Why do we create opposition amongst each other and our ideas?

[n9newunsixx5150]

Why do we create opposition amongst each other and our ideas if we know that in God there is no opposition? Why do we fight and struggle when we should all know that harmony is the reality? What is right and wrong, if not just two extremes on the same spectrum? 2 sides to the same coin. ( this question is of course for those spiritually inclined, assuming that we have a better understanding of the divine.)

This question is more or less a rhetorical one. I just want to hear thoughts on the topic.

 

[Talus]

Like you said....2 sides to one coin....Thats the way its gotta be...
If the coin can sit on its side peacfully..im all for that..but when the wind blows...Im gonna fight hard to land face up
get what im sayin?

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I feel you. But, the point I am getting at is a relationship between "opposites" rather than a difference. Opposites are the same only differing in degree. Why must we be at each other's throats when it is all so pointless? Instead of trying to prove others to be wrong we should help each other to grow. We all seem to be fighting for an individual, isolated from the whole, consciousness which does not exist. We're all in it for ourselves when in the end there is no "self" apart from the whole.

 

[Talus]

I see.....Me persoanly..Ill get along with anyone who lets me...Regaurdless of our opposing views...I got better things to do than fight ....like drink beer on sunny beaches with notches
On your tip though....opposites must clash to equalize...Acids and Bases...make salt plus water....Then its all NEUTRAL and gravy...Till some more chemicals get mixed up into the equation and it starts all over again.

 

[Blight]

YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROOVEN INNOCENT..... If i said you were guilty we'd all have to agree under your ideal. WHat if you knew you were innocent and i had said you were guilty, youd have to go along with it. It doesnt make sense to have one side.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

quote: "...opposites must clash.."

Not neccessarily. We created the idea that they do in our minds. There can be no true opposition in an absolute perspective. Here is a great example of us dividing ourselves into opposites; How is it that we seperate humans into different "races" and then have the nerve to wonder why there is so much "racism". To me it is all elementary. When we rid ourselves of the idea of seperate races we will rid ourselves of racism. Also, if you believe in God, then you know that there is no clashing of opposites there. And how can we seperate God from his creation. When one thinks about it, one realizes that seperating things and ideas is merely our way of learning. It is of the discriminating and categorizing mind, as the zen bhuddists say. It isn't wrong, but it is half wise to only see this seperation without seeing the unity behind it all.

 

[Talus]

quote: "...opposites must clash.."

When one thinks about it, one realizes that seperating things and ideas is merely our way of learning. It is of the discriminating and categorizing mind, as the zen bhuddists say. It isn't wrong, but it is half wise to only see this seperation without seeing the unity behind it all.

EXACTLY You cannot have a magnet that does not have both a northern polar attraction...and a southern polar attraction.
Elementry...you take chemistry?
Protons must equal Electrons so that their OPPOSITE charges BALLANCE each other out....

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I agree with you, but the point I am trying to make is the relationship between the opposites. I am not stating that there is only a northern pole and no southern, or vice versa. But, in their attraction to each other there isn't a battle or a disagreement. It is unity......... Unity is my point. Your analogies are further proving that opposites work together not against each other. That is what I mean when I say unity. It isn't one-sidedness. Its both sides in harmony. It goes into the whole Taoist philosophy of yin and yang. Yin and Yang aren't signified to show that everything consists of dual, seperate aspects. It is to show the duality that we percieve is truly a unity because they compliment each other.

 

[Ender]

Yin ain't trying to kill Yang that's why they in harmony. It's like when I say yes and I say no. It's communication.

Good and evil is a whole 'nother story homey. It ain't two sides of the same coin it's two sides to TWO SEPERATE coins, one being good and the other being bad. Don't get it twisted.

It's Yin and his homey Yang against their evil twins. Yin and Yang get along just fine, their evil twins on the other hand, even try and kill each other.


"Fo' life"- 1

"Cuz in the hood real homeys make ya feel good" -Pac

"Those who lack your mentals will always hold ya back" -Sunspot Jones

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

Yin and Yang have evil twins?
Thats a new one. good and evil is, perhaps, an extreme example of the unity of duality. In my mind evil has no true place. It is but an idea which has no basis in absolute fact. God knows of no evil, at least not as we know it. In the way we define evil it has no power equaling God's power. And if we know that God has all the power, then evil, as we think of it, can have no power whatsoever. The point I am making is, Unity. It isn't Yin and Yang versus the evil Yin and Yang. You have just defeated the whole purpose of Yin and Yang. Its purpose is unity, so by implying another set against it is to create another duality. And also, by putting them against each other, you have created a truly seperate duality in your mind which even further defeats the purpose of the I Ching.

 

[Talus]

I hear yah....I would say though...if one side gets out of balance..the other side has to put it back in its place...
Make sense...Seems like we pretty much on the same tip.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

true, and it will balance itself.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

We are. And yes, it will balance itself.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

oops, I didn't think that first message made it through. Disregard

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

I would like to take the time to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread, thank you.

Also, I feel there are some good examples of the reason I started this thread in conversations I've had with 2-0-Sixx in the threads: "Why do you believe in God?" and "Random chance or specific design?". If anyone wishes to look into those it may help to reveal why I started this thread. On "Why do you believe in God?" most of our (2-0-Sixx and I) conversation is within the last 2 or 3 pages. If anyone else has anything to add to this thread I would love to hear it................................WUN

 

[Furio]

YOU ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROOVEN INNOCENT..... If i said you were guilty we'd all have to agree under your ideal. WHat if you knew you were innocent and i had said you were guilty, youd have to go along with it. It doesnt make sense to have one side.

yo but if we all got along then there wouldnt be a trial.

 

[n9newunsixx5150]

good point, Furio.

Blight had misunderstood me because he thought that when I stated the idea of "one" I was trying to say "one side". He, like many of us, (even I at times) made the mistake of taking the half for the whole.