium seats (which is thematic, but maybe too thematic). Clean, but getting old. 3

13. Fun stuff to do besides the game: There's a play structure for the little ones, a speed-pitch, and a real-grass miniature Kauffman field (the "Little K") out behind right field with kids lined up to take their cuts. Like the scoreboard, like the whole Kauffman thing, no bells and whistles, just straight-ahead, wholesome baseball goodness. 4

14. Price/selection of baseball souvenirs: I've seen a lot of souvenirs on this tour, and haven't been tempted by much. But I wanted one of these "Believe" shirts with the Tony Peña "Nosotros Creemos" quote something fierce. 4

15. Friendliness and helpfulness of usher staff: Like everyone else in the park, they're into this Royals revival thing. They chat you up, they slap your back, and they look the other way when you make like a seat-filler at the Oscars and take a load off while a seat-holder gets in line for bar-b-q. 5

16. Trading-up factor: It's not happening right now, because nobody's leaving. But you know it's been easy in the past. So, we'll award one point for relaxed attitude of the ushers and two more for the welcoming way us SRO folks can move in close for good looks at the field. 3

17. Knowledge of local fans: Two hours before first pitch hundreds of folks came sprinting -- not hurrying, not scurrying, not scrambling and not rambling, but sprinting, sprinting so fast Derek Jeter called out from the infield for them to slow down -- down the aisles for autographs, and close-up looks at the field and the players. Forget knowledge, that's hunger. 5

18. Seventh-inning stretch: Who's behind this "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" thing? I mean originally. Who started this thing? Can we find this person? Can we beat on 'em with an ugly stick for a while? Can we damn them to sing-along hell? Does anybody know? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? O.K., 2 points because this crowd was so juiced they were singing out loud and strong like they were trying out for "A Chorus Line." And 1 more because maybe I've been on the road a little too much and maybe I'm starting to get a little jaded and maybe, if I could just let my inner child out to play, I'd see that "Take Me Out" is actually a delightful tradition and an important touchstone moment that unites us, whoever and wherever we may be. So . . . 3

19. Pre-and-postgame bar-and-restaurant scene: Now that the boys in blue are winning, there's a little bit of a tailgate scene in the parking lot. Otherwise, the Denny's up on the highway is about as hopping as it gets. 1

20. Wild Card: Yeah, I was influenced by the charms of the night sky. Yeah, I was affected by the heat and pulse of the crowd. And yeah, a good game makes a man love the park he's sitting in. But even if the place were boneyard empty, as it's been for much of the past 20 years, and even if I were sweating out a meaningless game on a muggy afternoon, I would still say this about Kauffman: It's beautiful, man. 10

TOTAL SCORE FOR KAUFFMAN STADIUM: 84

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ENDelt260 · Aug 19, 2003

Sea of red helps Busch grade
By Jeff Merron
Page 2 staff

Editor's Note: This is the 21st report card in Page 2's summerlong series rating all 30 ballparks in Major League Baseball.

"Sure holds the heat well."

-- Casey Stengel on Busch Stadium, 1966

ST. LOUIS -- Cardinals fans love Busch Stadium almost as much as they love the Redbirds, which is good, because that means they come out to the old ballgame in droves. Yes, the fans themselves make Busch a terrific place to see a game, much more than the structure itself. Go to a game in Saint Louis, and you'll see more folks decked out in the team colors than just about any other stadium in the country. They wear McGwire shirts and Pujols jerseys, and rich red Cards T-shirts that amplify the intensity of the red seats.

And these aren't fantasy fans, or displaced fans. They're here to cheer their team. Look in the Cards souvenir shop, and you'll see -- unlike other ballparks -- almost no memorabilia featuring other teams' players or logos. It makes sense that those items wouldn't sell well in the heartland, where diehards come by bus from hundreds of miles away to see what is, for many in the Midwest, the hometown team.

A new ballpark is slated to open for the 2006 season right next to Busch, along with a five-block area called "Ballpark Village." It'll have all the modern amenities. Let's hope it keeps some of that old Busch fan vibe.

The ratings:

1. Seat comfort: I abandoned my original upper-upper deck seat after the first, and played Goldilocks to get close to the action. I never did find a seat that was just right, though -- three of the four seats I found open had slight downward slopes. Reminded me of the old $1 movie theaters. Cupholders only for the field-level riche. Excellent sight lines, though. Points: 2.5

2. Quality of hot dogs: "They're OK. They're not as good as Wrigley's," said one fan, as he scarfed down a couple, sticking close to the stand ready to order a few more. 4

3. Quality/selection of other concession-stand fare: Scores and scores of concession stands, and the same stuff at almost all of them -- standard ballpark fare, if you still live in the 1970s. There's a Hardees, and one Edy's ice cream stand, and a couple of places to get pizza, but to find anything but the usual, you really have to look. That said, my slice of pizza was excellent, and $3 for a large portion of Edy's ice cream was a real bargain. And I was able to find a Shalfly's, the local microbrew. But it wasn't easy. 2

4. Signature concession item: Bud, Bud Light, Busch and salty snacks. Can you blame them? 2

5. Beer: If ever a ballpark called for a beer tap at every seat (they could pipe it in and price it by the gallon, like at a gas station), Busch is it. 3

6. Bathrooms: Lines, lines, everywhere, but they weren¹t terribly long, the facilities were clean enough, and it was a sellout. 4

7. Scoreboard: The two big scoreboards in left and right feature 3/4 advertising, 1/4 content -- perhaps the worst ratio in the Bigs. The one video board was relatively small and not visible from my upper deck seat; it's situated low, making viewing difficult from many different angles.

Full line scores are provided for all out of town games, on old-fashioned hand-operated boards, which is terrific. 3.5

8. Quality of public address system: P.A. announcements come through loud and clear, but anything related to video playing on the scoreboard or music is almost indecipherable. 2

9. Fun stuff to do besides the game: Cards management knows St. Louis fans don't want distractions after the National Anthem is played. A pregame concert in the picnic area, postgame fireworks, a couple of kiddie diversions, and a place where you can order and watch your own bat being made by Rawlings suffice. This is serious baseball territory. 4

10. Price/selection of baseball souvenirs: Kudos to the Cards for offering many reasonably-priced items. You can get four Cardinals' logo coasters for $10, a luggage tag for $6.50, a shot glass for $6.50, and, of course, a Cardinal Red ladies thong for $9.29. I guess those are for the guys who really have to think baseball on their way to home plate. What's next -- Nuke Laloosh garter belts with the Durham Bulls logo? 5

11. Ticket price/availability: I want to meet the marketing genius who came up with the idea of calling the highest, worst upper deck seats, "Upper Terrace Reserved." It sounds so good, like you're going to a special place on a mountaintop, to be served by butlers. But the words on the ticket don't make the view any better, especially when you're not peering around the right-field foul pole, but over the top, to see the action. Yes, you're a long ways away for $11. 3

12. Exterior architecture: Busch looks great from atop the Gateway Arch, and the smaller arches that ring the top of the stadium are a nice echo of that great landmark. The Stan Musial statue surrounded by a semi-circle of Cards pennant and World Series flags, and other, smaller statues of other Cards greats, adds some luster. 3.5

13. Interior architecture: The deep concession-stand lines during most of the game made passage through the upper concourses difficult. But real turf, Cardinal red seats, and good views of the arch and downtown give the interior a little extra juice. 3

14. Access: Smack dab in dowtown St. Louis, and right at the convergence of multiple Interstates. Plenty of parking garages within a few blocks. It's a downtown snarl postgame. There's also MetroLink, the city's mass transportation system, which stops right at the stadium. 3.5

15. Ushers: "Usher," derived from the Middle English usser, means both doorkeeper and escort. As at most ballparks, those at Busch play both roles -- they escort those who've paid top dollar to the good seats, and keep others out. But they're nice about it. And they'll let you stand near the good seats without a hassle. 5

16. Trading-up factor: When you pay $11 for a ticket, is it legal, technically, to move into a $31 seat? Or is it stealing? Is it ethical? These are the questions I pondered on my four-inning vagabond journey that finally -- score! -- landed a field-level seat. Right about the time Pujols doubled to right to extend his hitting streak to 22 games. Not bad considering the crowd was SRO. 5

17. Knowledge of local fans: They say keeping score is going out of style, but St. Louis has missed that news. About five of my seat-neighbors went at it with pencil and scorecard. Besides which, everyone was talking baseball. Is St. Louis the best baseball town in the country? 5

18. Seventh-inning stretch: Sarah Fisher, the hot IRL driver, sang Take Me Out, accompanied by four kids who sang way out of key. Classic. 5

19. Pre-and-postgame bar-and-restaurant scene: Within a two- or three-block radius of the downtown stadium, you've got some good choices. Pitchers, a smallish sports bar at the Ramada just across from the park, was packed postgame with fans sucking down brews and margaritas. Mike Shannon's steakhouse is a popular place for both eating and drinking. TGI Fridays also saw plenty of action. Oh, there's also riverboat gambling just a few minutes away. 4

20. Wild Card: The fans deserve five bonus points for their sea of red and love of baseball, which enhance the Busch experience. The ballpark gets two bonus points for not only making the Stan the Man monument the place to meet, but also for having a second Stan statue, out there with Red Schoendienst, Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, and all the other immortals. The park speaks history more than you'd expect of the original "cookie cutter" stadium.

And a bonus point for Ernie Hays, who played "Entry of the Gladiator," a circus tune, when the Reds gave up six runs in the first inning of a game in St. Louis last season. That inspired the ire of Cincinnati skipper Bob Boone, who told reporters, "Tell that organist to take his organ monkey and stick it." You gotta love it when the organist is, in a way, the 26th man. 8

TOTAL SCORE FOR BUSCH STADIUM: 78

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TheVille31 · Aug 19, 2003

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Why don;t yall support the Royals...............

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