Who's the "Flip-Flop?"

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I've been watching bush over the past week, and I can't tell...is this a "safer America?" Or are we "a nation in danger?" It seems to switch each day. BTW isn't it great that this week, 8/2/04, we get terror alerts stemming from pre-9/11/01 intel.? Pretty interesting...but I'm sure it has nothing to do with the DNC :ermm:.
 
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Bush's many flip-flops:

Education spending promises, carbon dioxide reduction promises, tariffs, environment funding, programs, and cutbacks, workplace safety initiatives, and funding for head start programs.
 
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L Mac-a-docious said:
I've been watching bush over the past week, and I can't tell...is this a "safer America?" Or are we "a nation in danger?" It seems to switch each day. BTW isn't it great that this week, 8/2/04, we get terror alerts stemming from pre-9/11/01 intel.? Pretty interesting...but I'm sure it has nothing to do with the DNC :ermm:.
are you sure they were pre-9/11 intel or was it pre-9/11 intel recently updated and found on the guy they recently caught harddrive in pakistan?????????

next time read the whole story not just the parts you want to hear
 

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bush- doent want to even hear about a 9-11 commision. till it becomes unpoupler to be aginst it. then he flip- flops to champion it.

bush- were goin into iraq for WMD then flip flop to we are here to liberate.

bush- send me to be president cause i can unite the 2 partys to get shit done. now hes a president that scence 2002 has had a majority in the house, senate, pLus hes in the white house. and STILL HASNT PASSED ANYTHING HE CAN RUN ON.

the examples go on forever. bush is a fuckein flip floper.

just like every poliician demo and republican is.
 

tadou

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Because they're simple, and non-specific. And the one person who even attempted to elaborate was speaking some sort of 23rd century, Broken Ass Alien English.
 
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Bush - 2002 promise to promote more global access to agriculture and industry through elimination of farm subsidies and steel tariffs. Bush and the Republican Congress turned around and passed the 2002 Farm Bill, which included 70 billion in farming subsidies. Bush turns around and pushes for raising of steel tariffs, bringing 2 billion in retaliatory tariffs from the EU, after which Bush rescinds on the tariffs issue.

Bush made a campaign promise to triple education spending...when in fact NCLB is millions underfunded, leaving many children behind.

Cut by 80 percent funding for Head Start programs...something he said the exact opposite of during campaigns. But who cares, those minority students in poor areas don't deserve a cent from Uncle Sam...all they need to do is pull themselves up out of their situation!

Bush made a campaign promise to cut carbon monoxide and dioxide emissions, and decrease pollution...He follwed this *whopper* of a promise by

1.appointing Gale "Drill it Deep" Norton, a major skeptic of global warming, widlife preserves, and part of a conservative "think tank" funded by oil companies. Norton has declared the endangered species act unconstitutional and declared the Environmental Protection Act to be under attack. This is a bitch that defended 2 large companies in lawsuits about exposing children to lead paint.

2. appointing Paul "Scandal" O'Neill as Secretary of the Treasury, a guy who worked a loophole into Texas environmental regulations that allowed Alcoa, the company he was CEO of and personal Halliburton, to emit 60,000 tons of sulfur dioxide yearly.

3. Appointed a secretary of Eenrgy, Spencar Abraham, with an envrionmental rating of "zero" according to the Leagur of Conservation voters...lmao.

4. Is currently trying to repeal the Clean Air act, and replace it with one that increases the amounts of pollutants and carinogens factories can spew.

5. Pulled out of Kyoto...the list goes on.

Claimed to support worker Safety during campaigning...in actuality Bush has rolled back more worker safety and workplace standards initiatives than any other president. Good thing too, because those TRIAL LAWYERS are always suing hardworking, caring CEOs and Big Companies who only care about the good of the common person.
 

tadou

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Umm.....you're missing the whole first half of all those things, friend.

What promises to cut Carbon Monoxide? What education promises? Where are your quotes?

Here's an example:

(paraphrased) "I own SUVs"...."I don't own SUVs"...."My family owns SUVs" --- John Kerry
 

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1. Bush Flip-Flops on Independent 9/11 Commission
Bush Flip: Initially Opposed to Independent 9/11 Commission
Bush opposed an independent inquiry into 9/11, arguing it would duplicate a probe conducted by Congress. In July 2002, his administration issued a "statement of policy" that read "...the Administration would oppose an amendment that would create a new commission to conduct a similar review [to Congress's investigation]." [Statement of Administration Policy, Executive Office of the President, 7/24/02; LA Times, 11/28/02]

Bush Flop: Bush Relented and Appointed Independent Commission
President Bush finally agreed to support an independent investigation into the 9/11 attacks after "the congressional committees unearthed more and more examples of intelligence lapses, the administration reversed its stance." [Los Angeles Times, 11/28/02]

2. Bush Flip-Flops on Independent WMD Commission
Bush Flip: Refuses to Call for Independent Bipartisan Commission on Weapons of Mass Destruction
"President Bush said on January 30, 2004, 'I want to know the facts' about any intelligence failures concerning Saddam Hussein's alleged cache of forbidden weapons but he declined to endorse calls for an independent investigation." [AP, 1/30/04]

Bush Flop: Bush Appoints WMD Investigation Commission
President Bush named a nine-member bipartisan commission to investigate U.S. intelligence-gathering capabilities in February 2004. The AP noted, "Bush had initially opposed a commission, but agreed to do so as calls grew from Republican lawmakers as well as Democrats." The Los Angeles Times reported, "The White House opposed that panel initially, then backed down under pressure, and some say administration officials now regret doing so because the administration has become locked in a series of embarrassing battles with the Sept. 11 commission." The New York Times noted Bush "gave the panel until March 2005, well after the November elections, to submit its conclusions." [NY Times, 2/7/04; LA Times, 2/1/04; AP, 2/6/04]

3. Bush Flip-Flops on Time He'll Spend With 9/11 Commission
Bush Flip: Would Meet For Only One Hour With 9/11 Commission
McClellan: Obviously, as part of this, the President will be meeting with the chairman and vice chairman at some point in the near future. We are still working on the exact time of that meeting. We have discussed with the commission what we believe is a reasonable period of time to provide the chairman and vice chairman with answers to all of their questions.
Q: Is that the one-hour time frame?
McClellan: That's what I'm referring to. [WH Press Briefing, 3/9/04]

Bush Flop: White House Says No Time Limit on President's Testimony
"President George W. Bush will privately answer all questions raised by the federal commission investigating the September 11 attacks, the White House said, suggesting that Bush might allow the interview to extend beyond the one-hour limit originally offered to the panel by the White House. 'He's going to answer all the questions they want to raise,' said the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, whose remarks suggested that the White House was softening its negotiating stance toward the bipartisan commission. 'Nobody's watching the clock.'" [WH Press Briefing, 3/9/04; International Herald Tribune, 3/11/04]

4. Bush Flip-Flops On Calling For A U.N. Vote On Iraq War
Bush Flip: U.S. Will Seek U.N. Vote For War With Iraq
Bush: ...yes, we'll call for a vote.
Question: No matter what?
Bush: No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam. [Bush News Conference, 3/6/03, emphasis added]

Bush Flop: Bush Attacked Iraq Without U.N. Vote
Bush "failed to win explicit [security] council approval for the use of force" in Iraq. Two days before bombs began to fall in Iraq, the Bush administration withdrew its resolution from the UN Security Council that would have authorized military force. Bush abandoned his call for a vote after it became clear that the US could muster only four votes in support of force. [Washington Post, 3/21/03; Los Angeles Times, 3/18/03]

5. Bush Flip-Flops on Department Of Homeland Security
Bush Flip: Bush Thought Homeland Security Cabinet Position Was "Just Not Necessary"
In October 2001, White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said Bush opposed creating Office of Homeland Security position for Ridge. "[T]he president has suggested to members of Congress that they do not need to make this a statutory post, that he [Ridge] does not need Cabinet rank, for example, there does not need to be a Cabinet-level Office of Homeland Security is because there is such overlap among the various agencies, because every agency of the government has security concerns," Fleischer said. [White House Press Briefing, 10/24/01]

Bush Flop: Bush Decides to Support Homeland Security
The New York Times reported, "Bush initially resisted Democratic proposals for a Cabinet-level agency. But once he endorsed it, the president pushed Congress for fast action as it debated such issues as whistle-blower protections, concerns over civil liberties and collective bargaining for department employees."

In remarks to Homeland Security Department employees, Bush claimed credit for supporting the Department: "In just 12 months, under the leadership of your President...you faced the challenges standing up this new Department and you get a -- and a gold star for a job well done." [New York Times, 2/28/03; Bush Remarks at One-Year Anniversary of DHS, 3/2/04]

6. Bush Flip-Flops on Gay Marriage
Bush Flip: It's Up to the States to Decide
In a 2000 presidential primary debate, candidate George W. Bush said gay marriage was a state's issue, saying, "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into." [Presidential Primary Debate, 2/15/00]

Bush Flop: Bush Supports Constitutional Amendment That Restricts States' Rights
Bush: "If we are to prevent the meaning of marriage from being changed forever, our nation must enact a constitutional amendment to protect marriage in America. Decisive and democratic action is needed, because attempts to redefine marriage in a single state or city could have serious consequences throughout the country." [Bush, 2/24/04]

7. Bush Flip-Flops on Using Military For Nation Building
Bush Flip: Bush Promised Not to Use Military for Nation Building
In a campaign rally in Tennessee, then-Presidential candidate Bush criticized the Clinton administration for using the military in nation-building missions. Bush said, "I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation-building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place." [Governor George W. Bush, 11/6/00]

Bush Flop: President Used Military for Nation Building in Afghanistan and Iraq
After the removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, Bush met with soldiers stationed in Afghanistan at the White House and thanked them for their nation building efforts. A senior administration official said, "The administration, with its international partners, is doing something akin to nation-building." The plans for a post war Iraq also included nation building measures and, according to the Baltimore Sun, "Secretary of State Colin L. Powell confirmed...that Bush was considering, among other options, installing a U.S.-led occupation government if Hussein's regime is removed." [Baltimore Sun, 10/19/02]

8. Bush Flip-Flops on Hybrid Automobiles
Bush Flip: Bush Mocked Gore's Tax Credit for Hybrid Cars
"'How many of you own hybrid electric gasoline engine vehicles? If you look under there, you'll see that's one of the criteria necessary to receive tax relief. So when he talks about targeted tax relief that's pretty darn targeted,' Bush told the Arlington Heights rally, drawing laughs." [Chicago Sun-Times, 10/29/00]

Bush Flop: Bush Supported Investing in Hybrid Cars
In his State of the Union speech, Bush said, "Tonight I am proposing $1.2 billion in research funding so that America can lead the world in developing clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles. ... Join me in this important innovation, to make our air significantly cleaner, and our country much less dependent on foreign sources of energy." [White House, "President Delivers 'State of the Union,'" 1/28/03]
 

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9. Bush Flip-Flops on Assault Weapons Ban
Bush Flip: Bush Supports Extending Assault Weapons Ban
Ashcroft: "It is my understanding that the president-elect of the United States has indicated his clear support for extending the assault weapons ban, and I will be pleased to move forward with that position." [Confirmation Hearing, Senate Judiciary Committee, 1/17/01]

Bush Flop: Bush Opposes Extension of Assault Weapons Ban
"The White House is opposing addition of gun show and assault weapons restrictions to a bill shielding firearms makers and dealers from lawsuits, prompting angry complaints from Democrats that President Bush is reneging on earlier support for the two proposals...In a statement [on February 24, 2004], the White House urged passage of the lawsuits measure without amendments that might delay its enactment. 'Any amendment that would delay enactment of the bill beyond this year is unacceptable,' the statement said. Democrats interpreted this as an effort to undermine support for the gun-control measures. 'For the president to say he is for the assault weapons ban but then act against it is a flip-flop if there ever was one,' said Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), one of several sponsors of the assault weapons proposal in the Senate." [Washington Post, 2/26/04]

10. Bush Flip-Flops on Steel Tariffs
Bush Flip: Bush Imposes Steel Tariffs
"President Bush on [March 5, 2002] slapped punishing tariffs of 8% to 30% on several types of imported steel in an effort to help the ailing U.S. industry, drawing criticism from American allies and mixed reviews at home. 'An integral part of our commitment to free trade is our commitment to enforcing trade laws to make sure that America's industries and workers compete on a level playing field,' Bush said in a statement issued by the White House." [USA Today, 3/5/02]

Bush Flop: Bush Rescinds Steel Tariffs
"Facing a potential global trade war, President Bush on [December 4, 2003] lifted tariffs he imposed on foreign steel 21 months ago, declaring the U.S. steel industry healthy and ready to compete despite the industry's claim that it needs more time to recover." [Chicago Tribune, 12/5/03]
 
Jan 21, 2004
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LOL...TADOU PEOPLE ALWAYS POST UP ARTICLES AND FACTS N SUCH TO BACC UP THIER CLAIMS BUT ALL YOU GOT IS YOUR OPINION AND THAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO WIN IN YOUR EYES HUH????
 
Jan 21, 2004
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tadou said:
This is the internet.....there is no winning and losing. This is all one big dog and pony show.

THAS JUS YOUR REPLY CUZ YOU HAVE NO REAL ARGUMENT HERE.....BUT THE SECOND YOU BELEIVE YOU HAVE A PEICE OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE YOUR WIERD OPINIONS ARE TRUE YOULL BE POSTIN IT UP FOR ALL TO SEE.....IF THIS IS JUS A DOG N PONY SHOW THEN WHY DO YOU EVEN READ ANY OF THIS OR POST ALONG WITH US?????
 

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Bush can tell us everything he wants to do, but it's on us to make it happen. Carbon monoxide reduction... hey, somebody gonna lose money people mad. Education promises... hey, teachers need more money people mad. Get shit done... hey, you need to stay in office need happy people. You see the dilema here? You whinyass bastards.

"Me, me, me fuck everybody else cuz it's their mothafuckin fault anyway, right?", said thousands of lazyass selfish Americans. But if we all helped each other out and didn't take advantage of one another it'd be a perfect world. So simple yet for some reason so mothafuckin complicated.

People bitch and moan about no war for oil but yet would stab their fellow coworker dead in the back if they had the chance to get their hands on their money. And now we blame our leaders for doing the same shit we do everyday. Lie cheat and steal to take care of your family and then tell your kids not to do that shit when they grow up and never tell them what you really do to put food on the table cuz well you'd look like a hypocrite and an asshole at the same time and you got to raise them little babies better, right?

But if they find out the truth you know their gonna hate your ass. But you wanna look out after them so bad and you don't want them to know how shitty the world is so your paternal instinct is to shield them the only way you know how. Lie and shelter them from everybody as much as you can in your little safe shell happy world and hope all the bad things just go away or get solved by somebody else. Know I don't want to say that's pussy shit but hey, somebody's got to.

The American people are the President's children. And we're all spoiled little whinyass brats who won't fight for shit and who don't believe in shit.

The Truth hurts. Time to Sav the fuck up. Cuz the Truth will also set you free.

Find it. Seek it. And don't be afraid to speak it or face it.

If you won't Die for nothin, then you Love nothin.


"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your family." - John F. Daddy
 
Jan 21, 2004
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I AGREE THOUGH....I ALWAYS SAID IF I HAD A KID ID TEACH EM EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS FUCCED UP WORLD EARLY ON RATHER THAN THEM HAVIN TO LEARN THE HARD WAY LIKE I DID.....THEYLL HAVE AT LEAST TWICE AS MUCH GAME AS ME AT HALF THE AGE AND DOIN THAT I THINK IS MORE PROTECTION THEN HIDING IT FROM THEM.......